F-15E vs. F-18C

[Elf1606688794]

On 10/5/2022 at 2:01 PM, Deano87 said:

Nukes wont happen. ED has made a statement that they have no plans to model nukes going forward, so the two that the Mig-21 have will remain, but there will be no new ones.

If the MiG-21 has nukes then the F-4E should get them also. (B-57 and B-61)

[idenwen]

On 10/5/2022 at 2:05 PM, Exorcet said:

It's not universally better. No HARM or Harpoon for example.

HARM is sorely missed, yes. Liked that thing.

[brettt777]

So what needs to happen then, is ED needs to put out a Super hornet. Then there will be question which one out techs the other since the FA-18E/F is about 7 years newer than the F-15E.

[bies]

On 6/11/2023 at 12:42 PM, falcon_120 said:

or you'll be a pretty anger customer later, asking why your F15E full of bombs is not doing M2.5 at 100ft

That would be lethal even without any bombs. Crazy 1960s ideas like Project Pluto or M-25.

[falcon_120]

So what needs to happen then, is ED needs to put out a Super hornet. Then there will be question which one out techs the other since the FA-18E/F is about 7 years newer than the F-15E.

Not much contest there in terms of sensor integration. Superhornet MSI tops F15E sensor fusion, Although not sensor raw performance.



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[AhSoul]

 

OK not the F/A-18, but people have been saying it'll dogfight fine as it's 'pretty much' just an F-15C with a bit more weight but more powerful engines

Edited June 26, 2023 by AhSoul

[Mr_Blastman]

Kill them well before they get close or be prepared to run...

 

[henshao]

Ah it's cool seeing the F-15's gyro gunsight even if it is a growling sidewinder video

[some1]

20 minutes ago, AhSoul said:

it's 'pretty much' just an F-15C with a bit more weight but more powerful engines

And it still is... but also with flight model made by a different company.

It would also work a bit better if he didn't put 4x more fuel in the Eagle than in the Viper. But ultimately F-15E is an aircraft in the same weight category as Su-27 and F-14, won't outturn a Viper in a dogfight setup. 

 

[Spirale]

12 hours ago, some1 said:

 

But ultimately F-15E is an aircraft in the same weight category as Su-27 and F-14, won't outturn a Viper in a dogfight setup. 

 

Yes but the F14 has proven his self efficiency in dogfight even if it is a big aircraft ^^

Edited June 27, 2023 by Spirale

[GGTharos]

The F-15E may be in that same category, but it wasn't designed for BFM.  The F-15A/C was.  There are several factors that make it more of a pig:

• More drag due to CFT
• AoA performance due to CFT drag/weight/aero
• AoA performance due to weight distribution (even if you remove the CFTs)
• Plain weight, of course

Edited June 27, 2023 by GGTharos

[Beirut]

56 minutes ago, GGTharos said:

 

• Plain weight, of course

 

I see what you did there. 

[Kev2go]

 

On 6/25/2023 at 4:47 AM, falcon_120 said:

Not much contest there in terms of sensor integration. Superhornet MSI tops F15E sensor fusion, Although not sensor raw performance.



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i mean even a legacy hornet has superior sensor fusion to the F15E, even if MSI is undermodelled in DCS relative to RL thing. Kind of a shame that the SIT page wont mesh DL tracks into the  a2a Radar page... Even the F16 does that.

 

sensor raw performance wise? would be a different story if comparing a SH block 2 with APG79 AESA to the APg70. IM not sure about raw detection ranges, maybe possible a Apg70 still outrange it, but AESA of course would have a slew of other advantages over a mech array radar. Plus SAR mapping quality in apg79 at this point looks improved. 6 levels of EXP patch maps. pages 18 thru 22 of below pdf. Pg47 shows A/G radar page overlay format.

bemil.chosun.com/nbrd/data/10040/upfile/200910/20091012105248.pdf

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 27, 2023 by Kev2go

[Ziggy123]

F-15E v F-16C  

 

[some1]

13 hours ago, GGTharos said:

The F-15E may be in that same category, but it wasn't designed for BFM.  The F-15A/C was.  There are several factors that make it more of a pig:

• More drag due to CFT
• AoA performance due to CFT drag/weight/aero
• AoA performance due to weight distribution (even if you remove the CFTs)
• Plain weight, of course

 

For turn&burn, it's mostly the weight. If you compare them at the same weights, then F-15E actually has better sustained turn performance in DCS than C. At least at the speeds and alts I checked. But that means comparing a fully fuelled C with an E that has 20% of gas.