Frag Posted June 24, 2021 Posted June 24, 2021 Hi guys, anyone found a good use to the grenade launcher? Not sure if it is fully implemented but I do not see how this thing could be better in any scenario that the usual rockets. Your thoughts?
BonerCat Posted June 24, 2021 Posted June 24, 2021 They should be good against large infantry groups, and maybe light vehicles, like trucks or missile launchers, and not much else really. For everything else rocket or gun will do just as well if not better 1 1 Modules: F-14, F-15C, F-16C, F/A-18C, M-2000C, A-10C, A-10C II, AV-8B N/A, MiG-29, Su-33, MiG-21 Bis, F-5E, P-51D, Ka-50, Mi-8, Sa 342, UH-1H, Combined Arms Maps and others: Persian Gulf, Syria, Normandy, WWII Assets, NS 430 + Mi-8 NS 430
Avimimus Posted June 24, 2021 Posted June 24, 2021 They seem able to take out infantry, light vehicles, and even armoured cars. You get a lot more ammunition compare to a rocket pod... but it is even harder to use, more vulnerable to side-slip, and shorter ranged.
sublime Posted June 24, 2021 Posted June 24, 2021 Yeah the grenade launchers great for 1 flight of lolz. That's all. 1
Eldur Posted June 24, 2021 Posted June 24, 2021 They'Re basically un-aimable since they even shoot upwards (I actualyl wonder how so). Can't even use the manual range thing since it just doesn't work once those things are selected...
Fri13 Posted June 24, 2021 Posted June 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Eldur said: They'Re basically un-aimable since they even shoot upwards (I actualyl wonder how so). Can't even use the manual range thing since it just doesn't work once those things are selected... It takes time to learn how to use them. Easy way is to use active pause, fly in good optimal case (sideslip, speed etc) and them check how does grenades fly. Adjust sight and take a try to hit something. Them repeat, actice pause for position where wanted to hit something and adjust sight where they land etc. After while you get a touch to their functionality and they became easier to use. They demand patience, as they fall so slowly. And learning their range takes time. But once you are good with them, they become very fun. And yes, I wonder the high angle as well. As to me the barrel looks to point straight forward, and that those would be more of a "high altitude bombing" than "long range smashing". i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S. i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K.
Quadg Posted June 24, 2021 Posted June 24, 2021 like other grenade launchers, they are great for getting people hiding in fortifications. (behind walls, in trenches and fox holes. without top cover) where direct weapons like cannons and rockets would hit the defences. but we don't have extensive fortifications in DCS. So direct weapons tend to be enough. 1 My Rig: AM5 7950X, 32GB DDR5 6000, M2 SSD, EVGA 1080 Superclocked, Warthog Throttle and Stick, MFG Crosswinds, Oculus Rift.
S. Low Posted June 24, 2021 Posted June 24, 2021 Utility? No. Novelty for having something real world simulated? Yes. 1
Avimimus Posted June 25, 2021 Posted June 25, 2021 Well... thanks to the dismissive attitude in this thread (overall) I'll now have to be contrarian and get really good with the grenade launchers 5
stuart666 Posted June 25, 2021 Posted June 25, 2021 From what ive read in the Yefim Gordon book (which is really excellent if you can still find it), the Soviet Air Force didnt reckon much to either the grenade launchers, or the gun pods in Afghanistan. So I think ED probably have modelled this fairly accurately!
Avimimus Posted June 25, 2021 Posted June 25, 2021 Well... I prefer the gun pods to the rocket pods... and I have a Mi-24P with a GSh-2-30 as well (rather than being stuck with the Yak-b turret)...!
Frag Posted June 25, 2021 Author Posted June 25, 2021 20 hours ago, Quadg said: like other grenade launchers, they are great for getting people hiding in fortifications. (behind walls, in trenches and fox holes. without top cover) where direct weapons like cannons and rockets would hit the defences. but we don't have extensive fortifications in DCS. So direct weapons tend to be enough. Oh I can see here why they would use grenades instead of rockets. They would fall thru little street, crack and defenses wall ... not exploding on contact. That would make sense in some scenarios! Not in DCS, but I can understand now how they could be used. 14 hours ago, Avimimus said: Well... thanks to the dismissive attitude in this thread (overall) I'll now have to be contrarian and get really good with the grenade launchers Ahah, I also heard that trying to manually aim the rockets (without the auto aim) is kind of useless as well. GOOD LUCK getting good with that one
Avimimus Posted June 25, 2021 Posted June 25, 2021 Just now, Frag said: Ahah, I also heard that trying to manually aim the rockets (without the auto aim) is kind of useless as well. GOOD LUCK getting good with that one Hmm... one can develop intuitions. I've actually found that switching between the 30mm and the rockets can make it easier to aim the rockets which don't use the automatic ranging sight (since the 30mm cannon has it and one can gauge side-slip etc. quickly with it).
Frag Posted June 25, 2021 Author Posted June 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Avimimus said: Hmm... one can develop intuitions. I've actually found that switching between the 30mm and the rockets can make it easier to aim the rockets which don't use the automatic ranging sight (since the 30mm cannon has it and one can gauge side-slip etc. quickly with it). What !? I did not know about this. Auto aim dont work with rocket?! I did not notice this! Not challenging what you are saying since I just scratched the surface with weapons at this point. But indeed it will be a pain! So you are saying that you are auto aiming with the 30, notice the impact point on your sight, than switch to rocket? They share similar ballistic?
WinterH Posted June 25, 2021 Posted June 25, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Frag said: What !? I did not know about this. Auto aim dont work with rocket?! I did not notice this! I works with S-5 and S-8 rockets. S-13 and S-24 rockets however, are manually aimed, no moving pipper with them. 9 minutes ago, Frag said: So you are saying that you are auto aiming with the 30, notice the impact point on your sight, than switch to rocket? They share similar ballistic? I think Avimimus uses automatic sight for slip/drift correction, as it indicated that quite well. Ballistics of S-5,8,13,and 24 rockets should be somewhat different, at least in longer ranges/shallow angles, and certainly VERY different to 30mm gun. I also like auto sights slip indication capabilities without having to look down on the ball. Edited June 25, 2021 by WinterH Wishlist: F-4E Block 53 +, MiG-27K, Su-17M3 or M4, AH-1F or W circa 80s or early 90s, J35 Draken, Kfir C7, Mirage III/V DCS-Dismounts Script
Avimimus Posted June 25, 2021 Posted June 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Frag said: What !? I did not know about this. Auto aim dont work with rocket?! I did not notice this! Not challenging what you are saying since I just scratched the surface with weapons at this point. But indeed it will be a pain! So you are saying that you are auto aiming with the 30, notice the impact point on your sight, than switch to rocket? They share similar ballistic? For the S-13 and S-24 (which were incompatible with the automatic ranging sight)... sort of. The ballistics aren't similar enough to just use the sight from the cannon. What I'm actually doing is comparing the automatic ranging sight and the fixed sight... and selecting a point in between. It helps me intuit what to do - but firing is still largely instinctual... I have a feeling that doing this - and using the Mi-24 generally - will make me much better with rockets in the Mi-8... one just has to learn how to gauge range and side-slip instinctively!!
Rogue Trooper Posted June 25, 2021 Posted June 25, 2021 (edited) I never carry the grenade launchers. I have tried them, but they just seem to be a waste of a perfectly good weapons pylon. Edited June 25, 2021 by Rogue Trooper HP G2 Reverb (Needs upgrading), Windows 10 VR settings: IPD is 64.5mm, High image quality, G2 reset to 60Hz refresh rate. set to OpenXR, but Open XR tool kit disabled. DCS: Pixel Density 1.0, Forced IPD at 55 (perceived world size), DLSS setting is quality at 1.0. VR Driver system: I9-9900KS 5Ghz CPU. XI Hero motherboard and RTX 3090 graphics card, 64 gigs Ram, No OC... Everything needs upgrading in this system!. Vaicom user and what a superb freebie it is! Virpil Mongoose T50M3 base & Mongoose CM2 Grip (not set for dead stick), Virpil TCS collective with counterbalance kit (woof woof). Virpil Apache Grip (OMG). MFG pedals with damper upgrade. Total controls Apache MPDs set to virtual Reality height. Simshaker Jet Pro vibration seat.. Uses data from DCS not sound... goodbye VRS.
WinterH Posted June 26, 2021 Posted June 26, 2021 (edited) Grenade launchers are just a novelty to try out in DCS. After trying out, one finds that even if you somehow get very close hits to softest targets, they still don't do anything, you laugh, and don't take them up again It's been on Mi-8 forever, basically the same story. Edited June 26, 2021 by WinterH Wishlist: F-4E Block 53 +, MiG-27K, Su-17M3 or M4, AH-1F or W circa 80s or early 90s, J35 Draken, Kfir C7, Mirage III/V DCS-Dismounts Script
Avimimus Posted June 29, 2021 Posted June 29, 2021 On what was essentially my first attempt - I took out 9 vehicles with just two pods... so I should be able to get above 20 vehicles if I carried all four... and that is without practice. I think the trick is to avoid any side-slip and fire at the correct range.
Stratos Posted June 29, 2021 Posted June 29, 2021 On 6/25/2021 at 11:38 AM, stuart666 said: From what ive read in the Yefim Gordon book (which is really excellent if you can still find it), the Soviet Air Force didnt reckon much to either the grenade launchers, or the gun pods in Afghanistan. So I think ED probably have modelled this fairly accurately! Can you specify which book? I don't understand anything in russian except Davai Davai!
Hiob Posted June 29, 2021 Posted June 29, 2021 In theory, they should devastate soft targets and infantry- due to the limitations of DCS, they don't. As for now, rockets are a better choice...and of course gun pods for the brrrt! "Muß ich denn jedes Mal, wenn ich sauge oder saugblase den Schlauchstecker in die Schlauchnut schieben?"
WinterH Posted June 29, 2021 Posted June 29, 2021 On another thread on the same topic there's a test, and effective radius against infantry seems to be fairly accurate actually. So looks like it isn't modeled that far off the reality it's just difficult to be accurate enough, as even at 6+ meters of blast area, we still need some accuracy. Wishlist: F-4E Block 53 +, MiG-27K, Su-17M3 or M4, AH-1F or W circa 80s or early 90s, J35 Draken, Kfir C7, Mirage III/V DCS-Dismounts Script
Avimimus Posted June 29, 2021 Posted June 29, 2021 24 minutes ago, Stratos said: Can you specify which book? I honestly don't trust such opinions unless there are multiple sources. A NATO test pilot says 'The Mi-24 seems to produce slightly less lift in a hover than one flying forward slightly' and the Mi-24 is noted to have landing gear permitting a rolling take-off... and all of a sudden it becomes 'the Hind can't hover'. Someone states the the UPK-23-250 pod is lighter, more reliable, and more powerful than the GUV pod (which suffered numerous gun-jams - no doubt partly mitigated by having three guns per pod) and suddenly everyone is saying that the GUV pod is ineffective... Aircrews say they prefer the 30mm GSh-2-30 and all of a sudden the jam prone Yak-b's 12.7x108 is totally ineffective as a cartridge (and clearly not as effective as the 12.7x99).... etc. etc.
enigma6584 Posted June 29, 2021 Posted June 29, 2021 8 hours ago, Stratos said: Can you specify which book? He's most likely talking about this book. It is indeed very good. https://www.amazon.com/Mil-Mi-24-Hind-Attack-Helicopter/dp/1840372389 1
Quadg Posted June 30, 2021 Posted June 30, 2021 @Avimimus opinions are like arseholes, everybody has one and they all stink... My Rig: AM5 7950X, 32GB DDR5 6000, M2 SSD, EVGA 1080 Superclocked, Warthog Throttle and Stick, MFG Crosswinds, Oculus Rift.
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