reported CCIP line...

[BIGNEWY]

13 minutes ago, Lane said:

Hi big Newy, im in european time, Switzerland Lausanne here, meaning working now so i will need find time tonight for do it.  

No rush, have a good day.

[Japo32]

yes.. this also happens to the F16. Specially when flying low near ridges... it is just like snaping to the slopes of the mountains.

[Lane]

3 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

No rush, have a good day.

I had a bit of time during lunch. So i have do a quick test:  And now it seems fixed. 

Let me dig in. 

•  I had update friday to last Openbeta. ( no idea is something have been changed  in this regard)
• I have reset the campaign 
• Hot start on the deck, the INS is on Nav, Quality 0.5 : OK when launch the mission
• Switch INS to IFA, timer start.
• Waited 2 minutes and take off. (surely not necessary)
• CCIP reticule is aligned correctly, no drift, look totallly ok. Same in Auto.

I will need do further test and save track if i encounter the problem again. I am ofc conscient that the best is just provide track for exclude any user error and report can just make thing more hard to debug.

Edited October 11, 2022 by Lane

[BIGNEWY]

Good to hear, but something else to consider, was the mission pre GPS date of 1996? and could it have been INS drift?

[Lane]

for the mission i recall, honest i dont remember and i have sadly no save the mission in the editor. so i have do some try: one quick mission set at 1989 and 2012 with winds ( 30 knots)

Was dumb from me, my error is just that i was switch the INS from NAV to IFA in 1989 mission.

3 tracks:

in one 1989 i switch to NAV to IFA, not in the second one.  In the 2012 all is ok with IFA allready set.  

tst_CCIP_2012_b .tst_CCIP_1989_b_nav3 .trktktst_CCIP_1989_b_ifa2 .trk

This is only quick test, and with a bad hotas, i was not really search to fly so be indulgent and the margin of error is big.

I will need test the campaign mission for see if it same, but i ask me if it can be just linked to it. I hope it have not bring more confusion that it was allready

Edited October 11, 2022 by Lane

[dorianR666]

On 10/11/2022 at 2:00 PM, BIGNEWY said:

could it have been INS drift?

no matter the drift, the line shouldnt be horizontal like that, so this is a bug.

[BIGNEWY]

On 2/3/2023 at 9:56 PM, dorianR666 said:

no matter the drift, the line shouldnt be horizontal like that, so this is a bug.

Hi, 

do you have any public evidence of when it should be like when the INS is not aligned correctly? 

If so please DM me, so I have something to show to the team

thank you 

[QuiGon]

3 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

Hi, 

do you have any public evidence of when it should be like when the INS is not aligned correctly? 

If so please DM me, so I have something to show to the team

thank you 

This happens even with a correctly aligned INS. It is already reported and well documented here:

 

[BIGNEWY]

this has been reported it seems, posts merged

[daemon1808]

Hi,

Hot start on carrier, IFA for the navigation system all the way and this happens when I get to the target (same if i put it to NAV): The CCIP fall line and cross is always deviated form the vertical. This time is nearly 90º to the right O_O.

What I am doing wrong?

Thanks in advance!

 

 

[razo+r]

Looks like it's a mission without GPS which leads to INS drift and the result is this ancient issue that you see.

Can you confirm that GPS is NOT available for the F-18 in the mission you played?

Edited June 11, 2023 by razo+r

[WildBillKelsoe]

this looks like CADC failure. what was the winds aloft in this mission?

[daemon1808]

1 hour ago, razo+r said:

Looks like it's a mission without GPS which leads to INS drift and the result is this ancient issue that you see.

Can you confirm that GPS is NOT available for the F-18 in the mission you played?

 

ummm, you are right. The mission was intended for the F14 tomcat in 1992 and I changed the player aircraft for the f-18.

BTW, there is some way to avoid the drift?, besides resheduling it for a more recent date I meant

Thanks for the help both of you!!!

[razo+r]

Whoever tagged this as no bug needs to read through the reported bugs again.... 

 

2 minutes ago, daemon1808 said:

ummm, you are right. The mission was intended for the F14 tomcat in 1992 and I changed the player aircraft for the f-18.

BTW, there is some way to avoid the drift?, besides resheduling it for a more recent date I meant

Thanks for the help both of you!!!

You might be able to fix it by doing an INS update manually. But the drift itself cannot be avoided, it can only be corrected over and over again. 

Edited June 11, 2023 by razo+r

[QuiGon]

@BIGNEWY I don't know who added the "improper alignment" tag, but as @razo+r has said: this is not due to improper alignment, but is actually a long standing bug with the Hornet's INS. If GPS is not available the INS will drift (which is correct) and will mess up the CCIP line, even when using AGR (which is a bug).

It's well documented in the following thread (also reported by CBTs) :

 

Edited June 12, 2023 by QuiGon

[bonesvf103]

I had some 83XRT and CBU-99 loaded.  I set up the parameters (CCIP, nose fuze etc etc) but after I did the CCIP bomb drop line in straight and level flight was not vertical straight down.  It was skewed to the left at an angle.  Did something go wrong?  Did I pull too many Gs and mess the sensors up?

v6,

boNes

[razo+r]

Are you by any chance flying in a non-GPS environment or using INS only (INS knob at NAV instead of IFA)? The INS drifting seems to be influencing the CCIP pipper, which is a bug that was reported some time ago.

Edited October 12, 2023 by razo+r

[bonesvf103]

Actually,i think it was.  I have video footage, I'll go back and check.

Thanks for the idea!

v6,

boNes

[razo+r]