F-15E WIP Update Discussion

[AhSoul]

It's only been 2 months since the start of pre-order, when they said the release would be a 'few' months away. I really don't understand how people are getting so annoyed and upset....

[Jarhead0331]

3 hours ago, DSplayer said:

Because if they were to have any unforeseen delays that effects the release date, the community will once again get mad much like what happened with the pre-order date.

That is ridiculous. If that were the case, they would NEVER announce a date. Otherwise, something unforeseen could always happen and delay it. This clearly is not the case, as they always give notice of the date so people can buy at the pre-order discount.

1 hour ago, AhSoul said:

It's only been 2 months since the start of pre-order, when they said the release would be a 'few' months away. I really don't understand how people are getting so annoyed and upset....

Because in December 2022, they said the release was "imminent". Then, when EA was announced, they said a "few months" away and likely sooner. I'm surprised you're surprised.

[Jackjack171]

3 hours ago, Rex said:

What percentage of the population is clamoring for a study-level F15E?  It's a tiny niche market that the big game developers wouldn't touch with a 100-foot pole.

I'm just grateful as hell that someone has actually gone through the trouble and tedium to make one, and as a software dev myself, could imagine 1,000 last-minute things that could come up and derail a scheduled launch.  It's an incredibly-complex project.

I'm impatient too, and want this thing yesterday, but I'm so grateful that they're even making it, that you would never be able to convince me to criticize them.  RAZBAM does good work, and good work is rarely timely work in software.  I take the slips as an indication that they care about releasing a quality product.  I'm sure they want it released every bit as much as we do, and they are just as, if not more disappointed, when it doesn't happen when scheduled.

Cut them some slack, IMHO, and be happy that it's coming relatively soon .... even if we don't know precisely when.

I mean, I always wanted a Hi-Fi F15, and mulled over my two options:

1) Spend 200,00 man-hours writing the code and creating the images

2) Plunk down $60 and have someone else do it for me

It was a tough decision, but after weighing all sides, I went with #2. 

I don't know how demanding I can reasonably be about it, though.

 

Spot on bro!

[Tenkom]

5 hours ago, Rex said:

Won't it be worse to get it for a week and then have to leave it?  At least this way you won't know what you're missing.  Razbam makes really good stuff, so I'm pretty confident it's going to be an entertaining plane.

 

I could live with that. What would kill me is watching everyone else get to experience the sweetness that is the release while I'm stuck at sea. Although I remember the mirage and the harrier having a few game breaking bugs that took a couple of weeks to sort out so maybe it would be for the best.

I agree Razbam is top tier. Harrier is awesome. I only wish they would have chosen the sea harrier with radar and amraams.

[Fromthedeep]

3 hours ago, Jarhead0331 said:

That is ridiculous. If that were the case, they would NEVER announce a date. Otherwise, something unforeseen could always happen and delay it.

This is exactly what they will do. Razbam CEO confirmed that the date won't be published and the release will be a surprise. He also said it's not coming with the May update.

 

Considering that even according to their own SME, the bombing system and TGP aren't done, they aren't even at a stage where he can make videos of them. 

[YoYo]

1 hour ago, Fromthedeep said:

This is exactly what they will do. Razbam CEO confirmed that the date won't be published and the release will be a surprise. He also said it's not coming with the May update.

No, it isnt the true. ED confirmed that the date will be given. Razbam is developer only, not owner of policy of ED as I know. Of course they can write whatever they want but take big filter for this. It was only an incentive to spend money on a pre-order, nothing more.

Edited May 6, 2023 by YoYo

[Fromthedeep]

26 minutes ago, YoYo said:

No, it isnt the true. ED confirmed that the date will be given. Razbam is developer only, not owner of policy of ED as I know. Of course they can write whatever they want but take big filter for this. It was only an incentive to spend money on a pre-order, nothing more

Where did they confirm it?

[YoYo]

10 minutes ago, Fromthedeep said:

Where did they confirm it?

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In general, there is no need to hurry, therefore, because someday this date will be given before the end of pre order, right? Please confirm it. Thanks.

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Here is what I can confirm 

It was mentioned few times later too that the date of release of EA will be given before the end of pre order. So no one will be surprised. The other thing is that ED, as far as I know, is not testing it yet (which may take a month or more), so... I wouldn't expect it soon. However, Im realistically betting on the holiday period, although I thought it would be May earlier.

[AhSoul]

6 hours ago, Jarhead0331 said:

That is ridiculous. If that were the case, they would NEVER announce a date. Otherwise, something unforeseen could always happen and delay it. This clearly is not the case, as they always give notice of the date so people can buy at the pre-order discount.

Because in December 2022, they said the release was "imminent". Then, when EA was announced, they said a "few months" away and likely sooner. I'm surprised you're surprised.

Not sure you know what 'few' means. It's usually more than 2

They're clearly working on it, the longer they spend on it the better it will be, and I don't think any of us are short of other things to do while we wait.

[IR.Clutch]

Stop worrying gentlemen, the year of the Strike Eagle is 2024!

[AhSoul]

Do people really believe RB want to drag it out? As soon as they release more people will buy their product. They're not thinking 'how can we waste time and annoy people, and make less money'.

It's also not just RB. ED are testing too and I don't believe they'll sign off the release until they are also happy with the level of quality.

I'm as excited for it as everyone else. But it's not something to get upset about.

Edited May 6, 2023 by AhSoul

[giullep]

Calm down folks…the good is in the wait..after the release the hype will over and we will search another new thing to wait

[dave76]

5 minutes ago, giullep said:

Calm down folks…the good is in the wait..after the release the hype will over and we will search another new thing to wait

absolutely, phantom and typhoon already in the list

[Ich Dien]

14 minutes ago, giullep said:

Calm down folks…the good is in the wait..after the release the hype will over and we will search another new thing to wait

Reddit, the forum, discord servers, makes no difference. We're always in the middle of the never-ending cycle of hype. 

[Fromthedeep]

1 hour ago, AhSoul said:

Do people really believe RB want to drag it out? As soon as they release more people will buy their product. They're not thinking 'how can we waste time and annoy people, and make less money'.

 

I think, it depends. It's a very delicate process but hyping people up and making people want it more and more could generate sales, engagement, marketing and hype and therefore make more money in the long run. So holding it out in general could be a good idea, but obviously they don't want to overdo this either.

 

1 hour ago, icebearbear said:

"weeks not months but not in May", I want to know what kind of mental condition they are in to say such words, are they drunk? Or is this just a joke? Or is it because they are stupid?

Ignore everything that their CEO, Prowler says, he's been proven time after time to be a completely unreliable source of information.

[Ignition]

5 hours ago, AhSoul said:

Do people really believe RB want to drag it out? As soon as they release more people will buy their product. They're not thinking 'how can we waste time and annoy people, and make less money'.

It's also not just RB. ED are testing too and I don't believe they'll sign off the release until they are also happy with the level of quality.

I'm as excited for it as everyone else. But it's not something to get upset about.

 

Agree.

I wonder if the level quality for third party will be higher than their level quality for the F-16 release, because that was horrendous. It was almost a plane to fly and nothing more with all the missing features and bugs.

[Rudel_chw]

10 minutes ago, Jackjack171 said:

The attitude displayed here is deplorable. Furthermore, it puts light on immaturity.

 

Just ignore him, it's a coward that created this account two weeks ago only to post insults towards the developer .. lets hope the Moderators can detect what is his true forum account.

[Ich Dien]

2 hours ago, icebearbear said:

And they should do something with my money, right?

 

You've paid for access to the product, when it releases. If you don't like the results, I'd suggest not pre-ordering things anymore. 

[AhSoul]

I'm used to backing boardgames on KS, so a few months between paying and receiving the product is nothing

[dave76]

this tread is becoming like when you wait for your baby .......is she born ....is she born ???????? not yet????? how long?????? :)......patience, she will arrive soon I HOPE

[LorenLuke]

[ARM505]

I have no idea why people pay for a preorder, then get all angry when the thing that never had a release date, where they explicitly state it won't have a release date, doesn't have a release date. It's out when it's out.

Note to your future selves: Don't pay for a preorder, just go back to the game, play, chill, forget about everything that isn't already out. Enjoy what you have. You're not suited to preordering, so don't do it. It's fine, completely understandable. Preordering niche products isn't like preordering from AAA developers (which is crazy stupid, but that's another discussion).

We only preorder to support the niche products. No other reason really. We otherwise gain absolutely nothing, except *maybe* a few dollars off the price. There is no advantage for the impatient to preorder. For those who've been playing this genre for decades, we've seen it before, and we're just happy to have the chance to see such amazing products in our lifetime. Maybe you haven't got that perspective yet, but I grew up in the time when the horizon was just a line on the screen, 48kb of RAM was what you had, and that was the terrain, full stop. If you're vulnerable to all the hype, create a bit of space for yourself so you don't get worked up about this, it's trivial.

[pii]

On 5/5/2023 at 11:42 AM, Tenkom said:

It better still be 2 weeks because I just embarked on a 2 week job at sea. If it launches while I'm at sea I'm going to lose it. 

Unfortunately, the new algorithm is ONE week.

[pii]

On 5/5/2023 at 6:14 PM, DSplayer said:

Because if they were to have any unforeseen delays that effects the release date, the community will once again get mad much like what happened with the pre-order date.

communication is KEY!

[pii]

On 5/6/2023 at 5:35 AM, icebearbear said:

"weeks not months but not in May",

I laughed hard on this one.