see mini-updates FCR and AGM-114L radar-guided hellfire

[Sryan]

Good day to all.

 

On reddit, I saw that @BIGNEWYstated that the FCR is planned. This makes me wonder if it is also within the realm of possibility that we will get the radar guided variant of the Hellfire, the AGM-114L.

[vigilante87]

Wouldn't see why not, it was designed to work with the FCR. It'll probably be post-EA though

[Sryan]

Thanks for the reply. I also wouldn't see why not other than the relatively unique guidance principle for an ATGM. Late during or after early access would be totally fine to me, as long as it would be coming.

[evanf117]

On 2/27/2021 at 8:20 AM, Sryan said:

Good day to all.

 

On reddit, I saw that @BIGNEWYstated that the FCR is planned. This makes me wonder if it is also within the realm of possibility that we will get the radar guided variant of the Hellfire, the AGM-114L.

i heard it was coming after EA
also hear is a little somthing

 

[DN308]

Simple question:

when do we will have the next update, with the FCR and the radar hellfire and 8km range?

[dedlike.]

haha, when the apache came out i was hoping this year, but my asumption is mid-end next year, the FCR is a huge undertaking afterall, alot of other systems have to work together with it aswell TADS, TSD etc...

 

2 weeks

[Dangerzone]

I highly doubt you'll get an official answer here. However I think dedlike's timeframe is realistic. I'd be thinking late 2023. 

[llOPPOTATOll]

Not for a long time, there’s a lot more stuff that’s higher priority than the FCR and RF hellfire

[DN308]

Yeah… 2 weeks as I expect…

The FCR combined with datalink and the RF Hellfire is a must.

we need it so hard as a game changer. That’s why the Apache is born

[pii]

On 8/18/2022 at 3:05 PM, DN308 said:

Yeah… 2 weeks as I expect…

I don't think you read the replies correctly

[DN308]

5 hours ago, pii said:

I don't think you read the replies correctly

Oh yes, I’ve read correctly. Was just ironic 

[DN308]

Seems like the mini update took into account that thread.

thanks a lot for that

[oscar19681]

Hey gents what’s up. I was wondering if there is any news on the radar upgrade in the foreseeable future?

[McGraw]

We've heard nothing about anything worthwhile for a long time. Last mini update was of no interest to me and was September. 

Performance has regressed. I fired it up only to test my 7700x Vs my 4790. Everything else I tried from RDR2 to MSFS brought a smile to my face. This module feels awful even knocked back to 1080p to lock 60fps.

Getting frustrated now.

[giullep]

No video no info no updates from september…… we need any info

[Rongor]

On 12/1/2022 at 6:05 AM, giullep said:

we need any info

What for?

We don't.

[Dagobert666]

Speaking of info.
Anyone know a good source on the Longbow Radar?

That's NOT going to work with the Doppler effect, is it? I once saw an old commercial that it can uncover and even identify vehicles (even stationary ones) in seconds. What technique does it use to distinguish between a large boulder/Rock and a jeep? What range does it have? I would like to have answered such questions.

[Scaley]

53 minutes ago, Dagobert666 said:

Speaking of info.
Anyone know a good source on the Longbow Radar?

That's NOT going to work with the Doppler effect, is it? I once saw an old commercial that it can uncover and even identify vehicles (even stationary ones) in seconds. What technique does it use to distinguish between a large boulder/Rock and a jeep? What range does it have? I would like to have answered such questions.

It's a millimetre wave radar which, without getting too technical, means it has much higher resolution than a typical airborne radar, but also shorter range. To identify targets such radars are using a database of return signatures of certain vehicle types, and matching target returns against that. Most such databases would use key features the radar could pick out, such a gun barrels, the outline/profile of the vehicle, tracks, etc The range of the version we are getting should be 8km.

Edited December 2, 2022 by Scaley

[Dagobert666]

2 minutes ago, Scaley said:

It's a millimetre wave radar which, without getting too technical, means it has much higher resolution than a typical airborne radar, but also shorter range. To identify targets such radars are using a database of return signatures of certain vehicle types, and matching target returns against that. Most such databases would use key features the radar could pick out, such a gun barrels, the outline/profile of the vehicle, tracks, etc The range of the version we are getting should be 8km.

 

Thank you very much for the Awser

[Raptor9]

On 11/30/2022 at 5:34 PM, McGraw said:

We've heard nothing about anything worthwhile for a long time. Last mini update was of no interest to me and was September. 

In the AH-64D section in here from October 28: 

Development can only happen so fast with a game as complex as DCS, when trying to simulate an aircraft as complex as the AH-64D. Not every update can include new features, screenshots, or previews; nor will every update will be interesting to every player. A lot of this is very tedious, grinding work by the devs to program, implement, and test (simply stating more lines of code have been added for this project will rarely be interesting). Additionally, existing functions that are already in the game must also be maintained and bug-fixed, some of which are relied upon by future features to work correctly.

On 11/30/2022 at 4:02 AM, oscar19681 said:

Hey gents what’s up. I was wondering if there is any news on the radar upgrade in the foreseeable future?

On 11/30/2022 at 11:05 PM, giullep said:

No video no info no updates from september…… we need any info

No news to share. This is quite a big task to implement. It will take time, and will take patience.

[corbu1]

Yes, thanks for the information.

I was always wondering how safe and correct is target aquisition and identification with the FCR. I mean, there’s much more happening on the ground with vehicles and clutter etc. than in the air. 

I understand the technical side the FCR works, but does the crew only rely on these data?
May be there are some special procedures the crew has to do while targeting with FCR than with TADS where you have visual confirmation?

[dedlike.]

vor 8 Minuten schrieb corbu1:

Yes, thanks for the information.

I was always wondering how safe and correct is target aquisition and identification with the FCR. I mean, there’s much more happening on the ground with vehicles and clutter etc. than in the air. 

I understand the technical side the FCR works, but does the crew only rely on these data?
May be there are some special procedures the crew has to do while targeting with FCR than with TADS where you have visual confirmation?

as far as im aware you can simply slave the TADS to the radar lock, just like slaving it to Targetpoints or other things, so you can lock the target with your FCR and have a look at it in the TADS at the same time

[corbu1]

Ok, but then the crew must expose the helicopter from cover for safe targeting and shooting.

I think a lot of users waiting for the FCR for DCS AH64 because they might want target and fire from cover ….

Edited December 2, 2022 by corbu1

[dedlike.]

im mostly looking forward to it to simply spot things far easyer, shooting behind cover somewhat overrated anyways, since there will be far less opertunities to do so than one might think

but even if you attack from behind cover, still doesnt change the fact that you will expose yourself for FAR less time if you already have the TADS slaved to the target ans simply bob up for 3 sec to confirm it, bearly even giving them time to react at all untill you are behind cover again

 

ps: you wouldnt fire at a pure radar contact anyways (especaly if its a wheeled vehicle) since civilians play much more of a role IRL

Edited December 2, 2022 by dedlike.

[Raptor9]

19 minutes ago, corbu1 said:

I was always wondering how safe and correct is target aquisition and identification with the FCR. I mean, there’s much more happening on the ground with vehicles and clutter etc. than in the air. 

There is a reason the FCR icons are colored yellow, in accordance with the color convention of the rest of the avionics. It doesn't tell you if it is friendly, enemy, or civilian.

But it is the same as most other radar systems. If you are in an F-16 using the radar in GMT mode, it is just telling you that there are moving vehicles down there on the ground, not who is in them or who's coalition they belong to.

Not to get on a soapbox, but this is one of the reasons why having a person with good situational awareness, training, and an understanding of the tactical situation is so critical. You can't rely on bells and whistles in the cockpit to tell you when to pull a trigger or not, or whether you should go left vs right.

It's why so much money goes into training aircrews. Their military leadership is not only entrusting them with a multi-million dollar flying machine filled with technology, but they are entrusting them with the discretion to ensure that every munition that leaves their aircraft is employed in a responsible way, in accordance with their mission. You give a $30 million dollar aircraft to a pair of young men or women, that has the firepower to wipe out a company of tanks, armored fighting vehicles, or hundreds of infantry from several miles away; trust them to go somewhere into a hostile battlefield, at night, and expect them to accomplish objectives without supervision, using complex military tactics and procedures.

If it came down to what a computer screen said as to whether a gunner decides to shoot or not shoot, anybody could do that job out of boot camp.