gulredrel Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 Hello, I guess, it's mostly a thing of not feeling the plane and therefor overcorrecting in the sim. Having a crosswind during takeoff or landing, I tend to overcorrect with NWS even in low gain and get into oscillation. Tried with completely setting the NWS to off with the guarded switch and this is much more helpful as you gain speed fast enough to get rudder authority. I don't think that adding curves or something will help as these will made the rudder less predictable in other situations than takeoff / landing. What are your thoughts about? Thanks Jens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremspropeller Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, gulredrel said: I don't think that adding curves or something will help as these will made the rudder less predictable in other situations than takeoff / landing. What are your thoughts about? Curves might actually make it worse, as the NWS is lagging significantly behinnd the input, so you're bound to use more than necessary on your second correction, leading to a gator-roll in the dirt if you don't manage to get up or get her stopped in time. I haven't found a conclusive fix other than using the killswitch for the NWS or trying very hard at anticipating the aircraft-reaction during my inputs. 1 So ein Feuerball, JUNGE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gulredrel Posted August 2, 2023 Author Share Posted August 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Bremspropeller said: Curves might actually make it worse, as the NWS is lagging significantly behinnd the input, so you're bound to use more than necessary on your second correction, leading to a gator-roll in the dirt if you don't manage to get up or get her stopped in time. I haven't found a conclusive fix other than using the killswitch for the NWS or trying very hard at anticipating the aircraft-reaction during my inputs. Thanks for backing up my theory here. Without feeling the starting movement this anticipation is almost impossible especially in chaning wind conditions. So I'll stick to the NWS kill switch when in heavier crosswinds. Just need a hotkey to enable the NWS again when slowing down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananabrai Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 In the Viggen slight differential breaking is working as well. Could work as well. I always disable the NWS in most planes, F1, M2000, F-15E, F/A-18, F-16... Mostly at 60 knots or even earlier, as soon as I know its rolling relatively straight. 1 Alias in Discord: Mailman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnomechild Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 20 hours ago, gulredrel said: What are your thoughts about? I have no idea how terrible of an idea this would be IRL, but I do the same thing. I don't know if it's just me being new to pedals, or my curve setup, or just me. But the F1 NWS is very dangerous for me on take-off. I can make-do with low gain but have a much easier time taking off with NWS fully disabled. I don't have this issue in any other plane. Even the Mosquito lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gulredrel Posted August 3, 2023 Author Share Posted August 3, 2023 54 minutes ago, gnomechild said: But the F1 NWS is very dangerous for me on take-off. I can make-do with low gain but have a much easier time taking off with NWS fully disabled. Thanks. Exactly what I was thinking. In most if the other jets you have the pinky finger switch on the stick to disable NWS at a certain speed or the Hornet with the paddle. In this I also disable NWS after touchdown on the field and only after having slowed down I enable NWS low gain again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markturner1960 Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 I think its a DCS thing......ground handling of all the modules I own is terrible once you get above taxying speed and there is ANY wind involved........It's like trying to steer a supermarket trolley with a broken wheel and I simply cannot believe that it is that difficult IRL....in fact I know so, as I fly at Shadowlands online school, led by an ex RAF fast jet trainer, Tim Davies, and he says what I say..... Trouble is, I dont really know how best to address it within the sim.....nor it seems does anyone else....... 2 System specs: PC1 :Scan 3XS Ryzen 5900X, 64GB Corsair veng DDR4 3600, EVGA GTX 3090 Win 10, Quest Pro, Samsung Odyssey G9 Neo monitor. Tir5. PC2 ( Helo) Scan 3XS Intel 9900 K, 32 GB Ram, 2080Ti, 50 inch Phillips monitor F/A-18C: Rhino FFB base TianHang F16 grip, Winwing MP 1, F-18 throttle, TO & Combat panels, MFG crosswind & DFB Aces seat Viper: WinWing MFSSB base with F-16 grip, Winwing F-16 throttle, plus Vipergear ICP. MFG crosswind rudders. Helo ( Apache) set up: Virpil collective with AH64D grip, Cyclic : Rhino FFB base & TM F18 grip, MFG crosswind rudders, Total controls AH64 MFD's, TEDAC Unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grim_reaper68 Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 For correction at higher speed, I use small and fast inputs on the brakes to maintain the aircraft on the runway. I always deactivate NWS at the takeoff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booka42 Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 Just my 2 cents: a +25 curve for my Thrustmaster TPR rudders really alleviated this matter for me. Big problem before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nealius Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 On 8/26/2023 at 7:25 PM, markturner1960 said: I think its a DCS thing......ground handling of all the modules I own is terrible once you get above taxying speed and there is ANY wind involved........It's like trying to steer a supermarket trolley with a broken wheel and I simply cannot believe that it is that difficult IRL... I don't remember having steering issues in Piper Cherokees at an airfield that was notorious for crosswinds, but that was decades ago. That said, stay around the forums long enough (and with enough modules) and issues with tire friction modeling in DCS come up quite frequently. Warbirds (notably the K-4), Viper, recently the Tomcat and Apache as well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt_Haddock Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 Same here. I always disable the nose steering under the guard switch before take off. Which doesn't help on landings, as the differential braking is also super efficient and it's really easy to tip over one side of the nose, or, if not using the brakes, veer away from the runway as the rudder does nothing. Sweat inducing in any case! Will try the +25 curve on the rudder. Maybe that's a better solution... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt_Haddock Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 My rudder was already at +35... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremspropeller Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 The moment of truth on landing is when you can't hold the nose up any longer with 75% of rudder in and wondering, what kind of space-magic to perform, to not end up gator-rolling off the runway. NWS on, that is. No matter which gain. 2 So ein Feuerball, JUNGE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvanK Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 Err why would you be wanting to hold the nose off with 75% rudder in ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremspropeller Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 To aerobrake and tracking CL. So ein Feuerball, JUNGE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvanK Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 The fact is once the chute is deployed Aerobraking is of dubious to almost useless value (As shown by Flight test data). Secondly if you have a directional issue you want to get the nose down ASAP.... Tricycle is better than bipedal. Thirdly in most Chute equipped aeroplanes the recommendation is to drop the chute if you run into directional difficulties ... from crosswind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gulredrel Posted October 2, 2023 Author Share Posted October 2, 2023 On long runways you maybe won't use the chute and aerobrake instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremspropeller Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 10 hours ago, IvanK said: The fact is once the chute is deployed Aerobraking is of dubious to almost useless value (As shown by Flight test data). Secondly if you have a directional issue you want to get the nose down ASAP.... Tricycle is better than bipedal. Thirdly in most Chute equipped aeroplanes the recommendation is to drop the chute if you run into directional difficulties ... from crosswind. I'm only throwing the chute after the nose is down. The technique I'm using results from controllability (overcontrolling) issues at high speeds, so I'm trying to keep the nose off as long as possible. I'm not using the chute right away, because experience shows that if the nose comes down at high speed, it's incredibly easy to get into PIO. Especially if the chute tries to weathervane me into the wind. 1 So ein Feuerball, JUNGE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loukuins Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, IvanK said: The fact is once the chute is deployed Aerobraking is of dubious to almost useless value (As shown by Flight test data). Secondly if you have a directional issue you want to get the nose down ASAP.... Tricycle is better than bipedal. Thirdly in most Chute equipped aeroplanes the recommendation is to drop the chute if you run into directional difficulties ... from crosswind. In the manual it's said that it is advised to do airbraking, at least to the ones I have, AFAIK the parachute is not always used since it cost money and the plane can in 90% of the time land without it, also there is a bug when braking the plane will ALWAYS go right or left and shouldn't happen since there is a system to mitigate that in the real plane. The directions issues that most people have is that braking is broken on the F1 since launch sadly... Edited October 2, 2023 by Loukuins 2 My Setup : i5-4690 3.50GHz + 24GB RAM DDR3 1600MHz + MSI RTX 2060 Super Ventus OC + 2 SSD + 4 HDD + Oculus Rift CV1 + TM T.16000M Hotas Super Etendard for Life ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvanK Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 (edited) Drag chute use is best at high speed (once below max deployment speed) max drag effect. Drag Chute use in strong crosswind induces directional control issues. Any time you run into directional control issues you want all your gear on the ground. Aerodynamic braking is of little real effect if the drag chute is deployed Brakes cost more than drag chutes. Edited October 2, 2023 by IvanK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loukuins Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 18 hours ago, IvanK said: Drag chute use is best at high speed (once below max deployment speed) max drag effect. Drag Chute use in strong crosswind induces directional control issues. Any time you run into directional control issues you want all your gear on the ground. Aerodynamic braking is of little real effect if the drag chute is deployed Brakes cost more than drag chutes. The Drag chute is only used with high speed approach, the manual says below 11T on final you don't need the parachute and the brake are the MAIN braking method on the F1. My Setup : i5-4690 3.50GHz + 24GB RAM DDR3 1600MHz + MSI RTX 2060 Super Ventus OC + 2 SSD + 4 HDD + Oculus Rift CV1 + TM T.16000M Hotas Super Etendard for Life ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lesthegrngo Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 (edited) Just seen this topic after seeing exactly the same with my MFG Crosswind pedals on the A10. During taxi, if I breathe on the pedals it will veer that way. The old Saitek pedals were nowhere near as sensitive. I've tried adjusting the axis in controls, adding a curve with very little sensitivity around d the center but it seems to make no difference in game So there is no way to set NWS sensitivity as a separate parameter? Les Edited October 8, 2023 by lesthegrngo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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