Jack57 Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 I have the highest regard for this sim. I used to fly helicopters IRL and the realism of BS is astounding! However performance is killing some of the enjoyment for me - I am several missions into the 2nd campaign and I am getting down as low as 8fps when there is a lot going on - makes targeting a lot more difficult and reduces the immersion somewhat. I guess I am surprised given the amount of hoohaa over the extremely high system requirement for Assasins Creed - my machine runs that game easily on medium settings. Oh, my system is as follows: AMD Athlon 64X2 Dual Core 6000+ @ 3300GHz, 2GB Corsair DDR2, nVidia Geforce 9600 GT 1GB, ASUS M2N-SLI Mobo So does anyone else with a similar system getting similar performance? Cheers, Jack :pilotfly: "The only thing a chopper pilot should do downwind is take a leak" - CFI _______________________ CPL(H). AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 6000+ @3.3 GHz, 2GB Corsair DDR2 667, nVidia GeForce 9600 GT 1 GB, SB Audigy 2. Logitech Extreme 3D Pro modified: no centering springs, extended shaft. CH Pro Throttle; vertical chair mount. _______________________
EvilBivol-1 Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 What graphics settings do you use and what AA/AF settings? - EB [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Nothing is easy. Everything takes much longer. The Parable of Jane's A-10 Forum Rules
815TooCooL Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 Vista, vista, and Vista if you're in XP & Intel CPU (secondary) System: Core2Duo E8500, 4G ram, GTX260, SLC SSD, and Vista 32bit. LG W2600HP 26" LCD. Controls : MSFFB2, CH Pro throttle, Saitek rudder, Saitek throttle quadrant, and TrackIR4 BS Setting : medium with visibility HIGH More skill you get, more you Love DCS:Black Shark.
Jack57 Posted January 21, 2009 Author Posted January 21, 2009 Graphics are set to medium, no AA. Changing to Low make little if any difference. This is on Win XP. Cheers. "The only thing a chopper pilot should do downwind is take a leak" - CFI _______________________ CPL(H). AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 6000+ @3.3 GHz, 2GB Corsair DDR2 667, nVidia GeForce 9600 GT 1 GB, SB Audigy 2. Logitech Extreme 3D Pro modified: no centering springs, extended shaft. CH Pro Throttle; vertical chair mount. _______________________
71st_Mastiff Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 (edited) Graphics are set to medium, no AA. Changing to Low make little if any difference. This is on Win XP. Cheers. Your card is high-end; try setting everything on high but the water on medium. make sure your game resolution is the same as the desk top. native resolution. also try the processor infinity program it help a few out. Edited January 21, 2009 by Mastiff "any failure you meet, is never a defeat; merely a set up for a greater come back", W Forbes. "Success is not final, failure is not fatal, it is the courage to continue that counts", "He who never changes his mind, never changes anything," Winston Churchill. MSI z690 MPG DDR4 || i9-14900k|| ddr4-64gb PC3200 |zotac RTX 5080|Game max 1300w|Win11| |turtle beach elite pro 5.1|| ViRpiL,T50cm2||MFG Crosswinds|| VT50CM-plus rotor Throttle || Z10 RGB EVGA Keyboard/ G502LogiMouse || PiMax Crystal VR || 32 Asus||
MrReynolds Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 Dude, I have an Athlon 4400 with 2 gis RAM and an Nvidia 8800GTS. Im running very well (av 20fps ish ). Most stuff is on Medium, I have civilian traffic on but low water. 1600 (or whatever) resolution to boot!!!! What you said about the campaigns however is correct. The problem for me is that my system's too old to handle a "good old battle" ;) Open the campaign missions via the editor and play em. This way if there's a chunky one you can just ignore it and play another. Remember Simulations are pretty much the only reason to purchase a meaty PC. Most other games are okay with an slightly older system. Time for us to upgrade I reckon :megalol: Now.....when are the i7s going down in price and when's that new ATI gfx card out!!!???
EvilBivol-1 Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 Jack, so is this performance isolated to the Georgian Oil War campaign? - EB [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Nothing is easy. Everything takes much longer. The Parable of Jane's A-10 Forum Rules
Reticuli Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 I have everything at or below low graphics and am mostly in the no-cockpit view, only going into the pit for switches. The only thing I miss is the RWR, but I usually have a good idea where the bad guys probably are shooting from with the ARBIS. I only use time accelerate when there's not a lot of stuff going on, and then only 1 or 2 notches of it. And I try to keep my cool when things become really sluggish and just try not to crash until the action calms down. And I stay away from playing "Battle". X65 and X52, Glide, Winx3D, and GlovePIE Profiles http://library.avsim.net/search.php?SearchTerm=reticuli&CatID=miscmisc http://library.avsim.net/register.php X52 + Silicone Grease = JOY stick
Jack57 Posted January 21, 2009 Author Posted January 21, 2009 Jack, so is this performance isolated to the Georgian Oil War campaign? Seems to be - I don't recall things getting anywhere near this chunky during the 1st chapter though. I just found an extra 5 fps or so by setting to Full Screen - I did know that window mode gave a performance hit - not sure how it got set that way to be honest :joystick: I have SB Live-Value card so I am wondering if a better sound card might give a slight performance increase? I do notice some sound issues with BS (same as LOMAC). Thanks for all the interest :thumbup: "The only thing a chopper pilot should do downwind is take a leak" - CFI _______________________ CPL(H). AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 6000+ @3.3 GHz, 2GB Corsair DDR2 667, nVidia GeForce 9600 GT 1 GB, SB Audigy 2. Logitech Extreme 3D Pro modified: no centering springs, extended shaft. CH Pro Throttle; vertical chair mount. _______________________
skypirate Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 Oh, my system is as follows: AMD Athlon 64X2 Dual Core 6000+ @ 3300GHz, 2GB Corsair DDR2, nVidia Geforce 9600 GT 1GB, ASUS M2N-SLI Mobo So does anyone else with a similar system getting similar performance? Well, I was having the same problem. After I red this post and did not see anything related with the DUAL CORE AFFINITY ISSUE I will ask you Jack if you are setting the game DCS.exe to run on both cores. There were many posts about this in the forum but just in case the slipped from your view...... So for me it worked with FPS double after I started setting affinity manually to the second core+the firest one. If you need more info follow the threads. Regarding the SB - I installed SB X-Fi Titanium after I was running BS for few weeks, and it gave me around 5-10 FPS incease (still other members here are skeptic about that). If your SB has hardware acceleration there is no reason for you to change it however if it uses the CPU power to provide the sound you might have FPS increase if you change it. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]Regards!
Jack57 Posted January 21, 2009 Author Posted January 21, 2009 I am using XP and from what I have read here and elsewhere the affinity trick only works for Vista??? "The only thing a chopper pilot should do downwind is take a leak" - CFI _______________________ CPL(H). AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 6000+ @3.3 GHz, 2GB Corsair DDR2 667, nVidia GeForce 9600 GT 1 GB, SB Audigy 2. Logitech Extreme 3D Pro modified: no centering springs, extended shaft. CH Pro Throttle; vertical chair mount. _______________________
Jack57 Posted January 21, 2009 Author Posted January 21, 2009 PS: I made a mistake on the soundcard - my son's pc has the SB Live-Value - I have the Audigy 2 "The only thing a chopper pilot should do downwind is take a leak" - CFI _______________________ CPL(H). AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 6000+ @3.3 GHz, 2GB Corsair DDR2 667, nVidia GeForce 9600 GT 1 GB, SB Audigy 2. Logitech Extreme 3D Pro modified: no centering springs, extended shaft. CH Pro Throttle; vertical chair mount. _______________________
Dropbear Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 If your frame rate only falls to 8 fps during the heavy bits of the GOW campaign then I wouldn't be complaining too much... mine is a lot worse in portions and I still persevere
Doggy Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 Currently I'm running the same (2nd) campaign too and I had to just set details to medium instead of high. textures still on High. Water is set to "0" and shadows to active planar. Mirrors of. x4 AA. After take-off I have around 40FPS. In the middle of battlefield it is around 20-25FPS. Only thing that kills my FPS are flares. I'm planing to patch them [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] C2D E4500@3GHz + Scythe Katana , 2GB/800, GF9600GT@720 (GV-NX96T512HP), Cyborg Evo, Freetrack (2.2), Samsung 20" @1680x1050, Fortron BSII 400W (peak 430W), Win7 HP x64
S7_Viper Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 I don't think anyone mentioned drivers. More important then anything. I have a 3800 single core, 2 gig of old ram. 8800gts, all settings on medium. I cant speak for campaign, but instant action and basic flight I am over 35fps. I also have a friend trying to get up and running, had major issues until he updated his drivers... Good luck man.
mckee14 Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 Currently I'm running the same (2nd) campaign too and I had to just set details to medium instead of high. textures still on High. Water is set to "0" and shadows to active planar. Mirrors of. x4 AA. After take-off I have around 40FPS. In the middle of battlefield it is around 20-25FPS. Only thing that kills my FPS are flares. I'm planing to patch them same here - flares and exploding blacksharks are not good for the frames, as well as big AI battles / a lot of triggers running... Democracy is choice, not freedom...
Chillspider Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 I get about the same in the campaign 8FPS but i only have a BFG GeForce 8800 GT OC 512Mb . 2 gig ddr 800mhz and AMD X4 9600+ @2.3 on Vista 32 Home Premium when i get better cooling i can get it to 2.6 and its very stable. But what im at now is not enough. Also i have only had one crash to desktop since i started the campaign so its not too bad except when targeting. I have texture on high everything else on MED and low water. Im hoping someday ill have something that can hold atleast 15 FPS in the campaign. In MP missions i get about 18-30 so im atleast happy about that i do alot of MP flying. But this is still the greates Heli sim ever . Dell XPS 630i w/ Dell nForce 650i Sli ,Intel Q9650 @3.0 ,6.0 GB Ram @800Mhz, 2xGeforce 9800 GT 512 MB ,Saitek X52, Saitek Pro Rudder Pedals ,Dell 24" 1080P HD monitor, Klipsch THX Pro Media 2.1 ,TrackIR 4, Logitech MX518 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
mckee14 Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 a sidenote - and please, don't ask my WHY, because it makes NO SENSE AT ALL. but, when i ENABLE 8xAA, the frames are better that with no AA or with 4xAA. strange, but true... (8800 GT, 512mb) Democracy is choice, not freedom...
Jack57 Posted January 21, 2009 Author Posted January 21, 2009 a sidenote - and please, don't ask my WHY, because it makes NO SENSE AT ALL. but, when i ENABLE 8xAA, the frames are better that with no AA or with 4xAA. strange, but true... (8800 GT, 512mb) So you are enabling that in the NVIDIA Control panel right? "The only thing a chopper pilot should do downwind is take a leak" - CFI _______________________ CPL(H). AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 6000+ @3.3 GHz, 2GB Corsair DDR2 667, nVidia GeForce 9600 GT 1 GB, SB Audigy 2. Logitech Extreme 3D Pro modified: no centering springs, extended shaft. CH Pro Throttle; vertical chair mount. _______________________
Frederf Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 I remember a few games where turning on AA helped the frames. Overall I have a feeling that it's the particle system that is what's dragging down my FPS. I'm fine outside of some battles but big firey explosions and smoke bring the FPS way down. The triggers and unit AI have got to be peanuts in terms of CPU cycles.
uhoh7 Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 The GOC has about 6 missions which are especially hard on frames. It's funny because other quite busy missions seem to play fine. I have no problem with flares or bombing runs. The slow frames persist through quite a bit of the missions in question. It's a shame because, again most of the campaign plays fine. Lately I've been playing all deliberate attack missions in sequence. 3/4 play fine with all sorts of stuff going on, air and ground. It would be nice for mission buiders to know what it is about the slowest missions which make them slow. It it was just objects, that would be easy, because most missions have many objects which are irelevant to the task, but I suspect there are other more complex issues which these missions have in common. E8600 Asus P5E Radeon 4870x2 Corsair 4gb Velociraptor 300gb Neopower 650 NZXT Tempest Vista64 Samsung 30" 2560x1600
Slayer Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 How much addressable memory is available on your system? I had many performance problems in XP due to having so little address space left because of 2x graphics cards with 768 megs each. I just ask because I noticed you have a card with 1 gig of video memory Games like battlefield 2142 that were running close to 2 gigs of memory being used would choke or crash. Do you notice if the lag is related to being near citys or water? To me these seems to have a bigger impact on performance instead of the number of units. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] System Specs Intel I7-3930K, Asrock EXTREME9, EVGA TITAN, Mushkin Chronos SSD, 16GB G.SKILL Ripjaws Z series 2133, TM Warthog and MFD's, Saitek Proflight Combat pedals, TrackIR 5 + TrackClip PRO, Windows 7 x64, 3-Asus VS2248H-P monitors, Thermaltake Level 10 GT, Obutto cockpit
Arizona Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 (edited) I have SB Live-Value card so I am wondering if a better sound card might give a slight performance increase? I do notice some sound issues with BS (same as LOMAC). Yes, you will see an improvement if you upgrade your SB Live Value. I found out it was holding me back in LOMAC. The bonus is its a cheap upgrade... Good luck! EDIT: Oh - just saw you're running an Audigy like me... Never mind! Edited January 22, 2009 by Arizona
deadsmell Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 just throwing this out there, but how often do you perform maintenance on your pc? a thorough disc defrag, cleaning and defragging the registry, getting rid of junk files etc. can make a huge difference in performance. seriously, I was playing DCS the other day, and I had some FPS/stability issues (crash), and I never had those problems before. So I figured id do some cleaning, and BOOM she's running like she did on the day I put her together. DCS is running nice and smooth again. Dont let the smell get to ya...............
Jack57 Posted January 22, 2009 Author Posted January 22, 2009 a sidenote - and please, don't ask my WHY, because it makes NO SENSE AT ALL. but, when i ENABLE 8xAA, the frames are better that with no AA or with 4xAA. strange, but true... (8800 GT, 512mb) Well it seems you are indeed right! That really surprised me because in every other game I have tried turning on FSAA in the game menu it murders the frame rate. Apparently doing it thru NVIDIA Control Panel is different in some way. Now I am getting 15-25fps (sometimes 30+) so I am more than happy with that. Jack :) "The only thing a chopper pilot should do downwind is take a leak" - CFI _______________________ CPL(H). AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 6000+ @3.3 GHz, 2GB Corsair DDR2 667, nVidia GeForce 9600 GT 1 GB, SB Audigy 2. Logitech Extreme 3D Pro modified: no centering springs, extended shaft. CH Pro Throttle; vertical chair mount. _______________________
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