reported F-15 NCTR not working against some aircraft

[henshao]

currently in DCS at no range can the F-15 identify an F-18 (in my experience). I believe also the Hind evades NCTR from F-15. I have not checked against every module but these two would be a good place to start investigating this problem. F-15 seems to be able to identify most aircraft from more than 20 miles otherwise

[draconus]

Units F/A-18C Hornet "lot 20" and Mi-24 Hind "P" are not recognised.

NCTR.trk

Edited April 5, 2022 by draconus

[henshao]

ok I think we are supposed to tag @BIGNEWY for this kind of thing

[BIGNEWY]

Hi, 

we have had the team check and they are seeing no issues. 

thanks

[draconus]

1 hour ago, BIGNEWY said:

we have had the team check and they are seeing no issues.

Does it mean the dev version does not show issues or they think it works as it should? I can still run my track at current beta and it shows both units that are not recognised by NCTR system.

[henshao]

1 hour ago, draconus said:

Does it mean the dev version does not show issues or they think it works as it should? I can still run my track at current beta and it shows both units that are not recognised by NCTR system.

yes perhaps we need to include an f-16 and a mig-29 to show how the system works with every other aircraft

[draconus]

10 hours ago, henshao said:

yes perhaps we need to include an f-16 and a mig-29 to show how the system works with every other aircraft

What do you mean? I did not tested these as the targets. Otoh Mig-29 does not have NCTR system and F-16 has not implemented it yet.

@Flappie Can you confirm my track showing the problem?

[Sacarino111]

Hi.

I wasn't very confident on how to use the NCTR system, so I tried a simple mission, and I found quite a few "UKN". 

Here is my ".trk". Haven't tried any further, because I found it was more than enough to prove the point. I would like to see a .trk from @BIGNEWYor someone from ED's Team (no rant, honest) to understand where or what am I doing wrong!

Saludos.

Saca111.

 

F15NCTRTest.trk

[Flappie]

7 hours ago, draconus said:

@Flappie Can you confirm my track showing the problem?

I'm testing them all and will report my findings here.

[Flappie]

Here goes:

• Tornado GR4 is displayed as "T2IDS" (when Tornado IDS is not recognized at all)

And these are never recognized by NCTR:

• AJS-37
• C-101CC
• C-101EB
• F-5E-3 (when the old AI F-5E is correctly identified)
• F-14A-135-GR (when the old F-14A is correctly identified)
• F-14B
• F-16CM bl.50
• F/A-18C Lot 20 (when other variants are correctly identified)
• F-86F
• H-6J
• J-11A
• JF-17
• L-39C
• L-39ZA
• M-2000C
• MiG-15bis
• MiG-19P
• MiG-21bis
• Tornado IDS

Yak-40 and Christen Eagle II are not recognized either, but I guess this is kind of expected. And I assume MQ-1, MQ-9, WingLoong-I, Yak-52 are irrelevant since they don't have a reactor and can be approached without taking too much risk. Is that correct?

F-15C NCTR test.trk

[draconus]

9 hours ago, Flappie said:

Yak-40 and Christen Eagle II are not recognized either, but I guess this is kind of expected. And I assume MQ-1, MQ-9, WingLoong-I, Yak-52 are irrelevant since they don't have a reactor and can be approached without taking too much risk. Is that correct?

Reactor? I don't know - I guess most military aircraft should be recognized and have some radar profile data. Great job, btw.

Here's 10 helicopters track that are not recognized either:

AH-64D_BLK_II

Mi-8MT

Mi-24P

Mi-28N

OH-58D

SA342L

SA342M

SA342Minigun

SA342Mistral

with the exception of UH-1H shwoing as AB212, which might be correct as "Agusta-Bell AB 212 - Civil or military utility transport version. Built under license in Italy by Agusta" is somewhat related.

F-15C NCTR helicopters.trk

Edited April 7, 2022 by draconus

[BIGNEWY]

team have reported. 

thanks

[henshao]

12 hours ago, draconus said:

What do you mean? I did not tested these as the targets. Otoh Mig-29 does not have NCTR system and F-16 has not implemented it yet.

@Flappie Can you confirm my track showing the problem?

I meant test against these it seems someone has already provided exhaustive list

[Sacarino111]

11 hours ago, draconus said:

Reactor? I don't know - I guess most military aircraft should be recognized and have some radar profile data. Great job, btw.

Hi.

If I am not mistaken, the NCTR is based on the radar reflection of the compressor blades. si I guess the hellos should be recognized if faced on (the gas turbine has blades, don't they?) but I don't know about propellers driven planes...

Saludos

Cheers

Saca111

[draconus]

50 minutes ago, Sacarino111 said:

If I am not mistaken, the NCTR is based on the radar reflection of the compressor blades. si I guess the hellos should be recognized if faced on (the gas turbine has blades, don't they?) but I don't know about propellers driven planes...

Propeller or rotor can also be used afaik. As always with FC3 - system is simplified and also:

 

[Sacarino111]

3 hours ago, draconus said:

Propeller or rotor can also be used afaik. As always with FC3 - system is simplified and also:

 

Hi.

Thanks for the answer.

Good to know.

Saludos.

Saca111