Is it going to be worth going 3090 to 4090?

[Digitalvole]

I’m fine for power (phew) but don’t know about the connector (uh oh).

Though if there gonna be £2k+ I guess I might as well stop thinking about it all together. I’m not crying, I’ve just got something in my eye  

[WipeUout]

Newegg has a few MSRP priced cards.

All the unboxing video I saw so far on the 4090 confirmed that the 12 pins cable comes with the GPU.  You need to have at least a 1000 watt PSU though and four free VGA power cable from the PSU.  These cards can suck up to 650 watts!!

[dburne]

I have a feeling much of the improvements in the 40xx cards will come from some of the newer Nvidia technology available with them that currently not a lot of game developers have built into their games yet. For what we do with our flight sims I will be really surprised if it is a substantial gain in performance.

I still hold to my decision to just stick with my EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra this go around and probably skip 40xx altogether. Of course it is always subject to change but that is still the plan on my end. Getting kind of tired of forking out top dollar just because I fly in VR. I am satisfied now with the performance I get already.

[BigBANGtheory]

1 hour ago, dburne said:

I have a feeling much of the improvements in the 40xx cards will come from some of the newer Nvidia technology available with them that currently not a lot of game developers have built into their games yet. For what we do with our flight sims I will be really surprised if it is a substantial gain in performance.

I still hold to my decision to just stick with my EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra this go around and probably skip 40xx altogether. Of course it is always subject to change but that is still the plan on my end. Getting kind of tired of forking out top dollar just because I fly in VR. I am satisfied now with the performance I get already.

Dude the early reports are a 70-80% gain in pure rasterization (without the Nvidia tech), we will know more tomorrow when the review embargo lifts. 3090 was one of the worst value GPUs on record sorry to say but honestly you must have known that at the time you bought one surely?

[Supmua]

I believe most of these cards have a hard limit of 600W in bios (except maybe top shelf ones like ASUS ROG Strix). And according the rumors 450W tdp is expected unless you Overclock the heck out of the the card. 

[BigBANGtheory]

Just now, Supmua said:

I believe most of these cards have a hard limit of 600W in bios (except maybe top shelf ones like ASUS ROG Strix). And according the rumors 450W tdp is expected unless you Overclock the heck out of the the card. 

TDP being 450W is depending on your definition the power going into the core OR the thermal design, its not the total board power... Sorry if I sound like I'm being pedantic, I'm not just trying to clear misinformation and terminology. Its possible to have a TDP of 450W and a TBP of 600W at the same time.

[dburne]

2 hours ago, BigBANGtheory said:

Dude the early reports are a 70-80% gain in pure rasterization (without the Nvidia tech), we will know more tomorrow when the review embargo lifts. 3090 was one of the worst value GPUs on record sorry to say but honestly you must have known that at the time you bought one surely?

 

Well dude I can only say I love and have been extremely pleased with my EVGA 3090 card and the way it is looking currently I am leaning heavily toward skipping the 40xx series of cards. I would be shocked if there was that big a gain in performance over the 3090, and if there is I may have to rethink my plans.

[Supmua]

We should see plenty of real-world performance numbers by tomorrow (9AM EST), hopefully they correlate with the leaked numbers.

[dburne]

Anyone know if Nvidia has commented on how they think the supply chain is going to be this go around? Hopefully it won't be the fiasco that the 30xx release was. I got lucky as I got in the EVGA Que for a 3090 early so I got one at MSRP pretty fast. 

[Supmua]

1 hour ago, dburne said:

Anyone know if Nvidia has commented on how they think the supply chain is going to be this go around? Hopefully it won't be the fiasco that the 30xx release was. I got lucky as I got in the EVGA Que for a 3090 early so I got one at MSRP pretty fast. 

They’ve been pretty tight-lipped about it, but my hunch is that it will be a similar mess like last gen especially with the FE card since that’s the most affordable one with guaranteed top-binned chip (highly overclockable).  I remember having to wait over a month before getting my ASUS 3090, and this was via a combo purchase option from Newegg with an NVME drive which I really didn’t need.  The 4090 is relatively a good deal (USD pricing only though, non-USD pricing is nuts) compared to the 4080 in terms of performance jump.

[Slammin]

I retired from my 35 year job a couple months before the 3xxx were released.  I wound up getting a 3080 FE and a Aorus 3090 right off the bat, and then got an EVGA 3090 Hybrid and a 3090 FTW3 Ultra from the EVGA waiting list.  All at MSRP.  I feel I will definitely be getting a 4090 since my rig and PSU can handle it already.

Basically, I have a 3080 and at least one 3090 I would let go really cheap now to anyone interested. I'll be getting rid of another 3090 after I get my 4090.

[skywalker22]

Between 3090Ti and 4090 is only 10-15% of a difference.

While between 3080Ti and 4090 is 35-40%. So to upgrade from 3080Ti kind of make sence (if you have enough money of course).

Edited October 11, 2022 by skywalker22

[BigBANGtheory]

1 hour ago, skywalker22 said:

Between 3090Ti and 4090 is only 10-15% of a difference.

While between 3080Ti and 4090 is 35-40%. So to upgrade from 3080Ti kind of make sence (if you have enough money of course).

Where are you getting those numbers from? They simply do not align to anything I've seen even the most conservative estimates put it around 50% gain even from people dead set against Nvidia as a brand.

..and a 3090Ti being 25% faster than a 3080Ti, well I'll just leave this here to muse over:

 

I'm guessing (I don't know) the 4090 review embargo lifts at 9am PDT today, so I'll gladly come back this afternoon and eat my preverbal hat if I'm wrong. Nor am I advocating the 4090 its a very expensive GPU that should probably cost a great deal less but I'm reading some very odd comments in this thread regarding performance unless you've got some very niche use case in mind.

[Supmua]

5 hours ago, skywalker22 said:

Between 3090Ti and 4090 is only 10-15% of a difference.

While between 3080Ti and 4090 is 35-40%. So to upgrade from 3080Ti kind of make sence (if you have enough money of course).

 

Those numbers are way too conservative considering this is the card that will be taking on AMD's top dog next month.  On the CUDA core count alone the 4090 has 16,384 vs 10,752 on the 3090Ti (the 3080Ti on the other hand has 10,240 CUDA cores), not to mention much higher base clock that boosts up to 3GHz.

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Look like it is okay to test the card here in the UK

More RTX 4090 FE review:

 

Edited October 11, 2022 by VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants

[Supmua]

It looks like the reviewed performance numbers mirror those leaked bench numbers. This is the biggest GPU performance leap by NVIDIA since the 1080Ti. 

I’m equally impressed with the thermal performance of the FE card on these reviews and really wonders if we really need AIB coolers at all.  69C at full load is really good for an FE card. 

[dburne]

22 minutes ago, Supmua said:

It looks like the reviewed performance numbers mirror those leaked bench numbers. This is the biggest GPU performance leap by NVIDIA since the 1080Ti. 

I’m equally impressed with the thermal performance of the FE card on these reviews and really wonders if we really need AIB coolers at all.  69C at full load is really good for an FE card. 

Yeah I may have to rethink my strategy of just skipping the 40xx gen. I wonder if the performance improvement will also be reflected in VR.

[Supmua]

18 minutes ago, dburne said:

Yeah I may have to rethink my strategy of just skipping the 40xx gen. I wonder if the performance improvement will also be reflected in VR.

It should translate to VR, but keep in mind that real world gaming performance will not be as high as benchmark numbers.  To simplify, think of the 4090 as 2 generations leap in terms of typical performance.

Aside from raw power and thermal, the power efficiency of the 4090FE card seems to be as impressive, much much superior to the 3090Ti. 

 

[speed-of-heat]

Depends on your headset but VR on a g2 is like running a couple of 4k’s

[zildac]

Mulling the same dilemma, all my slowdowns, which really only occur in heavy scenarios with scripts etc (I'm looking at you through the inferno) are mostly as a result of CPU. So really wondering what benefit if any I'd see over my existing 3090ti. Guess we'll have to wait for some "DCS data" for VR.

[Supmua]

Babeltechreviews have some VR benchmarks, no DCS of course.  They use Valve Index at 150%SS.

 

 

[EightyDuce]

18 minutes ago, zildac said:

Mulling the same dilemma, all my slowdowns, which really only occur in heavy scenarios with scripts etc (I'm looking at you through the inferno) are mostly as a result of CPU. So really wondering what benefit if any I'd see over my existing 3090ti. Guess we'll have to wait for some "DCS data" for VR.

Depending on your CPU, assuming you aren't bottlenecked by it, you will see 50-70% performance over a 3090ti.

For VR this puppy would pair well with a 5800x3d. 

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

2 hours ago, Supmua said:

I’m equally impressed with the thermal performance of the FE card on these reviews and really wonders if we really need AIB coolers at all.  69C at full load is really good for an FE card. 

This is one of the reasons why EVGA quits -- NVIDIA is directly competing with its partners.

[EightyDuce]

I've been out of air cooling game for a while, only using FE variants on water, but the new coolers are absolutely monstrosities... 

 

Also, though EVGA never came out and said it, wondering if they knew something lol... Seeing as FE now almost directly competes with AIB models. 

[zildac]

Depending on your CPU, assuming you aren't bottlenecked by it, you will see 50-70% performance over a 3090ti.
For VR this puppy would pair well with a 5800x3d. 

I'd love for that to be true, and perhaps it will be. Currently 12900K at 5.4ghz all core of 5.1. I not holding out for 50-70% increase in DCS performance in VR, as amazing as that would be.