Is it going to be worth going 3090 to 4090?

[EightyDuce]

2 minutes ago, zildac said:

1 hour ago, EightyDuce said:

Depending on your CPU, assuming you aren't bottlenecked by it, you will see 50-70% performance over a 3090ti.
For VR this puppy would pair well with a 5800x3d. 

I'd love for that to be true, and perhaps it will be. Currently 12900K at 5.4ghz all core of 5.1. I not holding out for 50-70% increase in DCS performance in VR, as amazing as that would be.

Hopefully someone will get one soon and test. Looking at the reviews so far (not of DCS unfortunately) but the gains seem to be with that range at 4k.

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Now is the price...Scan.co.uk and Overclockers do not sell the FE edition in any shape or form, it seems. So it is likely that any custom PC from them must go with one the AIB cards.

According to NVIDIA site at the time of posting, it says "start from £1,699". If VAT is included, it is very attractive, still over budget though.

Update, the official site sells from Scan.co.uk and it seems to be VAT included price. Ref the RTX-3090Ti FE on sale.

Edited October 11, 2022 by VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants

[Supmua]

Avg FPS for NonVR MSFS 4K Ultra Preset DX11 from Paul's Hardware.  This might give some rough ideas regarding DCS (nonVR and VR) performance since that game is also heavy on the CPU at times.  Of course if you turn on DLSS option the performance goes up significantly from those numbers (except for the Radeon card since it doesn't have it).

RTX 4090 - 77.9

RTX 3090Ti - 57.9

RTX 3090 - 51.4

RX 6950XT - 40.7

EDIT: Techtesters got 80 fps in MSFS, and 161 fps with DLSS3 on (with 6 ms increase in latency).

Edited October 11, 2022 by Supmua

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Here is the full video:

 

[BigBANGtheory]

Of course what we have to keep in mind is that DCS does not benefit from DLSS in anyway shape or form and its heavily CPU bound, where VR users do gain imho is all we really need is 90fps at above 4k resolutions with as much graphical fidelity as we can get.

The other missing link in all this is where we expect the top end RDNA3 to land, it could beat the 4090 on pure rasterization performance and it's known to be much cheaper to produce than the 4090 (AMD might price it high though).

I've heard mixed reports about AMD's VR performance, I know they had an issue with the Quest2 and compression didn't they but apart from that what are peoples experiences and confidence level in a high end AMD GPU for VR?

Edited October 12, 2022 by BigBANGtheory

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Should it be for sale today? Don't see any price reference anywhere here in the UK.

Update: find it, "out of stock"

https://store.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/store/?page=1&limit=9&locale=en-gb

Edited October 12, 2022 by VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants

[VirusAM]

Of course what we have to keep in mind is that DCS does not benefit from DLSS in anyway shape or form and its heavily CPU bound, where VR users do gain imho is all we really need is 90fps at above 4k resolutions with as much graphical fidelity as we can get.
The other missing link in all this is where we expect the top end RDNA3 to land, it could beat the 4090 on pure rasterization performance and it's known to be much cheaper to produce than the 4090 (AMD might price it high though).
I've heard mixed reports about AMD's VR performance, I know they had an issue with the Quest2 and compression didn't they but apart from that what are peoples experiences and confidence level in a high end AMD GPU for VR?

Dcs VR is heavily CPU dependant, especially in complicated environments like multiplayer, scripting and AI heavy missions.
While better GPU will let you push more pixels at the same or better frame times...if your CPU cannot keep up, you will be stuck at less then 90 (or whatever is needed) fps.
The 5800x3d at the moment is a CPU that is able to help in the situations I described with its huge cache.

[Tom Kazansky]

58 minutes ago, VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants said:

Should it be for sale today? Don't see any price reference anywhere here in the UK.

Update: find it, "out of stock"

https://store.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/store/?page=1&limit=9&locale=en-gb

 

same on the German nVidia web site. there are sources that say it starts 15:00 CET (13 UTC)

[Baldrick33]

16 hours ago, VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants said:

Now is the price...Scan.co.uk and Overclockers do not sell the FE edition in any shape or form, it seems. So it is likely that any custom PC from them must go with one the AIB cards.

According to NVIDIA site at the time of posting, it says "start from £1,699". If VAT is included, it is very attractive, still over budget though.

Update, the official site sells from Scan.co.uk and it seems to be VAT included price. Ref the RTX-3090Ti FE on sale.

 

Although Overclockers don't show prices yet for the various 4090 cards they show as coming soon, the price filter updates at the bottom left to £1759-£2490 !

[Digitalvole]

I could just about justify £1759, but I bet those ones sell out quick. Though tbh I bet I end up spending £2k.

I have been thinking this morning though, as much as I love DCS VR, and I really do, is it worth another very expensive purchase? I can make it look nicer with a new GPU but it can’t improve the gameplay. 

By this I don’t mean flight models or avionics but more what we use those things for, ie combat. I feel DCS could really do with some improvement in this area (ai ground units to name just one). A dynamic campaign really can’t come soon enough.

All that being said, I’ll most likely still buy a 4090 if I can, cause I’m a sucker for nicer visuals.

Edited October 12, 2022 by Digitalvole

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Just tell your wife or whoever controls your finance, that 1. branded PC/laptops are a scam, it really overpriced and underperformed. 2. There will be no upgrade for you in the next 3 years, promise^*. (* unless there would be another piece of equipment that boosts DCS fun 3x coming out during this period)

[Supmua]

Secured ASUS TUF from Newegg

[Digitalvole]

13 minutes ago, VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants said:

Just tell your wife or whoever controls your finance, that 1. branded PC/laptops are a scam, it really overpriced and underperformed. 2. There will be no upgrade for you in the next 3 years, promise^*. (* unless there would be another piece of equipment that boosts DCS fun 3x coming out during this period)

Hehe I think my wife is wise to these tricks now, should still be fine though. She’s a keeper.

13 minutes ago, Supmua said:

Secured ASUS TUF from Newegg

Nice! May I ask how much it cost?

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Price?

[Digitalvole]

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-components/graphics-cards/nvidia-graphics-cards/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090
 

OCUK prices

Any of those that should be avoided?  Wouldn’t want to buy a crap one just because it’s cheaper. 

Edited October 12, 2022 by Digitalvole

[Supmua]

32 minutes ago, Digitalvole said:

Hehe I think my wife is wise to these tricks now, should still be fine though. She’s a keeper.

Nice! May I ask how much it cost?

$1599.99 plus tax, around $1700. Delivery date is Oct 19. 

[Supmua]

8 minutes ago, Digitalvole said:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-components/graphics-cards/nvidia-graphics-cards/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090
 

OCUK prices

Any of those that should be avoided?  Wouldn’t want to buy a crap one just because it’s cheaper. 

 

The 4090 cooling system seems over engineered so thermals will not be an issue with overclocking compared to older cards even with the cheapest models. You may or may not get the top binned chip with cheaper cards though.
 

Personally I would just get whatever is available since it’s a high demand product, people were camping outside Bestbuy, Microcenter, etc for this. 

[Digitalvole]

5 minutes ago, Supmua said:

$1599.99 plus tax, around $1700. Delivery date is Oct 19. 

Wow, that’s £1500, Nice!

Quite why it costs so much more in the UK I do not know. Be thankful your country isn’t run by muppets.

2 minutes ago, Supmua said:

The 4090 cooling system seems over engineered so thermals will not be an issue with overclocking compared to older cards even with the cheapest models. You may or may not get the top binned chip with cheaper cards though.
 

Personally I would just get whatever is available since it’s a high demand product, people were camping outside Bestbuy, Microcenter, etc for this. 

Thanks, just gotta hope there are some of the more “affordable” ones left by tonight.

[dburne]

2 hours ago, VirusAM said:

Dcs VR is heavily CPU dependant, especially in complicated environments like multiplayer, scripting and AI heavy missions.
While better GPU will let you push more pixels at the same or better frame times...if your CPU cannot keep up, you will be stuck at less then 90 (or whatever is needed) fps.
The 5800x3d at the moment is a CPU that is able to help in the situations I described with its huge cache.

 

Yeah this is the big thing as to what kind of real performance improvements in DCS are we going to see? Unfortunately we will not know till some users in here have them and report back.

 

 

1 hour ago, Supmua said:

The 4090 cooling system seems over engineered so thermals will not be an issue with overclocking compared to older cards even with the cheapest models. You may or may not get the top binned chip with cheaper cards though.
 

Personally I would just get whatever is available since it’s a high demand product, people were camping outside Bestbuy, Microcenter, etc for this. 

I imagen the scum - er scalpers - are getting a lot of them.

Edited October 12, 2022 by dburne

[Supmua]

If all goes well with the transaction, I'll have some numbers by next weekends.  This card won't fit in my mATX machine which houses a 11700K so I'll have to pair it with the 9900K for now, and this will probably push me to upgrade it too lol.

BTW, BHphotovideo still has ASUS TUF and Zotac Trinity OC in case you guys are still looking.  Preorder only though.

Edited October 12, 2022 by Supmua

[DerKlausi]

vor 3 Stunden schrieb VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants:

Just tell your wife or whoever controls your finance, that 1. branded PC/laptops are a scam, it really overpriced and underperformed. 2. There will be no upgrade for you in the next 3 years, promise^*. (* unless there would be another piece of equipment that boosts DCS fun 3x coming out during this period)

How about this one: the higher the frame rate, the faster the mission, the sooner you're with her again. And time with her is priceless. Does sound reasonable?

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Your financial controller, whatever title the person holds, concern more on the £££ matter, as the title implies. Well this is another topic for another day.

BTW, the FE card is sold out here in the UK.

If one builds a custom PC at Scan, you can now select 4090: ASU’s TUF is £2079 while STRIX OC is £2250

Edited October 12, 2022 by VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants

[Supmua]

Some guy in MSFS forum tested it with Strix 4090/5800X3D/Quest 2/DX11 DLSS.  His GPU frametime is below 11ms on avg which translates to 90+ fps, if CPU frametime allows.  He didn’t show CPU frametime graph though.  This is encouraging because I already know that my CPU frametime is below 11 ms in low populated areas so 90 fps in those areas may be possible depending on the rendering resolution.  Now I’m hoping to see the GPU frametime in DCS to make more direct correlation though.

Edited October 12, 2022 by Supmua

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

I am now very convinced, but it is hard to convince the Financial Controller for the extra budget. Then, have to wait for the chance of getting a FE card in hand.

[BigBANGtheory]

I looked at getting a Founders Edition but there were non for sale, usual Nvidia drip feed of product and no way to pre-order not exactly a customer friendly experience but I guess it will pickup in a few weeks and it gets ever closer to the AMD launch