India/Pakistan Map

[SilentSparrow]

I was seeing other forum posts here where the maps did not simulate IRL battles. So, I remembered the Balakot air strikes and thought that a modern India/Pakistan map would be an accurate battleground. Let me explain.

 

We have a MiG-29 in DCS. The MiG-29S was used until at least 2022, and India had that type in Balakot. Furthermore, an F-16CM with F100 engines would perfectly simulate Pakistani F-16s (They use the AIM-120C-5 that we have in DCS).

And, with the unclassified nature of a SEPECAT Jaguar or a Mirage 2000-5 (With Super 530s or Meteors) the whole scenario could be fleshed out nicely.

The southern border area is largely a desert a la NTTR. So, unlike the annoyingly modern Burj Khalifa in Persian Gulf, that’s not gonna really show in this map even if you start doing VSN F-104 vs MiG-21 scenarios.

Additionally, if the map can go up to Kashmir from Rajasthan, it should. If they make this map it needs to go up to Kashmir due to the warring nature of that area.

The China Assets Pack can help sim a kinda modern China-Pakistan-India war also. So J-11A (which is still used), AI J-10, JF-17, and F-16 vs Mirage 2000-5 and MiG-29 (Possibly including MiG-21 or Su-30 eventually) would be interesting, even more so once you factor in that the F-16 is REDFOR and the MiG-21, MiG-29, and Su-30 (Possibly Eventually) are more BLUFOR.

Even more, the Helo pilots in Indian Mi-8s, Mi-24s, AH-64s, and CH-47Fs will be happy with this map. Did I mention the A-50, Il-76, Il-78, C-130J, and C-17 are all applicable to this map?

So in conclusion, I hope you agree with me on this.

[carss]

On 4/3/2023 at 1:52 PM, SilentSparrow said:

I was seeing other forum posts here where the maps did not simulate IRL battles. So, I remembered the Balakot air strikes and thought that a modern India/Pakistan map would be an accurate battleground. Let me explain.

 

We have a MiG-29 in DCS. The MiG-29S was used until at least 2022, and India had that type in Balakot. Furthermore, an F-16CM with F100 engines would perfectly simulate Pakistani F-16s (They use the AIM-120C-5 that we have in DCS).

And, with the unclassified nature of a SEPECAT Jaguar or a Mirage 2000-5 (With Super 530s or Meteors) the whole scenario could be fleshed out nicely.

The southern border area is largely a desert a la NTTR. So, unlike the annoyingly modern Burj Khalifa in Persian Gulf, that’s not gonna really show in this map even if you start doing VSN F-104 vs MiG-21 scenarios.

Additionally, if the map can go up to Kashmir from Rajasthan, it should. If they make this map it needs to go up to Kashmir due to the warring nature of that area.

The China Assets Pack can help sim a kinda modern China-Pakistan-India war also. So J-11A (which is still used), AI J-10, JF-17, and F-16 vs Mirage 2000-5 and MiG-29 (Possibly including MiG-21 or Su-30 eventually) would be interesting, even more so once you factor in that the F-16 is REDFOR and the MiG-21, MiG-29, and Su-30 (Possibly Eventually) are more BLUFOR.

Even more, the Helo pilots in Indian Mi-8s, Mi-24s, AH-64s, and CH-47Fs will be happy with this map. Did I mention the A-50, Il-76, Il-78, C-130J, and C-17 are all applicable to this map?

So in conclusion, I hope you agree with me on this.

Yes I'd love to see this too although I do believe a central northern India which has Kashmir in the middle, and includes both Pakistani and Chinese borders are included. This would give more range and dynamic for factions and units alike. So many Chinese assets and now modules that are already there plus incoming would have a natural habitat too

[SilentSparrow]

3 hours ago, carss said:

Yes I'd love to see this too although I do believe a central northern India which has Kashmir in the middle, and includes both Pakistani and Chinese borders are included. This would give more range and dynamic for factions and units alike. So many Chinese assets and now modules that are already there plus incoming would have a natural habitat too

I would agree that that is essential. But, it should (if possible) go as far down to Rajasthan as it can. South/Southeast Asia is really interesting.

[bies]

I agree India-Pakistan borded map would be a good choice as there were many real life conflicts in this area with use of military aviation in 1947, 1965, 1971, 1999. Obviously after 1999 anything more than special forces skirmishes became impossible as Pakistan deployed its own nuclear weapon, ending India-Pakistan wars.

But i don't know the post is sarcastic or i don't get it?

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We have a MiG-29 in DCS. The MiG-29S was used until at least 2022, and India had that type in Balakot. Furthermore, an F-16CM with F100 engines would perfectly simulate Pakistani F-16s (They use the AIM-120C-5 that we have in DCS).

And, with the unclassified nature of a SEPECAT Jaguar or a Mirage 2000-5 (With Super 530s or Meteors) the whole scenario could be fleshed out nicely.

The China Assets Pack can help sim a kinda modern China-Pakistan-India war also. So J-11A (which is still used), AI J-10, JF-17, and F-16 vs Mirage 2000-5 and MiG-29 (Possibly including MiG-21 or Su-30 eventually) would be interesting, even more so once you factor in that the F-16 is REDFOR and the MiG-21, MiG-29, and Su-30 (Possibly Eventually) are more BLUFOR.

But we literally don't have that in DCS.

We don't have F-16 with F100 engines like Pakistani F-16A, we have the opposite - F110-GE-129. We don't have SEPECAT Jaguar, nobody even announced one so it is not even being work on. We don't have Mirage 2000-5, Razbam developers stated it's classified and impossible to make, we have early 1990s classic Mirage 2000 and Indian 2000-5 have different avionics even compared to French 2000-5. We don't have Su-30, Su-30 will never be modeled in DCS and it is not being work on, few developers already confirmed it's impossible.

 

Edited April 6, 2023 by bies

[SilentSparrow]

15 hours ago, bies said:

We don't have F-16 with F100 engines like Pakistani F-16A, we have the opposite - F110-GE-129. We don't have SEPECAT Jaguar, nobody even announced one so it is not even being work on. We don't have Mirage 2000-5, Razbam developers stated it's classified and impossible to make, we have early 1990s classic Mirage 2000 and Indian 2000-5 have different avionics even compared to French 2000-5. Let alone Su-30, Su-30 will never be modeled in DCS and it is not being work on, few developers already confirmed it's impossible.

To make an F-16AM or an F-16C Block 52 all that is needed is a Flight Model change. A SEPECAT Jaguar could be made easily to flesh out this scenario. Also, Razbam has stated that the Mirage 2000-5F can be made once other modules are finished. Also, an early-model Rafale with a PESA Radar could be made and the Su-30MKI from Codename Flanker could be used to make the India/Pakistan Map Scenarios come to life. Just like how the VSN F-104 could be used for Cold War vs the MiG-21, another mod steps into the spotlight.

[bies]

9 hours ago, SilentSparrow said:

To make an F-16AM or an F-16C Block 52 all that is needed is a Flight Model change. A SEPECAT Jaguar could be made easily to flesh out this scenario. Also, Razbam has stated that the Mirage 2000-5F can be made once other modules are finished. Also, an early-model Rafale with a PESA Radar could be made and the Su-30MKI from Codename Flanker could be used to make the India/Pakistan Map Scenarios come to life. Just like how the VSN F-104 could be used for Cold War vs the MiG-21, another mod steps into the spotlight.

My mistake. I assumed you are talking about official DCS modules - not fan made MODs. Rafale MOD, F-16 MOD, Mirage 2000-5 MOD, Jaguar MOD.

This way we can make e.g. 2023 Taiwan Strait clash as well: F-22 MOD, F-35 MOD, J-20 MOD, J-11 FC3, J-10 MOD - voilà - we have everything covered, just missing the map...

[SilentSparrow]

2 hours ago, bies said:

My mistake. I assumed you are talking about official DCS modules - not fan made MODs. Rafale MOD, F-16 MOD, Mirage 2000-5 MOD, Jaguar MOD.

This way we can make e.g. 2023 Taiwan Strait clash as well: F-22 MOD, F-35 MOD, J-20 MOD, J-11 FC3, J-10 MOD - voilà - we have everything covered, just missing the map...

F-35 mod? What are you talking about, it's got a terrible cockpit. There are 2 J-20 mods, one that has a great cockpit and no damage model, and one that has a bad cockpit and a damage model. So I don't know how that would work (Unless GR releases his J-20). The J-10 mod is just a reskinned JF-17 anyway. And the Mirage 2000-5, Rafale, and Jaguar I was meaning official modules. The F-16 is only partly a mod (ED makes the F-16C Block 52, but not the F-16D Block 52, that's already been done by IDF Mods Project). The F-16C/D Block 52 will perfectly simulate F-16AM/BM aircraft in Pakistan. And the elephant in the room, the Codename Flanker Su-30MKI (Great Menu Music) is the only aircraft here which I am saying is fully a modded aircraft.

[upyr1]

This would be awesome if we got the Tejas. It is Jef's home.

[SilentSparrow]

1 hour ago, upyr1 said:

This would be awesome if we got the Tejas. It is Jef's home.

Did the Tejas ever have a Mechanical or PESA radar? I hope so but if it never did we likely won’t get it. Unless the devs go J-8PP mode and find some random prototype with an older radar just so we can get the Tejas in DCS.

[upyr1]

1 hour ago, SilentSparrow said:

Did the Tejas ever have a Mechanical or PESA radar? I hope so but if it never did we likely won’t get it. Unless the devs go J-8PP mode and find some random prototype with an older radar just so we can get the Tejas in DCS.

The Tejas mk 1 used a PESA that was developed for the Israeli Levi. If we can't get the Tejas we could get the HAL HF-24 Marut which is from the 60s.

 

[SilentSparrow]

1 hour ago, upyr1 said:

The Tejas mk 1 used a PESA that was developed for the Israeli Levi. If we can't get the Tejas we could get the HAL HF-24 Marut which is from the 60s.

 

Nice! Honestly 99% would prefer a Tejas tho so a pesa tejas would be great.

[upyr1]

4 hours ago, SilentSparrow said:

Nice! Honestly 99% would prefer a Tejas tho so a pesa tejas would be great.

 

 

 

and both would include 100% of the DCS community 

Edited April 7, 2023 by upyr1

[MAXsenna]

I'd love to see this map. It has been proposed many times!

Cheers!

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[SilentSparrow]

We need Gujarat's coast because Naval Ops are a must (INS Vikramaditya with Sea Harriers at least, MiG-29K mod at most). We don't want this to become a NTTR situation where we have a great map but no ocean for Naval Ops. I don't want to sacrifice Kashmir, but if that is what we must do to get Naval Ops without being too resource-intensive like the Syria Map, we have to decide. Because a 900 miles x 900 miles map might be a little too much for the computer.