Most accurate russian aircraft flight model?

[skypickle]

Is there any russian aircraft withe full featured detail as the A10 or the huey?

[BIGNEWY]

Hi, 

if you mean clickable cockpit 

Mig-21
https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/shop/modules/mig21bis/
Mig-15
https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/shop/modules/mig15bis/
Mig-19
https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/shop/modules/farmer/
Mi-24p
https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/shop/modules/hind/
Mi-8
https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/shop/modules/dcs_mi8mtv2_magnificent_eight/
Ka-50 
https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/shop/modules/dcs_black_shark_2/


If you mean flight model, even the flaming cliffs aircraft which do not have clickable cockpits have professional flight models. 

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/support/faq/general/#1512209

thanks

[skypickle]

Somehow I remember reading that the FC3 aircraft have simple and not external flight models. Even among the officially released airframes, there is a broad range of ‘flightmodel verisimilitude’. I am wondering which russian aircraft represents the acme of faithfulness to the ‘real’ experience. Perhaps tho this is like asking what is the most faithful rendering of WW1. No one from that era is alive to tell the story.

[BIGNEWY]

9 minutes ago, skypickle said:

Somehow I remember reading that the FC3 aircraft have simple and not external flight models. Even among the officially released airframes, there is a broad range of ‘flightmodel verisimilitude’. I am wondering which russian aircraft represents the acme of faithfulness to the ‘real’ experience. Perhaps tho this is like asking what is the most faithful rendering of WW1. No one from that era is alive to tell the story.

Have you flown real Russain aircraft? 
The modules have been created with a lot of care and data from real life, if someone has evidence it should be different the devs are always happy to take a look. 

[razo+r]

33 minutes ago, skypickle said:

Somehow I remember reading that the FC3 aircraft have simple and not external flight models. 

FC3 FMs have been upgraded from SFM to A/PFM a long time ago.

SFM is the flight model where you stick like glue to the floor until you got enough speed to take off for example. This behaviour is not present anymore with AFM, EFM and PFM.

[schurem]

I remember the day when the FC3 machines got the upgrade to flight modelling of the same quality as the A-10C had. It was glorious. It took years for me to learn how to land a MiG-29 without breaking it. I always thought the F-15C's FM was bovine excrement until I flew the hornet. Then it suddenly made sense.

Edited September 12, 2022 by schurem

[grimm862]

On 8/31/2022 at 8:41 AM, razo+r said:

FC3 FMs have been upgraded from SFM to A/PFM a long time ago.

SFM is the flight model where you stick like glue to the floor until you got enough speed to take off for example. This behaviour is not present anymore with AFM, EFM and PFM.

What's the difference between AFM, EFM, and PFM? When they did the FC3 aircraft I remember losing the fake routing systems the russian aircraft had that basically displayed your exact waypoints in the display in the cockpit, I was so pissed. I sucked at the game and those were the only planes I owned. Obviously that's not how the real planes worked but I really missed it lol. The mig-29 feels really great to fly. I haven't flown any of those planes in so long I need to give them a spin.

[SharkWizard]

4 hours ago, schurem said:

I remember the day when the FC3 machines got the upgrade to flight modelling of the same quality as the A-10C had. It was glorious. It took years for me to learn how to land a MiG-29 without breaking it. I always thought the F-15C's FM was bovine excrement until I flew the hornet. Then it suddenly made sense.

 

They actually had to fix the 29 flight model. It has a dampening system like so many other jets, which makes it much easier to handle in real life than the early pfm indicated.

[Avimimus]

3 hours ago, grimm862 said:

What's the difference between AFM, EFM, and PFM?

If I recall correctly (and I'm likely not recalling correctly):

SFM = Standard flight model (used by some AI and used for flyable aircraft in LOMAC).

AFM = Advanced flight model (used by the Su-25/Su-25T in the original Flaming Cliffs).

PFM = Professional flight model (used by the A-10C after its flight model was upgraded during development, other newer releases)

EFM = External flight model (used by a third party via an API - highly variable in quality but often approaching the PFM range).

Many of these flight models had iterations over time - so I'm not sure the exact calculations, types of aerodynamic effects modelled etc.

[Ironhand]

19 hours ago, grimm862 said:

What's the difference between AFM, EFM, and PFM?…

From Wags with more detailed descriptions:

 

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Edited September 13, 2022 by Ironhand

[Mars Exulte]

19 hours ago, grimm862 said:

What's the difference between AFM, EFM, and PFM?

 They're just degrees of simulation ultimately. The simplest ones just used a lookup table to generate precanned behavior (these are no longer used for player aircraft and the AI won't be using them much longer). The mid range ones simulated ground handling behavior and some limited aerial characteristics, these are no longer used by player aircraft either, except for the Su-25A/T. EFM is an externally developed model (ie 3rd party, not ED, but intended to be high fidelity), and PFM is a high fidelity model developed in house. These last two are typically most complex and focus a lot on 'edge of envelope' behavior.

I don't know why they bothered with all this loopy terminology, every two weeks somebody comes in confused about it. There is lo-fi and hi-fi that's it, and lo-fi is being phased out even for AI. So, basically, this isn't something anybody needs to be concerned about and should forget about it =D

[draconus]

On 9/13/2022 at 1:27 AM, grimm862 said:

When they did the FC3 aircraft I remember losing the fake routing systems the russian aircraft had that basically displayed your exact waypoints in the display in the cockpit, I was so pissed. I sucked at the game and those were the only planes I owned. Obviously that's not how the real planes worked but I really missed it lol.

You're talking about MiG-29 HDD repeater that was erroneusly displaying nav data before like in the Su-27/33. Since it was not realistic for the simulated model it was removed. The change might have been made at the same time but had nothing to do with FM.

[Mike_Romeo]

On 9/13/2022 at 1:27 AM, grimm862 said:

What's the difference between AFM, EFM, and PFM?

From: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/support/faq/general/#1512209

[grimm862]

On 9/14/2022 at 5:03 AM, draconus said:

You're talking about MiG-29 HDD repeater that was erroneusly displaying nav data before like in the Su-27/33. Since it was not realistic for the simulated model it was removed. The change might have been made at the same time but had nothing to do with FM.

I know it had nothing to do with the FM, I was just mentioning it.