CV-59 Forrestal Feedback Thread

[MAXsenna]

7 hours ago, Bowie said:

Not asking them to fix anything but their Own Product, namely the USS Forrestal's slow #3 Cat.

The Point of this entire Thread.

Jeez, I didn't say that. But you must bring proof with official content. Like the S-3B Viking like Draconus did. Then you have a case not with unofficial content. I don't understand why that is so hard. Also, that's why I asked if you have tried with the unoffical community T-45. Because, if that one also have an issue, you have found the problem. There is a problem with mods. 

You're seriously asking who @IronMike is after five years?  

Cheers! 

[speed-of-heat]

8 hours ago, Bowie said:

Did you bother to check the Launch Speeds of those S-3B?

For your, and Heatblur's information, on this now even more well-documented Bug:

Heatblur's USS Forrestal

- 18 kts Way/15 kts Wind at 350°R/32 kts WOD.

- DCS S-3B/fully fueled

Data Point: Weight coming off the main wheels

Cat #1: 126 kts

Cat #3: 116 kts

Cat #2: 126 kts

Cat #4: 126 kts

 

Again, #3 Cat shoots slow.

This is a Heatblur USS Forrestal bug, that manifests itself w/ non-augmented thrust A/C, namely the A-4E-C

 

so close; now add a track and *then* you have a well-documented bug...   However, before you do, try uninstalling the A-4EC mod (preferably all mods) and seeing if the speed differential is replicated... like all mods can and DO have very odd impacts; i have seen the A4E-C mod impact other aircraft AI in campaign missions for example ... so start with a clean install of DCS (do a slow repair/ or uninstall your mods via a mod manager) ... and show the bug on a *track file*...  then and only then do you have a *well-documented* bug with the Forestal... 

Stop talking about the A-4E-C because nobody is listening, to a bug that impacts an unofficial mod (how is this so difficult to understand) show it with a native in game S3B and you have a different proposition, albeit unless the S3 goes for a swim then it is less likely to hit the top of a priority list.

[MAXsenna]

2 hours ago, speed-of-heat said:

Stop talking about the A-4E-C because nobody is listening, to a bug that impacts an unofficial mod (how is this so difficult to understand) show it with a native in game S3B and you have a different proposition, albeit unless the S3 goes for a swim then it is less likely to hit the top of a priority list.

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[Cab]

4 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

You're seriously asking who @IronMike is after five years?

It feels like this is all you need to know about him after reading all this. 

 

Edited 16 hours ago by Cab

[Bowie]

6 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

Jeez, I didn't say that. But you must bring proof with official content. Like the S-3B Viking like Draconus did. Then you have a case not with unofficial content. I don't understand why that is so hard. Also, that's why I asked if you have tried with the unoffical community T-45. Because, if that one also have an issue, you have found the problem. There is a problem with mods. 

You're seriously asking who @IronMike is after five years?  

Cheers! 

Who you are.

In his esoteric attempt to derail this well-documented Heatblur USS Forrestal Bug.

Did he bother to check the Launch Speeds of those S-3B?

For your, and Heatblur's information, on this now even more well-documented Bug:

Heatblur's USS Forrestal

- 18 kts Way/15 kts Wind at 350°R/32 kts WOD.

- DCS S-3B/fully fueled

Data Point: Weight coming off the main wheels

Cat #1: 126 kts

Cat #3: 116 kts

Cat #2: 126 kts

Cat #4: 126 kts

 

Again, #3 Cat shoots slow.

This is a Heatblur USS Forrestal bug, that manifests itself w/ non-augmented thrust A/C, namely the A-4E-C.

And you are?

@IronMike

 

Bowie

Edited 13 hours ago by Bowie

[Bowie]

5 hours ago, speed-of-heat said:

so close; now add a track and *then* you have a well-documented bug...   However, before you do, try uninstalling the A-4EC mod (preferably all mods) and seeing if the speed differential is replicated... like all mods can and DO have very odd impacts; i have seen the A4E-C mod impact other aircraft AI in campaign missions for example ... so start with a clean install of DCS (do a slow repair/ or uninstall your mods via a mod manager) ... and show the bug on a *track file*...  then and only then do you have a *well-documented* bug with the Forestal... 

Stop talking about the A-4E-C because nobody is listening, to a bug that impacts an unofficial mod (how is this so difficult to understand) show it with a native in game S3B and you have a different proposition, albeit unless the S3 goes for a swim then it is less likely to hit the top of a priority list.

Already added a track for the A-4E-C, that shows the same thing.

This is a USS Forrestal #3 Cat Bug.

And the issue is the A-4E-C, regardless of your feelings, because it is the one that goes swimming.

And you are?

 

Bowie

 

[Bowie]

For the Heatblur Rodeo Clowns here - that feel compelled to protect Heatblur from this obvious Bug w/ their USS Forrestal #3 Cat.

18 hours ago, draconus said:

Not true - I tested F-14A, B and Hornet. No issue.

So I tested also loaded S-3B. Still no issue. Sorry, no bug here.

Heatblur's USS Forrestal

- 18 kts Way/15 kts Wind at 350°R/32 kts WOD.

- DCS S-3B Tanker/fully fueled

Data Point: Weight coming off the main wheels

Cat #1: 126 kts

Cat #3: 117 kts

Cat #2: 126 kts

Cat #4: 125 kts

(CV 59) #3 Cat - S-B3 Tanker.trk

 

- DCS F/A-18C Lot 20/fully fueled

Data Point: Weight coming off the main wheels

Cat #1: 146 kts

Cat #3: 139 kts

Cat #2: 146 kts

Cat #4: 146 kts

(CV 59) #3 Cat - FA-18.trk

 

- Heatblur F-14A-135-GR/fully fueled

Data Point: Weight coming off the main wheels

Cat #1: 147 kts

Cat #3: 141 kts

Cat #2: 147 kts

Cat #4: 147 kts

(CV 59) #3 Cat - F-14.trk

 

This is a Heatblur/USS Forrestal #3 Cat Bug.

@IronMike

 

Bowie

Edited 12 hours ago by Bowie

[NineLine]

@Bowie It looks like you have worked hard to collect information on a bug you are seeing, think its better to report in a seperate thread in the bug report section. It will get lost in this thread. Thanks. 

[speed-of-heat]

3 hours ago, Bowie said:

 

And you are?

 

Bowie

 

The guy who taught you how to document a bug… well done

[draconus]

5 hours ago, Bowie said:

For the Heatblur Rodeo Clowns here - that feel compelled to protect Heatblur from this obvious Bug w/ their USS Forrestal #3 Cat.

Heatblur's USS Forrestal

- 18 kts Way/15 kts Wind at 350°R/32 kts WOD.

- DCS S-3B Tanker/fully fueled

Data Point: Weight coming off the main wheels

Cat #1: 126 kts

Cat #3: 117 kts

Cat #2: 126 kts

Cat #4: 125 kts

(CV 59) #3 Cat - S-B3 Tanker.trk 49.72 kB · 1 download

 

- DCS F/A-18C Lot 20/fully fueled

Data Point: Weight coming off the main wheels

Cat #1: 146 kts

Cat #3: 139 kts

Cat #2: 146 kts

Cat #4: 146 kts

(CV 59) #3 Cat - FA-18.trk 52.04 kB · 1 download

 

- Heatblur F-14A-135-GR/fully fueled

Data Point: Weight coming off the main wheels

Cat #1: 147 kts

Cat #3: 141 kts

Cat #2: 147 kts

Cat #4: 147 kts

(CV 59) #3 Cat - F-14.trk 57.5 kB · 1 download

 

This is a Heatblur/USS Forrestal #3 Cat Bug.

@IronMike

 

Bowie

None of these tracks work because they all require A-4 mod.

3 hours ago, speed-of-heat said:

The guy who taught you how to document a bug… well done

Not yet a success.

[draconus]

OK, finally got it. @Bowie was indeed onto something 

In my previous test I didn't use wind and the carrier did not move - logically, to test just the cat shot speed. It didn't show anything unusual. All cats same speed.

But after taking another shot (sic!) with Bowie's settings: carrier speed 18kts into the 15kts wind I was able to confirm the bug on unmodded DCS.

@Silhou Please check the tracks. Cat #3 on CV-59 is indeed slower about 10kts in these conditions - it makes fully loaded S-3B tanker or F-14A AI sink just a bit - but they can manage fine.

CV-59 cat#3 F-14A.miz CV-59 cat#3 S-3B tanker.trk