[ADD ON] Flight Instructor Module

[SOLIDKREATE]

I think there should be a module that allows someone designated as s flight instructor the ability see and interact with the student and controls (by permissions setting). This would be for the function of the aircraft only and will not have the ability to stop the game or troll the student.

The module would allow the student the ability to input the gamer tag of the Flight Instructor and the server where the training takes place. These conditions must be set in the game. The instructor would request permission from the student and the student will acknowledge either ‘give control’ or ‘deny control’. Much like how Microsoft Teams works.

The instructor will have the ability to point to and highlight switches but not actually control anything unless that setting is toggled in the game settings. I think this type of module would be value added and provide a better and more realistic way to train. This would apply to squadron and public severs with the word ‘Training’ in the server name. The module will actually verify this condition. Or the server owner can toggle 'Allow Flight Instructor'.

Edited August 9, 2023 by SOLIDKREATE
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[SharpeXB]

The idea of anyone needing training or personal instruction at a video game is a bit ridiculous. DCS modules only requires a high school level of reading comprehension to learn. And it’s a game, not real life. It’s ok if you screw up. You don’t need a flight instructor handholding you in a make-believe airplane. 

Edited August 7, 2023 by SharpeXB

[Ironhand]

57 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

The idea of anyone needing training or instruction at a video game is a bit laughable. DCS modules only requires a high school level of reading comprehension to learn. And it’s a game, not real life. It’s ok if you screw up. You don’t need a flight instructor handholding you in a make-believe airplane. 

 

Perhaps he’d just like to screw something up once, instead of multiple times, before he’s able to realize what he’s doing wrong. Just a thought.

[SharpeXB]

45 minutes ago, Ironhand said:

Perhaps he’d just like to screw something up once, instead of multiple times, before he’s able to realize what he’s doing wrong. Just a thought.

It’s a game. Screw up as much as you like. 

[Ironhand]

27 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

It’s a game. Screw up as much as you like. 

He’d like to do it only once.

[ShuRugal]

2 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

The idea of anyone needing training or personal instruction at a video game is a bit ridiculous. DCS modules only requires a high school level of reading comprehension to learn. And it’s a game, not real life. It’s ok if you screw up. You don’t need a flight instructor handholding you in a make-believe airplane. 

 

This is a dumb take, even for these forums.

In the first place, These aircraft have very complex systems which can take a very long time to master.  Real world pilots of these aircraft put in hundreds of hours per year to achieve and maintain the proficiency in them required to excel in combat operations.  Various militaries around the world invest hundreds of hours of instructor-driven training to get pilots to a point where going out and practicing will be more helpful than harmful.

In the second place, why the <profanity> do you care how other people play the game?  Giving and receiving instruction can both be extremely rewarding experiences.  Even ignoring the first point entirely, that makes a hypothetical CFI/IP module attractive to many people.

[SharpeXB]

32 minutes ago, ShuRugal said:

Real world pilots of these aircraft put in hundreds of hours per year to achieve and maintain the proficiency in them required to excel in combat operations. 

it’s a game! I can teach myself to fly a helicopter in DCS because it’s not real I can watch YouTube and crash a lot till I I get it right. It’s ok cause it’s not real!

Those real world pilots need to excel because what they’re doing is real. We aren’t. It’s a game.

32 minutes ago, ShuRugal said:

In the second place, why the <profanity> do you care how other people play the game?

I don’t care about how other people play I just care about ideas that would be a waste of resources IMO. 

Edited August 7, 2023 by SharpeXB

[SOLIDKREATE]

I believe SharpieXB needs to re-read the rules @NineLine

Specifically 1.2, 1.4 and 1.10

https://forum.dcs.world/guidelines/

Edited August 7, 2023 by SOLIDKREATE

[ShuRugal]

20 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

I don’t care about how other people play I just care about ideas that would be a waste of resources IMO. 

 

well, go ahead and make your offer to Nick Grey, I'm sure he'd appreciate any funds you wish to donate to fund research and development into your module of choice.

[SharpeXB]

9 minutes ago, ShuRugal said:

well, go ahead and make your offer to Nick Grey, I'm sure he'd appreciate any funds you wish to donate to fund research and development into your module of choice.

Well I prefer not to fund an Instructor Module. 

Edited August 7, 2023 by SharpeXB

[Ironhand]

1 hour ago, SharpeXB said:

I don’t care about how other people play I just care about ideas that would be a waste of resources IMO. 

Why not let ED decide what is a waste of their time? Who appointed you the gatekeeper?

[ShuRugal]

1 hour ago, SharpeXB said:

Well I prefer not to fund an Instructor Module. 

 

Then you have the option to not purchase it.  see how easy that is?

[SharpeXB]

32 minutes ago, Ironhand said:

Why not let ED decide what is a waste of their time? Who appointed you the gatekeeper?

That’s just my vote. Everybody gets one. 

20 minutes ago, ShuRugal said:

Then you have the option to not purchase it.  see how easy that is?

Yep. Perfectly capable of teaching myself. 

[Ironhand]

1 hour ago, SharpeXB said:

That’s just my vote. Everybody gets one. 

So far, you've "voted" four times.

[SharpeXB]

17 minutes ago, Ironhand said:

So far, you've "voted" four times.

Five now

[Furiz]

4 hours ago, Ironhand said:

Why not let ED decide what is a waste of their time? Who appointed you the gatekeeper?

I think ED already decided since this was asked already and they kinda skipped on the idea.

[draconus]

7 hours ago, SOLIDKREATE said:

I believe SharpieXB needs to re-read the rules @NineLine

Specifically 1.2, 1.4 and 1.10

You're wrong. No rules were broken by him, otoh other user used <profanity> words. Misspelling usernames is not a good behavior either.

According to this guide you should appreciate any feedback given as it increases the post count and chances of the wish to stand out.

[MAXsenna]

According to this guide you should appreciate any feedback given as it increases the post count and chances of the wish to stand out.

That's actually a very fair, but also very funny point.

I vote yes!


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[cfrag]

I like the idea of an instructor pilot, because even if people may be able to teach themselves a lot, it often goes faster, is more efficient, and teaches better practices when you have someone experienced who watches you and gives you feedback. How do I know? I used a pro to help me become a better player back when I used to play competition in a team, I used a pro to help me learn rowing and not hurt my back, and of course I had pro who regularly went with me flying and pointed out bad habits that I seemed to have developed (example: yelling out 'gear down, three green lights' without actually checking).

Also, and not to put too fine a point on this, the modules in DCS change often, and what worked a year ago may not work after a patch, and it would help if I had someone looking over my shoulder who can tell me what to do - e.g. when the way that you acquire targets in the Horne's ground radar has changed.

Now, I believe DCS has everything in place to have a virtual instructor flying with you - the 'tracks' system. What I'm suggesting is that anyone in a multiplayer environment can, should the pilot agree' sign up to see that pilot's track in real-time, a 'live track feed', so to speak: the instructor sits where the pilot sits, hears what the pilot hears, can watch all the instruments and see where the pilot is pointing to - but the instructor cannot interact, just watch and provide feedback (through whatever audio connection they have, skype, teamspeak, discord, whatever). This can be tremendously helpful in many situations (correct procedures for carriers, for example), and even be fun. And hopefully, it will be easy to implement. But it's definitely not for everyone. 

[Slippa]

I don’t think it’s a bad idea. Could be rewarding for all parties and a fair bit of fun. More to simulate for the simulator.

[Silver_Dragon]

Instructor pilot is already available in certain trainers, if with another player playing that role.

 

[cfrag]

11 minutes ago, Silver_Dragon said:

Instructor pilot is already available in certain trainers

Indeed. I interpret OP's suggestion to be a general instructor module, that allows the instructor to "sit in" with any plane, not just the trainer aircraft we have (e.g. Albatros). OP's silent on if the instructor has to own the module they are sitting in on, and I think that's a given. So, in my mind, we are talking about a tech module that allows people to "sit in" other player's cockpit and observe, without controlling the plane (that would open too many avenues for exploits, so I'm hoping for an 'observer only' module). I'd love such a module - in multiple ways. As observer, I can also learn a lot from the way other people do their maneuvers/procedures: watching a friend of mine fly the Huey was an eye-opener for me, that literally saved me hours of trial-and-error-type attempts at autorotation and ship-bound landings. A single "whoa, what did you just do", and listening to the explanation is often all that it takes to make a procedure click with you. 

So, I'd love to have the option (even if I had to purchase such a module, fair is fair) to sit in on other people's experiences in real-time.