why no radar warning reciever?

[silent one]

Shame this chopper doesnt have any sort of RWR. No way to tell when your getting painted by radar. I would have thought this would be an essential piece of kit . Maybe it weighs too much? but then the Apache has one ans so does teh Havoc I think... Dont understand its omission.any ideas?

[GGTharos]

It wasn't installed. Just like that.

[Spartan1-1]

Search the forum. Plenty of discussion on this topic. Although it would be nice the modeled version of the Ka-50 is not so equipped. I would not call it a necissity. If you fly below 300m theres a good chance the missiles hitting you are not radar guided but laser/wire/ir guided. Like I said, poke around the forum and you'll find more.

[Jagr]

Don't worry about the RWR.. it has no FLIR targeting.. now THAT is a big item this version is missing. Hard to believe it was made with no night capability.

[Chibawang]

I'm plenty capable at night, in and out of sim. ;)

[sobek]

The OP question sounds so strangely familiar, eh GG? :D

[GGTharos]

Sigh ;)

 

But no, I don't mean to mean or condescending. They simply didn't install an RWR. The reasons are not entirely clear to me, the (real) helicopter just didn't come with one, that is all.

[Jack57]

So what is the helicopter detecting when you get an "under attack" warning?

 

TIA,

Jack :-)

[sobek]

That you're being lased/painted by a rangefinder/designator. It's an LWR, a laser warning receiver.

[Kurtz]

So what is the helicopter detecting when you get an "under attack" warning?

 

TIA,

Jack :-)

 

I think your refering to the "Radio assist" arcade option some miz makers are using in the mission options?

[MBot]

I think it is a fair question and I havent realy seen an answer yet. Why doesn't it have one? Weight?

[Kuky]

Same question crossed my mind as well. It could be that they didn't think they needed one as maybe they don't plan on using the chopper without air superiority in the area?

[AlphaOneSix]

I think it is a fair question and I havent realy seen an answer yet. Why doesn't it have one? Weight?

 

I'm thinking that we'll not see an answer that satisfies you (or me or most anyone else), since nobody on this forum was part of the decision making process. Fact is that nobody here knows definitively why it does not have one. For every seemingly obvious reason, there is probably another that is less obvious.

[hitman]

Someone was just doing rails of Coke when they came up with the idea that the RWR wasnt needed. That should be the extent of the answer one should need for future reference. ;)

[silent one]

Since " search the forums" doesnt answer the question. Just saying "because it doesnt " isnt really helping either. The question is why didnt they put one in. They have the teck why didnt they fit it. Saying in the battlefield they wouldnt use it if there were sams doesnt fit eaither. Radar controlled guns are common and deadly, deployed right on the front line.Having even the most rudementary rwr would be a real boon. If other choppers have one why not this one? Its got to be down to weight , cost or size?

Edited February 3, 2009 by silent one

[uhoh7]

I think it is a fair question and I havent realy seen an answer yet. Why doesn't it have one? Weight?

 

After reading all the previous posts in other threads on the issue, it seems the reason is that what are modeled in the sim are prototypes. A production version would have had RWR, i think there is a place for the hardware and we also know RWR or something like was tested on one KA-50.

 

To me it's no big deal in current threat enviroment as modeled in the sim.

[davyt]

Can this be added as a mod? Seems like the most sensible approach to a feature that might not fit the developer's vision, but is something that noone would be surprised to see equipped on a real life NATO fighting KA-50.

[sobek]

I think the point of this game is to rule out as many what if's as possible, so what the real bs (the one that was used to model the game) does not have, the sim bs cannot get. All you people here bitching about RWR this and FLIR that are missing the point, namely that this game was made to simulate the airframe as realistically as possible, without guesswork. It is IMHO to a great degree this attitude shown by ED that made this product possible, by far the most realistic desktop simulator today that is, and along come the moaners and want another EECH. Seriously people, i don't get it.

 

 

They have the teck why didnt they fit it.

 

For budgetary reasons methinks. The Ka-50, AFAIK, is not used in radar threat environments.

 

 

Edit:

no offense meant to anybody btw.

it's just my 'why no rwr'-thread counter broke this morning because it only runs to 999, so i got a little upset :D

Edited February 3, 2009 by sobek

[Frederf]

Has anyone here actually been hit by a radar-guided SAM in the Ka-50?

[Chizzy101]

After reading all the previous posts in other threads on the issue, it seems the reason is that what are modeled in the sim are prototypes. A production version would have had RWR, i think there is a place for the hardware and we also know RWR or something like was tested on one KA-50.

 

To me it's no big deal in current threat enviroment as modeled in the sim.

 

I think this hits the nail on the head. I read somewhere that there are less than 20 Ka-50's in service. Had the Ka-50 been ordered on the same scale as the Mil Mi-28, I'm sure the production aircraft would have been equipped with a RWR. There just aren't many Ka-50's as it's not the Russian Army's preferred gunship.

[sobek]

I think this hits the nail on the head. I read somewhere that there are less than 20 Ka-50's in service. Had the Ka-50 been ordered on the same scale as the Mil Mi-28, I'm sure the production aircraft would have been equipped with a RWR. There just aren't many Ka-50's as it's not the Russian Army's preferred gunship.

 

Precisely, it's not meant to be used in all out war, there's the mi-28 for that, the current use for the bs is to support special forces troops, if i'm not mistaken.

[silent one]

frederf, I got shot down by a hawk in the ambush senario at 75m altitude. I never even knew it was there untill I checked the tacview acmi after the mission :(

Edited February 3, 2009 by silent one

[BaD CrC]

I would think that radar guidance is not possible on helos doing some tactic flight (very very low) due to the too multiple echos it will get from ground obstacles. But again, most of my flights are between 50 and 200 meters high and my guess is it's high enough for radar guidance.

I don't know if you guys saw some Ka50 cockpit pictures but there is systematically a hidden (big black square on the picture) device attached on the left side of the HUD. Can it be a classified RWR?

[Feuerfalke]

Precisely, it's not meant to be used in all out war, there's the mi-28 for that, the current use for the bs is to support special forces troops, if i'm not mistaken.

 

Heh, if I was mean, I'd say ED wanted to prove to the military customers, that their engine was capable of supporting complex aerodynamic calculations needed for a helo and sell the demo as the BlackShark-Game. After all, they got the contract for the A10C-Simulator after FC AFAIK. :smilewink:

 

Continuing this idea, I guess ED ran into a problem, though, as the lacks in the AI would not make up for the second seat. The logic choice was a single-seated combat helo and the list of this category is rather short. But then, one of the most renown helos in the Eastern world is a single seater, a well known sight on airshows, for it's maneuverability - the BlackShark. The best choice for the project.

 

But it was replaced before it was produced in masses for the front-line and never was equipped for fighting against latest air- and ground-threats officially. But how do you simulate something that is not officially there?

 

 

Well, good thing I'm not mean. I'm glad we have a helo-sim after all, glad it's such a nice chopper and so realistically modelled.

But:

a) after all it's still a game

b) if the BS was faced with a scenario simulated in BS, it would have been fitted with an RWR

c) every mission is a "what if" scenario, because it still is a game, why not make the RWR an option, too?

[CE_Mikemonster]

Heh, if I was mean, I'd say ED wanted to prove to the military customers, that their engine was capable of supporting complex aerodynamic calculations needed for a helo and sell the demo as the BlackShark-Game. After all, they got the contract for the A10C-Simulator after FC AFAIK. :smilewink:

 

Continuing this idea, I guess ED ran into a problem, though, as the lacks in the AI would not make up for the second seat. The logic choice was a single-seated combat helo and the list of this category is rather short. But then, one of the most renown helos in the Eastern world is a single seater, a well known sight on airshows, for it's maneuverability - the BlackShark. The best choice for the project.

 

But it was replaced before it was produced in masses for the front-line and never was equipped for fighting against latest air- and ground-threats officially. But how do you simulate something that is not officially there?

 

 

Well, good thing I'm not mean. I'm glad we have a helo-sim after all, glad it's such a nice chopper and so realistically modelled.

But:

a) after all it's still a game

b) if the BS was faced with a scenario simulated in BS, it would have been fitted with an RWR

c) every mission is a "what if" scenario, because it still is a game, why not make the RWR an option, too?

 

^Wise words

 

As a 'No RWR?' veteran, I recommend you all please see this thread too lol

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=37079

 

 

The way I see it, there are only 12 in service and Russia has no real need for 12 Ka-50's in a conventional war.

 

There is space allocated in the airframe for a RWR on the Ka-50, and it has been tested (unofficially).

 

If the Ka-50 had been mass produced (as a tank killer for the conventional battlefield), an RWR would therefore have been fitted.

 

 

The Ka-50 in Black Shark is therefore true to life, however the application of it in the Oil War campaign is not necessarily so true to life (the campaign is there I presume so you can experience flying it as a tank killer).

 

The subject is indeed a pain in the arse for all involved lol