cannot repoduce and missing track file Maverick (AGM-65D) Preplan Mode: Is the Handoff from TGP to MAV supposed to work?

[LeCuvier]

I have watched the video provided by Wags about 10 times and I believe that I'm doing it right. I have the TGP looking at the target (located via steerpoint) and set to AUTO. The MAV is set to PRE and shows the "S" for slaved status. However the MAV's view is not correlated with the TGP, it's not far away but not on target. And when I press TMS FWD the TGP switches to POINT mode, but the MAV does not react. No handoff. The station indicator shows "T".
Any suggestion what I might be doing wrong please? I have tried many times and I'm not getting there.

[VarZat]

Sounds like you are not boresighting the missile.
 

Also press TMS right with the TGP as SOI and it will force the handoff, and if in auto mode it will also attempt to lock a target when it is stopped slewing to the point the TGP told it to go to. I find it stops doing the handoff after a few times

[LeCuvier]

I want to use Preplan mode with Auto handoff. From Wags' video I understand I have to set the MAV to "PRE". Are you saying I need to set it to "BORE" before I set it to PRE?
I have tried this and I got as far as seeing a message like "Attempting Handoff...", but the handoff apparently did not succeed. For me this is not solved.

[VarZat]

36 minutes ago, LeCuvier said:

I want to use Preplan mode with Auto handoff. From Wags' video I understand I have to set the MAV to "PRE". Are you saying I need to set it to "BORE" before I set it to PRE?
I have tried this and I got as far as seeing a message like "Attempting Handoff...", but the handoff apparently did not succeed. For me this is not solved.

The boresighting, though it is a little confusing has nothing to do with the BORE mode. I usually do the boresighting in PRE mode. There are many videos on this subject, i recommend you look it up

[silverdevil]

1 hour ago, LeCuvier said:

I want to use Preplan mode with Auto handoff. From Wags' video I understand I have to set the MAV to "PRE". Are you saying I need to set it to "BORE" before I set it to PRE?
I have tried this and I got as far as seeing a message like "Attempting Handoff...", but the handoff apparently did not succeed. For me this is not solved.

hi as said unless you airstart, you have to boresight the missile to tgp. once that is done you set the tgp to auto (OSB2 i think). then make sure the distance is within 8 miles, changing point track on target, the missile will lock on.

[LeCuvier]

Thanks for the information! The boresighting process seems horrendous to me, I'm not goig to spend time with it. I will just avoid missions that start on the ground.
I had originally created an additional problem to myself by not changing the target steerpoint elevation to ground zero. Once I fixed that, MAV usage in an airstart mission became a piece of cake. Actually, easier than in the A-10C and also easier than in the Hrnet.
 

[Willdass]

24 minutes ago, LeCuvier said:

Thanks for the information! The boresighting process seems horrendous to me, I'm not goig to spend time with it. I will just avoid missions that start on the ground.
I had originally created an additional problem to myself by not changing the target steerpoint elevation to ground zero. Once I fixed that, MAV usage in an airstart mission became a piece of cake. Actually, easier than in the A-10C and also easier than in the Hrnet.
 

It's a tedious process for sure, but it's quite fast when you get used to it. Worst part about it is that you have to wait for the Mavs and TGP to heat up. You can also boresight the Mavs in the air if you don't find something to lock while on the ground or if you don't have the time.

[VarZat]

I actually reccomend boresighting in the air. Try to get an object as far away as possible.

[LeCuvier]

I did the boresighting on the ground, using a vehicle at the far end of the runway. Once airborne with TGP and MAV display live and set, I selected the target steerpoint. I could never figure out where the TGP was looking then, but certainly nowhere near the steerpoint. I tried the whole thing again, with the same result. In the end I killed target by setting the MAV to BOR.
So for the time being I will only use the MAV in airstart missions.

[VarZat]

Did you CZ your tgp?

[BIGNEWY]

please if you are seeing a problem and have a short track replay please attach it, we are happy to recheck it

thank you

[LeCuvier]

1 hour ago, VarZat said:

Did you CZ your tgp?

Why should I? I'm using target steerpoints, not markpoints.
I tried again using the CZ, and yes that made it work.

Edited February 14, 2023 by LeCuvier

[VarZat]

1 hour ago, LeCuvier said:

Why should I? I'm using target steerpoints, not markpoints.

You should anyways. Always good technique if you are not seeing what you hope to see. 

Edited February 14, 2023 by VarZat

[LeCuvier]

28 minutes ago, VarZat said:

You should anyways. Always good technique if you are not seeing what you hope to see. 

 

Yes, using the CZ made it work. And it seems to me that it might become necessary sometimes even between runs towards the same target steerpoint.

Thanks for all the help! I'm tempted to document what I learned in a single document. Hopping through various videos doesn't work well for me as I'm not a native English speaker and I struggle with accents and people speaking fast or through their teeth.

[VarZat]

1 minute ago, LeCuvier said:

Yes, using the CZ made it work. And it seems to me that it might become necessary sometimes even between runs towards the same target steerpoint.

Thanks for all the help! I'm tempted to document what I learned in a single document. Hopping through various videos doesn't work well for me as I'm not a native English speaker and I struggle with accents and people speaking fast or through their teeth.

Im happy it worked out

When switching steerpoints, i always subcounciously press TMS down.

[Shrike88]

Is there a known issue with the TER’s vs a single mount that’s know of ? Seems not all are calibrating when using the TER

[Chain_1]

1 hour ago, Shrike88 said:

Is there a known issue with the TER’s vs a single mount that’s know of ? Seems not all are calibrating when using the TER

If memory serves, this is an ongoing issue.  You should only have to boresight each rack, but currently you have to do each individual missile.

[_SteelFalcon_]

22 minutes ago, Chain_1 said:

If memory serves, this is an ongoing issue.  You should only have to boresight each rack, but currently you have to do each individual missile.

that's not true, you only have to boresight the pylon. DCS has it working correctly afaik

[Chain_1]

2 hours ago, _SteelFalcon_ said:

that's not true, you only have to boresight the pylon. DCS has it working correctly afaik

Looks like I misremembered.  I was thinking of stepping through the missiles, the boresighting works as you say.  I just tried it.

[void68]

Boresighting does *not* work pre actual beta and with latest stable. When you hit active pause and try it 5 times or so, sometimes it works. Has nothing to do with parallax problems if the seeker head is off several 10° degrees and the seeker head icon on the hud is everywhere else but there where it should be. I wonder why there hasn't been a hotfix yet.

So there is no use going through the startup process, takeoff and try to boresight and there you are, with 6 crosseyed Mavericks. Ok, VIS and BORE aiming modes still work as long as you haven't tried to BORESIGHT them before. PRE is messed up.

[_SteelFalcon_]

Yeah it‘s broken in the stable version but already fixed in the current OB.

sad that such bugs, despite being known, still make it to stable and stay there for however long until stable gets another update

[LeCuvier]

I still have concerns about the boresighting process. Let me explain:

I had boresighted weapon stations 3 and 7 (carrying AGM-65D) on the ground, before takeoff. After the boresighting process, before takeoff,  I switched Mavericks and TGP OFF and reverted to NAV mode.
Once airborne, I activated A/G mode and re-started TGP and Mavericks, and set everything up for preplanned mode. Hit CZ and selected steerpoint 5. Designated the first of 3 targets at that location and within 7 NM range handed off and fired the MAV. It hit the target. Worked like a charm for this first MAV.
On my run-in for the 2nd target I designated the new target on the TGP and tried handoff. But the MAV seeker did not correlate to the TGP-designated target. I tried several more runs but without success.
I have a second version of that mission which is air-started, so the MAVs are boresighted at mission start. The mission has  the same load-out with 2 each AGM-65 on stations 3 and 7 . Targets are at 2 steerpoints. In this mission, handoff works for all targets.

Despite some statements in posts above, I suspect that the boresighting process executed once per station does not boresight all MAVs.
I will run more tests to exercise the boresighting process.

Edited February 17, 2023 by LeCuvier

[MVS-Viper]

Boresighting is not really working all that great.  Sometimes you can do it on the ground and it works great.  The next day you can follow the exact same procedure on the ground but the mavs will not handoff correctly.  DCS says it is working, but the truth is - it only works sometimes.

The boresight process has not worked correctly since 2.8 was released.  

The only thing that works most of the time are airborne flights. They are boresighted by the game and work really well. 

Edited February 18, 2023 by MVS-Viper

[LeCuvier]

2 hours ago, MVS-Viper said:

The only thing that works most of the time are airborne flights. They are boresighted by the game and work really well. 

 

I agree. Spent hours again to make it work. I'm utterly frustrated and will therefore not say any more.

[silverdevil]

57 minutes ago, LeCuvier said:

I agree. Spent hours again to make it work. I'm utterly frustrated and will therefore not say any more.

bignewy asked for anyone with continuing problems to share a short track. i do not see any tracks posted since he asked.