Whats the performace like now?

[Boosterdog]

Firsty I am sure this is alreasy well answered but I couldnt find anything on searching.

Im finally coming round to the idea of my life being somehow diminished by not having the Apache. My only concern is performance. The EA bugs I can happiliy live with. 

The Hind will play in my 2D 1080P world with a minimum of 80 fps (2X MSAA and SS @1.5) most other things on max in caucauses on the ground. 

Is anyone able to give me a rought and dirty comparison as to the hit over the hind? 

 

Thanks

[admiki]

Playable

[Boosterdog]

Got it and found it about 10-15 fps down in general so far. I think thats pretty good given all those screens. 

[Hiob]

Mind that, like with all cockpit screens/mirrors in DCS, you get a performance penalty when using TADS or PNVS.
The Hind don't have that, so performance might even drop some more when you use them.

[scommander2]

@BoosterdogIs it possible to share the setings for SSLR and SSAO for my cuiosity?  Thanks.

Edited November 2, 2022 by scommander2

[sorcer3r]

3 hours ago, admiki said:

Playable

This but IMO 2.7 performed better with TADS on.

[inexus]

It's playable, thought it does use more VRAM and the cockpit view require some optimisation as it's a bit heavy on the fps these days. 

I found in a couple of missions that it uses more than 10GB and if your GPU doesn't have more than that the fps will tank. After I upgraded my GPU it helped a lot with this. 

[Boosterdog]

18 hours ago, scommander2 said:

@BoosterdogIs it possible to share the setings for SSLR and SSAO for my cuiosity?  Thanks.

 

Having gone through the Training mission Ive realised that my use of SS @ 1.5 was wildly optimistic. In fact the Apache is hitting my borderline 60fps even with MSAA x2 and many other lower setting (clouds, viewing distance etc) once everything is cooking. Im not sure if some of the jitter is caused by the absence of the ole forced full screen these days as the fps counter appeared solid at the enforced 60 thoughout.  Perhaps the VRAM limit of my 3080.  For something that spends its days down in the weeds its perhaps a little ahread of it time in terms of what it takes to run it well. 

No buyers regret but its likely to be yet another hanger queen whilst I go back to my first love, the Hip. 

 

EDIT - a little more flying time - without TADS and with MSAA X2, SS 1.5, Ectreme view distance, high water etc - the runway start caucuases runs between 85 over the fields and 75 over the cities . I could increase that by 10 fps without any pain. The single simple mirror costs 15fps  so that off.  Given the above I am more convinved that the stuttering I encountered is down to the inabilty to alt enter into full screen (whatever we have now isnt equvalent as I can still cal up windows on top of the game). 

 

Edited November 3, 2022 by Boosterdog

[Moxica]

Playable and beautiful. Even with the AH64 on Falkland map.
-Not in Marianas, though.

[poochies]

so turn mirror off good idea  .. are you using 512 or 1024 for cockpit res and every frame or not ? thanks on my old geforce 880m had to crank that down to 512 every other frame really helped with TADS especially TV selected ....afraid to update to 2.8 until i get new laptop ....

[simo-dj]

16 ore fa, Boosterdog ha scritto:

The single simple mirror costs 15fps  so that off.

hi @Boosterdog i never found the otion to tun mirror off.

Can you tell me where is it located?

Thanks a lot!

2 ore fa, Moxica ha scritto:

Playable and beautiful. Even with the AH64 on Falkland map.
-Not in Marianas, though.

I completely agree @Moxica.

While with A-10 or F-16 Marianas are beautiful with Apache are still beautiful but quite unplayable. fps drop down and it seems like a .gif

That's a pity!

 

[Boosterdog]

2 hours ago, poochies said:

so turn mirror off good idea  .. are you using 512 or 1024 for cockpit res and every frame or not ? thanks on my old geforce 880m had to crank that down to 512 every other frame really helped with TADS especially TV selected ....afraid to update to 2.8 until i get new laptop ....

Im using 1024 (not every frame). For helos I could also drop the cloud detail and view distance from Extreme to Ultra or even high for a few extra frames.

1 hour ago, simo-dj said:

hi @Boosterdog i never found the otion to tun mirror off.

Can you tell me where is it located?

Thanks a lot!

 

 

Keybind "M" toggle mirrors in the General Controls section of the module. I think its the default binding. 

[Dangerzone]

Shadows off seems to have the best effect for me to improve FPS's. I've had to lower my settings more since getting the AH64. It definitely eats up more frames (especially with PNVS), but I'm wondering - how much difference is there in performance that people have noticed between 1024 and 1024 every frame?

[Nevyn]

On 11/3/2022 at 12:40 AM, Boosterdog said:

Given the above I am more convinved that the stuttering I encountered is down to the inabilty to alt enter into full screen (whatever we have now isnt equvalent as I can still cal up windows on top of the game). 

 

 

Yeah that asinine move really screwed things up, doesn't run nearly as smoothly as it did before.

[Boosterdog]

6 hours ago, Nevyn said:

Yeah that asinine move really screwed things up, doesn't run nearly as smoothly as it did before.

Certainly annoying. I spent a good deal of money (for me) building a pc powerful enough to run DCS at a decent kick. Now it does this happens. I dunno if it’s an ED thing  or a windows thing ED have to work with. What’s worrying is the official proclamation that there is no issue anymore as the issue was fixed. I hope they review it. 

[Fakum]

On 11/2/2022 at 3:15 PM, inexus said:

It's playable, thought it does use more VRAM and the cockpit view require some optimisation as it's a bit heavy on the fps these days. 

I found in a couple of missions that it uses more than 10GB and if your GPU doesn't have more than that the fps will tank. After I upgraded my GPU it helped a lot with this. 

I certainly hope it "helped" to upgrade your GPU, it would be pretty sad to spend about $2500.00 just for a bump in performance. Was it worth it? I hope so!

[inexus]

20 hours ago, Fakum said:

I certainly hope it "helped" to upgrade your GPU, it would be pretty sad to spend about $2500.00 just for a bump in performance. Was it worth it? I hope so!

Let me clarify as i can see how it may sound like doubling the GPU power was the root cause ...

I reduced the texture setting to medium using my 3080 and that removed the 100% GPU load. Hence I could see that the texture sizes were likely the culprit in the issue and possibly the reason was swapping textures in/out of the VRAM. 

Upgrading the GPU let me use high settings for textures again. 

[pii]

On 11/2/2022 at 9:09 AM, Boosterdog said:

Got it and found it about 10-15 fps down in general so far. I think thats pretty good given all those screens. 

Its probably also full of debug code. But its EA so they will get better.

[Boosterdog]

3 hours ago, pii said:

Its probably also full of debug code. But its EA so they will get better.

TRue but Im definately eating my own and anyone eles's hat on this over the reservations on prformance I had initally. Its EA and its new so its as demandings as an ex-wife but, unlike an ex wife remains enjoyable after the honeymoon period. Not as complex as I feared either........again unlike an ex-wife. 

[DmitriKozlowsky]

That depends on map. Overall performance of AH-64D in 2.8 has gone down in some theaters, minor in some theaters, more in others. Biggest performance hit for AH-64D, in my situation, is with South Atlantic. My rig really struggles with Apache over Falklands.

[Moxica]

Some missions starts out smooth, until enemy units are activated; Boom! Slideshow. Uncontrollable helo.
Even when units are out of sight. That indicates CPU constipation.

[Boosterdog]

6 minutes ago, Moxica said:

Some missions starts out smooth, until enemy units are activated; Boom! Slideshow. Uncontrollable helo.
Even when units are out of sight. That indicates CPU constipation.

There is a quick mission for the Hind (Disaster Releif) that is similar. Running it on a the Dserver sorts it out -( kinda - you loose the destruction zones which is kinda the point of mission). In short DCS now asks for too much of its limited core utilization for sure. Multi-core is greatly anticipated. 

 

 

[DmitriKozlowsky]

5 hours ago, Moxica said:

Some missions starts out smooth, until enemy units are activated; Boom! Slideshow. Uncontrollable helo.
Even when units are out of sight. That indicates CPU constipation.

I never thought of CPU bottleneck as constpitation. Thank you for expanding my visual perception.

[RuskyV]

While in the Apache my fps seems to be stuck at 20fps in vr. If I go to any other aircraft using F2 then I hit a constant  40 fps. It seems when near or sat in the apache my frames immediately cap.

i have no clue how to fix this, so performance in VR for me is quite terrible  

[Spetz]

Apache is shelved for me for now. I get close to a solid 40 FPS in VR with all other aircraft, with my quest 2 at 80hz, 1.1 PD.

Apache, for some reason starts about 25 FPS and progressively drops.

Edited November 10, 2022 by Spetz