Your Love - DCS F15E or F16C ?

[Rainmaker]

10 minutes ago, Beirut said:

 

I am joyfully impervious to your negative waves, baby. 

 

My big fat GBU-28s will not only make me smile, but actually make my bourbon even more delicious. 

Well hopefully your joy can somehow raise the amount of explosive in them otherwise…you might be disappointed. 
 

And she not fat. She not even big boned. 

[Beirut]

33 minutes ago, Rainmaker said:

Well hopefully your joy can somehow raise the amount of explosive in them otherwise…you might be disappointed. 
 

And she not fat. She not even big boned. 

 

Alas, my joy overwhelmeth your negative waves. For she is not just fat, but Reubenesque and prone to targeted detonations. 

 

All is right, and I forgive you. 

[commo81]

I wish I could answer but I cannot get either aircraft off the ground as it will not let me assign axis for either aircraft to my joystick. No problems with other aircraft, just the F15C and E.

[Ala12Rv-Tundra]

6 hours ago, commo81 said:

I wish I could answer but I cannot get either aircraft off the ground as it will not let me assign axis for either aircraft to my joystick. No problems with other aircraft, just the F15C and E.

Tell us more or open a new thread in the Bugs section

[Braunn]

F15E is still early access and will probably see a butt load of changes and fixes before a full release. Too early to even compare the two IMO. 

[Beirut]

4 hours ago, Braunn said:

F15E is still early access and will probably see a butt load of changes and fixes before a full release. Too early to even compare the two IMO. 

 

I think it's a question of style. One is a lightweight fighter and the other is a "heavyweight" bomber. Granted they can both do multirole, but if you want to chase down and dogfight some Migs, I'm guessing you take the F-16. And if you want to carry a bunch of MK84s from here to way over there, I'd say you take the F-15E.

 

I'll take the F-15E. 

[INDY69]

Dark Grey all the way.  I'll second that GBU28 comment Beirut.  5K lbs of hate is always fun to let loose and definitely makes the bourbon taste better.

[commo81]

16 hours ago, Ala12Rv-Tundra said:

Tell us more or open a new thread in the Bugs section

So when I click on axis assign it does nothing and will not let me assign rudder pedals to rudder or brake pedals to brakes unless I add them as "buttons" in which you can see the slider move when you click on axis tune. If I go to my f14 or anything else I am able to assign pedal axis to brakes and rudder axis to rudder, etc. only the F15s do this where I cannot click axis assign. I've tried reinstalling and even use the beta now and no difference. 

[Steel Jaw]

my love?  F18C…most versatile of them all,

[Beirut]

4 hours ago, Steel Jaw said:

my love?  F18C…most versatile of them all,

 

You Canadians and your F-18s, what a bunch of...

 

Oh, wait a second! 

 

But if you had to patrol the north, all that gas in the F-15E, not to mention the pleasure of conversation or a nap, might be nice. But I do like the F-18. Therio has a nice CadPat skin for it. He's making one for the F-15E too. 

[Lace]

Surely this question could be rephrased - "Did you grow up playing Falcon 3.0 or Strike Eagle II?"

It's a tough one.  If our Viper had the LANTIRN capability it would be a no-brainer, as I do like the TFR capability of the mud-hen, even if we don't have it available to us yet.  The biggest negative for the mud hen is the two seat thing.  I know it is possible to fly single-pilot, but I feel you do need a (human) back seater to get the best from it, and to operate it the way MD and the USAF intended.

So at the moment, the Viper is slightly ahead.  

[Weaponz248]

Up until the 15E release, I was all about the 16.  It was the most familiar due to the Falcon series. It also gave the speed that the A-10C couldn't.   The F-18 was kind of foreign to me. 

 

Fast forward to now, The F-15E is my fav and has made the F-18 and AV-8B more exciting as well.  The 16 just can't handle the weapons loadouts the 15 and 18 can. 

 

McDonnell Douglas did an amazing job making aircraft.  I love the way the systems work in their jets.  

[Braunn]

On 9/1/2023 at 10:15 PM, Beirut said:

 

I think it's a question of style. One is a lightweight fighter and the other is a "heavyweight" bomber. Granted they can both do multirole, but if you want to chase down and dogfight some Migs, I'm guessing you take the F-16. And if you want to carry a bunch of MK84s from here to way over there, I'd say you take the F-15E.

 

I'll take the F-15E. 

As he was talking about handling and all that stuff I assumed he meant it as it is today. But sure, for taking loads of stuff and destroy small towns, F-15 all the way. BVR also should be a no contest when it's closer to finished.  I like it. Going to be my second love probably. But not as an early access bird. 

[Beirut]

37 minutes ago, Braunn said:

As he was talking about handling and all that stuff I assumed he meant it as it is today. But sure, for taking loads of stuff and destroy small towns, F-15 all the way. BVR also should be a no contest when it's closer to finished.  I like it. Going to be my second love probably. But not as an early access bird. 

 

Now of course we have to ask what your first love is. 

[Braunn]

23 hours ago, Beirut said:

 

Now of course we have to ask what your first love is. 

Riddle me this: In my first love, I always take off on mil power unless the runway is very short, regardless of loadout. 

[Nealius]

I have both as well. My "first love" so to speak was the F-16 from flight sims before DCS. Loved the SEAD role, loved the tight, high-G turn capability, and the HOTAS ergonomics. But in DCS I just don't click with it as well anymore because my control inputs come out really mushy and imprecise, like I'm fighting with the FLCS instead of working with it. Then came along the DCS F-14 and the raw man-machine link, feeling like the plane reads my mind before I even move the stick. The F-15E fits that too, but with more ordnance, more BVR capability, low-level night capability, and no faffing about with an AI in the back seat to get a task done. I pretty much only fly two-seat tennis courts now. 

[Dauntless]

Both is good! 

[Hiob]

F-16 always fits like a sneaker when I jump in. And I grew up with Falcon 3.0. So if I had to choose, it would be the Viper. Luckily I don't have to.  

[OldFlyer]

I'm really enjoying the F-15E but don't fly it as much as the Viper and the Hornet.

Hornet is my overall favourite.

Perhaps once the F-15E gets JDAMs and a better TGP it could possibly become my favourite but for now Hornet is it

I enjoy them all!

[Beirut]

4 hours ago, Braunn said:

Riddle me this: In my first love, I always take off on mil power unless the runway is very short, regardless of loadout. 

 

Yak-52?  

[Art-J]

On 9/1/2023 at 4:00 AM, commo81 said:

I wish I could answer but I cannot get either aircraft off the ground as it will not let me assign axis for either aircraft to my joystick. No problems with other aircraft, just the F15C and E.

All post release control problems reported in Mudhen forum were caused by old flyable F-15E mods (or some leftovers of theirs) being present on affected players' PCs. If both Eagles share the same problem on yours, that's what I'd look into first.

[Yeti42]

The F15E is still missing a lot of functionality and still needs tweaking in certain areas, right now the F16 wins hands down even in the A2G role due to a full weapons suite, almost fully functional radar and better situational awareness capabilities due to data link. Not really a fair comparison at the moment, let's see how the F15E evolves.

[Miro]

54 minutes ago, Yeti42 said:

The F15E is still missing a lot of functionality and still needs tweaking in certain areas, right now the F16 wins hands down even in the A2G role due to a full weapons suite, almost fully functional radar and better situational awareness capabilities due to data link. Not really a fair comparison at the moment, let's see how the F15E evolves.

Dlink should be one of the first things added, even before the TF radar, so the pilot can survive on modern-era servers. Without Link, when I look at the statistics of some servers, the F-15E is falling like leaves from trees in autumn.

[Braunn]

Regarding Link16, it's not all hallelujah IMO. I use it mainly for tactical <profanity> and locating wing members. What do you do when a server dont have AWACS? I bet the Mudhen radar and IFF will be more than sufficient in a few updates and nobody should really miss datalink then. 

[Miro]

7 hours ago, Braunn said:

Regarding Link16, it's not all hallelujah IMO. I use it mainly for tactical <profanity> and locating wing members. What do you do when a server dont have AWACS? I bet the Mudhen radar and IFF will be more than sufficient in a few updates and nobody should really miss datalink then. 

Datalink is announced in the future, if there is no AWACS on the server, then no one has a global Datalink, if it is, I don't have it in the F-15E, and the F-16, 18, Mirage 2000 and even the SU-27 have them, although FC3 aircraft are not I count as full-fledged modules. Two pieces of F-16 without AWACS are able to handle a larger number of F-15E without a problem, one highlights, transmits with Datalink, and the other sneaks up and shoots down one by one. On modern era servers, this is a very important factor affecting the survivability of the crew on the battlefield, much more than TF radar, which we get sooner than Dlink...