reported FPS Lost after DCS 2.7.7.14727 patch

[Miro]

27 minutes ago, Lurker said:

Has anyone tried uninstalling ALL mods and doing a slow repair after the update? Maybe something went wrong in the update process itself. Worth a shot, and can't hurt....

 

Yes, tried, also tried delete C Folder DCS.openbeta, nothing helps. It's openbeta, ant things like this patch will happens, i need revert to last build, but cannot find how to do that.

[ShaunX]

10 minutes ago, Miro said:

Yes, tried, also tried delete C Folder DCS.openbeta, nothing helps. It's openbeta, ant things like this patch will happens, i need revert to last build, but cannot find how to do that.

Revert is explained here ..

use..

DCS_Updater.exe update <version.subversion> (so I assume you'd want "DCS_Updater.exe update 2.7.6.13436")

 

 

Edited October 26, 2021 by ShaunX

[Boosterdog]

50 minutes ago, Lurker said:

Has anyone tried uninstalling ALL mods and doing a slow repair after the update? Maybe something went wrong in the update process itself. Worth a shot, and can't hurt....

 

Also done. No difference. 

[Iceviper]

Has anyone tried uninstalling ALL mods and doing a slow repair after the update? Maybe something went wrong in the update process itself. Worth a shot, and can't hurt....

I didn't have any mods in but did do a slow repair along with reinstalling gfx driver and updating windows, clearing caches for gfx driver and the sim etc as some advised but it made no difference. Everything was running OK until the update

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[=37.Sqn= Mjugen]

Did complete uninstall, vanilla version, same loss of FPS

[Limaro]

 

12 hours ago, Lurker said:

 

Are you saying we need to turn ON ground shadows to get MORE performance? I always fly with Terrain Shadows to OFF, since they drastically affect performance in VR. 

Yes, that it is what I am saying. For some reason, shadows are increasing performance. but I can't tell all other conditions. I just saw it because I tried to set the best performance. So i lowered evey setting and the performance was horrible. Worse, than with my normal play settings. Some tests showed that shadows makes it better. See the screenshots below. However:

When I have my normal settings, and I remove the shadows, it does NOT drop so much. So there must be at least a third factor.

I had no time yet to identify other incluences.

(Btw. I corrected my first post in which I assumed the nvidia driver to have big influence)

 

EDIT: I've tried all combinations of Terrain Schadow and normal schadow settings. Best performance for me was having

Shadows: Low
Terrain Shadows: Default -
-> Getting in 25 seconds an average of 80.5 FPS

Any other setting combination, like any of them "Flat" or "none" gives me an average of ~64 FPS. I've tried all of them

EDIT 2: I made a table of the results. Would be very interesting if other can also check this

Edited October 26, 2021 by Limaro

[Enduro14]

Ha you mean the best ground shadow setting is best performance now?  Ha maybe its a good thing will try shortly

 

 

[Miro]

I strongly wish this works, but not for me, terrain shadows flat 45 FPS, and on screenshot terrain shadows default 36 FPS. And I remember with nostalgia that a few days ago I had 60 FPS.

[Enduro14]

same here, flat terrain shadows work much better than default for me

[Limaro]

16 minutes ago, Miro said:

 

I strongly wish this works, but not for me, terrain shadows flat 45 FPS, and on screenshot terrain shadows default 36 FPS. And I remember with nostalgia that a few days ago I had 60 FPS.

That's really strage. Can you post your whole settings, I'd like to try and compare

 

EDIT to your edit: dont set shadow below "low". with flat or off, fps drops.

Edited October 26, 2021 by Limaro

[Miro]

2 minutes ago, Limaro said:

That's really strage. Can you post your whole settings, I'd like to try and compare

My standard settings except for terrain shadows, which i got on flat. Pretty high, but remember that I'm flying on 1080p flatscreen.

[speed-of-heat]

nope, I cant replicate the data 

I get approximately 75FPS with Default shadows and  80 something without shadows

[Limaro]

This is all strange.

I've tried your settings Miro, and can confirm that with this, the FLAT shadows seams to perform best. Totally contradictory to my initial tests with all other settings to lowest possible. I guess there is some unexpected interfering. These are my results with you settings, switching through different shadow settings:

Edited October 26, 2021 by Limaro

[Boosterdog]

31 minutes ago, Miro said:

My standard settings except for terrain shadows, which i got on flat. Pretty high, but remember that I'm flying on 1080p flatscreen.

Ah.........fond memories of the word "high" and sliders that went to the right..........

[LordLobs]

Just installed 2.7.6 Stable on another drive to test against 2.7.7 Open Beta.

Created a mission without moving units, to make sure everything would be at the same spots during all the tests.

 

2.7.6 Stable:

Mi-24P Ramp hot start with MIRRORS ON: 36 FPS

Mi-24P Ramp hot start with MIRRORS OFF: 44-46 FPS

2.7.7 Open Beta:

Mi-24P Ramp hot start with MIRRORS ON: 28-29 FPS

Mi-24P Ramp hot start with MIRRORS OFF: 34-36 FPS

 

Exactly the same graphics/game settings for both versions. Waited at least a minute for the FPS to stabilize!

Specs: GTX 1060 6GB, 32GB 1866Mhz DDR3, Core i5 4670k @4.2ghz

 

 

Edited October 26, 2021 by LordLobs

[Sr.]

The worse thing for me that I've found since the patch is, motion smoothing has NO effect. I'm showing locked at 45fps GPU with 14 ms GPU frametime, but it is a jittery mess now.

 

 

And I can concur, performance dips with shadows OFF.

 

what the hell?

Edited October 26, 2021 by Sr.

[pastranario3]

This is where my tests came, I got tired, the update is totally broken, there is no way that the developers do not realize the problem. I will try to go back to the previous standalone version and obviously I will have to stay away from multiplayer until ED fixes the problem, if it recognizes it and decides to do so.

[Mistic]

Something strange that is happening to me is also the temperatures, my micro reaches 89 degrees and gpu 80 degrees which with no game has done, it is the first time that it reaches those temperatures. With the rest of the games I maintain temperatures according to 60 degrees micro and 65 degrees gpu.

[felipesm]

I'm waiting a fix tomorrow.

[speed-of-heat]

On what basis? Who has committed to that?

[q800]

BigBadNewy. God. I hope it'll bring back normal satisfying in my case 60 fps. Can't wait for Apache.

Edited October 27, 2021 by q800

[Miro]

They bring back fps for sure, or maybye add even more! It's openbeta, best solution is just wait for patch or hotfix, we tested everything we can test. For those who don't want revert to previous build, now is great oportunity to fly some naval sorties over sea, check some tankers, check if they have any problems onboard or so. I personally gave up the idea of going back to the old version in case something still needs to be tested.

Edited October 27, 2021 by Miro

[speed-of-heat]

So Shadows ...after doing some retesting today I can confirm that on my standard VR tests and settings, with a stabilised point of view that when you ask a CPU and GPU to do more work it cost them cycles:

			Frametime in ms		Delta From Baseline
Ver	Test	Baseline	GPU	CPU	GPU	CPU	Changes
2.7.6.13133	82	Test 75	9.52	8.55			Average for Baseline 2.7.6, FSR1.1, Windows 11, Hotfix Shaders
2.7.7.14727	97	Test 82	10.06	8.08	-0.54	0.47	2.7.7, FSR 1.2 Clear Water Shaders, Medium Water, No terrain shadows New baseline
2.7.7.14727	98	Test 97	10.44	8.33	-0.38	-0.25	2.7.7, FSR 1.2 Clear Water Shaders, Medium Water, Flat Terrain Shadows
2.7.7.14727	99	Test 97	10.62	8.71	-0.56	-0.63	2.7.7, FSR 1.2 Clear Water Shaders, Medium Water, Default Terrain Shadows

so as you increase the quality of the shadow from None to Flat  to Default performance decreases.

[Boosterdog]

23 minutes ago, Miro said:

They bring back fps for sure, or maybye add even more! It's openbeta, best solution is just wait for patch or hotfix, we tested everything we can test. For those who don't want revert to previous build, now is great oportunity to fly some naval sorties over sea, check some tankers, check if they have any problems onboard or so. I personally gave up the idea of going back to the old version in case something still needs to be tested.

 

My Hind landings under a beautiful CLEAR Georgian sky have improved greatly..........and will likely continue to do so for several weeks more......

[Boosterdog]

Lets hope actions speak louder than words

Edited October 27, 2021 by Boosterdog