need track replay Hind simulated engine power performance in Cypruss

[DmitriKozlowsky]

I am very happy with MI-24P FPS and overall performance in Cypress with Syria map. 120-150FPS 2560X1440 @144hz refresh.

Its the simulated engine that is weird in Cypress. I get low power and generator fail, and resulting inability of Hind to fly. It can't hover, and takes off only at 50 kph or greater. I thought that my start manual start up was faulty. But I get power issue that with empty helicopter 50% fuel and auto start cheat.

Thank you

[BIGNEWY]

please include a short track replay showing the problem and any evidence you have that it is incorrect. 

thank you

[Dragon1-1]

What's your OAT? If it's hot and humid (as it is in Cyprus in the summer, if you've ever been there on vacation you'd know), you'll lose engine performance compared to the standard day. A fully loaded Hind needs a runway for takeoff, sometimes it doesn't even take a full load. In Afghanistan this was a normal way to fly. It was not humid, but it was hot and high altitude means thinner air. 

Also, make sure you've throttled the engines up by rotating the grip. I'm not sure if autostart does that, but at minimum throttle power issues are expected. If you have something on HOTAS bound to the grip throttle, it might be overriding things.

[DmitriKozlowsky]

Standard 20C/68F day.

Edited August 19, 2022 by DmitriKozlowsky

[admiki]

[iFoxRomeo]

On 8/17/2022 at 10:30 AM, DmitriKozlowsky said:

It can't hover, and takes off only at 50 kph or greater

Are you sure both engines are operative?.....

Just provide a short track file. Would be super easy to help you with a track.

[admiki]

3 hours ago, iFoxRomeo said:

Are you sure both engines are operative?.....

Just provide a short track file. Would be super easy to help you with a track.

You didn't follow him much, do you? Every single "bug" he had (and there were many), we asked for tracks and never got one

[DmitriKozlowsky]

15 hours ago, admiki said:

You didn't follow him much, do you? Every single "bug" he had (and there were many), we asked for tracks and never got one

Dude! Its a hobby, not a job or lifestyle. I report my experience. Then I try to work through it. If I can't solve it, then I post. From experience. If problem occurs to others, someone may post a solution. Of not. Then I post. Its not a bug, and I said so. Its weird power issue, that I am experiencing.  

[Art-J]

^ The problem is your descriptions are always too vague in the context of what you're experiencing and thus pretty useless. Thus, even the people who genuinely want to help you cannot do it, because there's just not enough information. Are you starting these threads to talk with yourself or to actually look for advice?

Short replay track with only auto-start and takeoff/hover attempt would immediately tell if the issue is caused by some bug, or piloting error, or the way the mission is set up (ie. loadout, weather conditons etc.).

[Flappie]

@DmitriKozlowsky You need a reliable answer.

For us to give you a reliable answer, we need you to click "Save track" when experiencing your engine issue.

Why? Because a track includes:

• The mission you flew (exact location, weather, time of day, programmed failures...)
• The track data (what you did in the helicopter).

Tracks have another great value: one can take back the flight controls, and try different things.

Reading your first post, the first thing that comes into my mind is: programmed failure. But I can't be sure about that unless you post your track (or at the very least, your mission).

Edited August 20, 2022 by Flappie

[admiki]

I'll reiterate

[unknown]

6 hours ago, DmitriKozlowsky said:

Dude! Its a hobby, not a job or lifestyle. I report my experience. Then I try to work through it. If I can't solve it, then I post. From experience. If problem occurs to others, someone may post a solution. Of not. Then I post. Its not a bug, and I said so. Its weird power issue, that I am experiencing.  

So why exactly did you open this thread in the bugs section of the Mi-24 then?

Why did your OP leave a lot to be desired, as always?

And why do you keep doing this exact same thing after years, countless modules and many people telling you every time to please post a short track(granted they don't alway work) and more information, always. It gets tiring, especially if you keep going, calling things bugs/nobody would implement a feature xyz that way in RL despite the fact the RL manual and RL pilots told you it works exactly that way in RL....in other forums you would have already been labeled a troll.

I'll put you on my ignore list, it's not even entertaining anymore, you are free to do the same thing with me.  

 

[DmitriKozlowsky]

Section is called Bugs & Problems. Not just Bugs.

[DmitriKozlowsky]

17 hours ago, unknown said:

So why exactly did you open this thread in the bugs section of the Mi-24 then?

Why did your OP leave a lot to be desired, as always?

And why do you keep doing this exact same thing after years, countless modules and many people telling you every time to please post a short track(granted they don't alway work) and more information, always. It gets tiring, especially if you keep going, calling things bugs/nobody would implement a feature xyz that way in RL despite the fact the RL manual and RL pilots told you it works exactly that way in RL....in other forums you would have already been labeled a troll.

I'll put you on my ignore list, it's not even entertaining anymore, you are free to do the same thing with me.  

 

OK. As long as you stop the drama.

[cow_art]

On 8/17/2022 at 10:30 AM, DmitriKozlowsky said:

I am very happy with MI-24P FPS and overall performance in Cypress with Syria map. 120-150FPS 2560X1440 @144hz refresh.

Its the simulated engine that is weird in Cypress. I get low power and generator fail, and resulting inability of Hind to fly. It can't hover, and takes off only at 50 kph or greater. I thought that my start manual start up was faulty. But I get power issue that with empty helicopter 50% fuel and auto start cheat.

Thank you

Do you experience the same problem when you configure a hot start in the mission editor? 

(Also: power gen fail often happens when you raise the collective too quickly. Perhaps being more gentle helps? )

[AeriaGloria]

Manual says to move collective 1 degree per second. Engines take 8 seconds to rev up, and sometimes you will need to raise collective quite a bit to make engines rev up becuase the governor wont tell the engines to go out of idle until RPM is below 95%. 

[DmitriKozlowsky]

13 hours ago, cow_art said:

Do you experience the same problem when you configure a hot start in the mission editor? 

(Also: power gen fail often happens when you raise the collective too quickly. Perhaps being more gentle helps? )

Yes. Thats what weird. I dont have this issue in Incirlik or few mainland Syria bases I tried. Nor do I have it in any other map. Just on Cypress. At lowland fields. Could be that on Cypruss, I do have to collective a lot slower in Hind.

[DmitriKozlowsky]

13 hours ago, AeriaGloria said:

Manual says to move collective 1 degree per second. Engines take 8 seconds to rev up, and sometimes you will need to raise collective quite a bit to make engines rev up becuase the governor wont tell the engines to go out of idle until RPM is below 95%. 

Good point!

[MAXsenna]

But you still seems to be unvilling to post the mission/track to have people solve it for you. Why?  

[DmitriKozlowsky]

11 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

But you still seems to be unvilling to post the mission/track to have people solve it for you. Why?  

Let it go.

[ZipLine9]

Why let it go? Before you come here to complain, read the manual(s) for your appropriate modules, and as requested many times, provide track files. You do that, and people in this community will help you, and perhaps see you in a different light.

[cow_art]

Ok for the sake of argument I just tested that. Hot Start in Cyprus. Helicopter at 100% weight. 25 degrees Celsius. I pick her up, hover a bit, fly a few 100 meters around on the parking lot and put her back down. No problem at all. Track attached.

M24_Cyprus_Test.trk

Edited August 28, 2022 by cow_art