reported Spotting dot bugs in VR

[PawlaczGMD]

7 hours ago, zerO_crash said:

I said I can potentially spot at 30nm+, but it is not something that is consistent. Typically, the target has to fly high, albeit not too high (in the right part of atmosphere (background) relative to my position). I am not certain this is related to redolution scaling, as HP G2 is 2160x2160, which isn't a big difference vs. your Pimax. This becomes even more true, when you consider Pimax having yhat resolution on bigges screens due to the increased FOV. This taken into account, the PPI would be more similar, if not almost the same. 
 

I have an unusuably good sight, so I'm not sure if all G2-users can see as well. Still, I'd wait to see with the next updates if it improves for you. 6nm sounds incredibly poor to me. I presume that you have confirmed that your Pimax is setup properly?

 

For reference, if you've every looked up at the sky and seen a passanger plane fly, being recall the size of the aircraft and its altitude (skyradar), you can basically make some extrapolations. What is the smallest part of the aircraft that you can reliably discern, and how big is that part of the plane. You'll quickly come up with the fact (assuming you have 20/20 or better eye sight) that 6nm in DCS for a fighter jet-sized target, is actually pretty poor.

It might not be just resolution, but keep in mind that pixel density of the Crystal is actually around double that of G2 due to it scaling as an area (square law), so I wouldn't say that it isn't big. The actual resolution rendered is also larger than nominal pixel resolution due to how VR is distorted, so it might be even larger than that. The difference in FOV is not large at all.

And yes, I agree that 6nm is a poor visibility result, that's why I'm complaining about the way the game is rendered for me. I believe my Pimax is set up properly, this is the only visual issue I have. I will try to tune some in-game AA options, and try to reduce the VR resolution to see if it makes a difference. I don't want to go below 100% resolution though, as it just makes the game look noticeably worse.

[zerO_crash]

7 hours ago, PawlaczGMD said:

It might not be just resolution, but keep in mind that pixel density of the Crystal is actually around double that of G2 due to it scaling as an area (square law), so I wouldn't say that it isn't big. The actual resolution rendered is also larger than nominal pixel resolution due to how VR is distorted, so it might be even larger than that. The difference in FOV is not large at all.

And yes, I agree that 6nm is a poor visibility result, that's why I'm complaining about the way the game is rendered for me. I believe my Pimax is set up properly, this is the only visual issue I have. I will try to tune some in-game AA options, and try to reduce the VR resolution to see if it makes a difference. I don't want to go below 100% resolution though, as it just makes the game look noticeably worse.

Well, with dynamic foveated rendering ( Pimax - Quadviews) you'll get that increased resolution. Not really familiar with their nomenclature. Anyways, you could indeed try out lowering the resolution/turn off Quadviews to see if that bears any effect. 
 

In essence, a display has fixed amount of pixels, thus anything claiming improved native resolution (Quadviews), is simply interlacing the picture for a better grand effect. Still, the upscaling can in certain instances provoke graphical glitches.

[josef]

On 8/12/2024 at 3:14 AM, draconus said:

What did you expect? An "I'm here!" banner? You confirm that you can see F-16 at 10nm which is already beyond very good RL visibility.

Hoping for what? I hope that, like the old version, in VR mode ,you can catch a glimpse of the black dot of a moving fighter in a visual air battle on a clear day within 10 nautical miles.

Instead of pointing to a screenshot, “look, isn't the plane somewhere”, it's certainly easy to look at a picture and find the black spot, whereas in a game, who stops and waits for you?

If the current version is better, then why are some of the most crowded cold war servers that used to rely on visual combat, now has no players？

 

Edited September 3, 2024 by josef

[zildac]

I have to be honest I do very little A2A mainly because I can't see a damn thing Varjo Aero and Varjo Foveated.

[YoYo]

5 hours ago, josef said:

Hoping for what? I hope that, like the old version

What does "old" version mean? Old version was useless, what was in 2023 and earlier. I hope you're not writing about "v.1 improved dot" from last year's November, i.e. big box dot, which was a complete failure. The current v2 version of Improved dot is the best version of all. It's not perfect, but it's definitely a step in the best possible direction. 

Edited September 3, 2024 by YoYo

[YoYo]

5 hours ago, josef said:

If the current version is better, then why are some of the most crowded cold war servers that used to rely on visual combat, now has no players？

You think that only people in VR are flying on this server and that's the reason? Congratulations if you draw such far-reaching conclusions. 

[josef]

15 hours ago, YoYo said:

You think that only people in VR are flying on this server and that's the reason? Congratulations if you draw such far-reaching conclusions. 

You think? Congrats on thinking that's not why it's important.

You must be Hartman reborn, looking far ahead.

19 hours ago, YoYo said:

What does "old" version mean? Old version was useless, what was in 2023 and earlier. I hope you're not writing about "v.1 improved dot" from last year's November, i.e. big box dot, which was a complete failure. The current v2 version of Improved dot is the best version of all. It's not perfect, but it's definitely a step in the best possible direction. 

 

The number of server players doesn't support your point, you're just talking to yourself

[YoYo]

2 hours ago, josef said:

You think? Congrats on thinking that's not why it's important.

You must be Hartman reborn, looking far ahead.

The number of server players doesn't support your point, you're just talking to yourself

DCS is not War Thunder, we need realism here, if you have too big problem to find everything maybe take servers with icons. It solves your all „issues”. Im follow you on this topic from long time and never you did here a track with examples, screenshots, real data ect. I personally see air targets on blue sky from 14 nm, also I added the real data with visibility raport of jet pilots. You never took a stance on this. The only thing you keep repeating is that you don't see anything and everything is wrong. I don't understand this approach, sorry.

[josef]

22 hours ago, YoYo said:

DCS is not War Thunder, we need realism here, if you have too big problem to find everything maybe take servers with icons. It solves your all „issues”. Im follow you on this topic from long time and never you did here a track with examples, screenshots, real data ect. I personally see air targets on blue sky from 14 nm, also I added the real data with visibility raport of jet pilots. You never took a stance on this. The only thing you keep repeating is that you don't see anything and everything is wrong. I don't understand this approach, sorry.

While I don't play War Thunder, just as a reminder, DCS is also just a game,no more noble than WT.

I've said everything I needed to say about the situation, you just didn't read it. I've been playing DCS for a long time, not for lack of comparison.

Since we can't agree on anything, there's no need for you to respond to my narrative.

[KoN]

There is a problem with spotting there are pages and pages of it . Some say its good now more say its not . And most people that play completive , play on flat screen and with trackir . 

VR looks amazing sat in cockpit but the out side world in dcs does not represent what we see with our own eyes in real life .

What im saying here is , 2.9 has some sort of fog and light source surrounding your world environment in VR , its blurry and messy .

At 1km i should be able to see a contact that hovering at 1000m against a clear blue sky , Yet i cant .

Defend DCS all you want , it just means no more money from me its that simple .

Things just don't get fixed that are important to the community or shall i say it me  . How long has this spotting topic been going on . !!!! 

Yet fire up another sim and just look at that i can see all .

DCS should not be at this state , at $80 for a module yet pages and pages of complaints . 

You are wasting time and resources on things that no one asked for .

We didn't ask for pilot reworks ,

we didn't ask for mission make overs .

We didn't ask for Cows or sheep and train spotting . 

Start to listen to your community . 

Edited September 15, 2024 by KoN

[draconus]

1 hour ago, KoN said:

At 1km i should be able to see a contact that hovering at 1000m against a clear blue sky , Yet i cant .

You almost reported some detail finally. Now tell us what helicopter you couldn't see?

1 hour ago, KoN said:

We didn't ask for pilot reworks ,

we didn't ask for mission make overs .

We didn't ask for Cows or sheep and train spotting .

Please speak for yourself.

[YoYo]

Radar is no longer needed. I see the air target from 30 nm and the big dot is back .

[Bounti30]

1 hour ago, YoYo said:

Radar is no longer needed. I see the air target from 30 nm and the big dot is back .

The same for me

[YoYo]

It looks even worse in night vision goggles. While the previous system was a step forward, now it's two steps back. Also, ground objects now have large dots, which has lost the effect of surprise. I don't really know why they touched it again. Now you can see everything like in your hand, and at a closer distance the large dot disappears and the LOD of the model loads, which is less visible. So we have what we used to have in my opinion.

[AhSoul]

I get a big black block even when I can actually see the wings of the aircraft I'm looking at !!!

[Bounti30]

2 minutes ago, YoYo said:

It looks even worse in night vision goggles. While the previous system was a step forward, now it's two steps back. Also, ground objects now have large dots, which has lost the effect of surprise. I don't really know why they touched it again. Now you can see everything like in your hand, and at a closer distance the large dot disappears and the LOD of the model loads, which is less visible. So we have what we used to have in my opinion.

Exactly the same with the option activated or not

dcs.log

DxDiag.txtoptions.lua

[Parkour]

2 hours ago, Bounti30 said:

Exactly the same with the option activated or not

I can confirm the same issue. The GAMEPLAY option makes no difference when trying to turn Improved Spotting Dots OFF.

[Turbonix]

Yes, same for me! These new and according to the change log "improved" spotting dots technology is just terrible and absolutely breaking immersion in VR! 

And it doesn´t make any difference to enable or disable the option for "improved spotting dots" in the main menu.
I played around with different resolutions settings, DLSS, DLAA but nothing seems to improve this mess.

AMD 7800X3D
RTX4080
64GB RAM 6000Mhz
Quest 3
OpenXR 
Win11

[MAXsenna]

And obviously these are visible through clouds, reflections, airframes etc.
Cheers!

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[edudix]

Hey Guys. The same for me since the new Monday (30 October) update.

VR playing META QUEST 3 headset.

It happens to me not only with the aircrafts but with ground vehicles too.

It seems that the spot ON/OFF does not work has no effect. I had this issue in the past and it was solved but now I´m suffering the same issue. I believe is more aggressive than before.

I´ve tried in DSLL/DLAA and MSAAx4 and although in MSAA is less perceptible, the effect is still there.

Does anyone posted or find any solution?

[TCKnight]

another time...please fix. g2VR..only VR

Il 30/09/2024 at 22:38, YoYo ha scritto:

Sembra ancora peggio con gli occhiali per la visione notturna. Mentre il sistema precedente era un passo avanti, ora è due passi indietro. Inoltre, gli oggetti a terra ora hanno grandi punti, il che ha perso l'effetto sorpresa. Non so davvero perché l'abbiano toccato di nuovo. Ora puoi vedere tutto come se lo avessi in mano, e a una distanza più ravvicinata il grande punto scompare e il LOD del modello si carica, il che è meno visibile. Quindi abbiamo quello che avevamo prima, secondo me.

They touched it, because the 2d players cried.... @BIGNEWY please...

Edited October 2, 2024 by TCKnight

[SharpeXB]

5 minutes ago, TCKnight said:

They touched it, because the 2d players cried....

No, it seems to me like the VR players were the ones crying 

[TCKnight]

Adesso, SharpeXB ha scritto:

No, mi sembra che fossero i giocatori VR a piangere 

No, we can't complain. In the last few patches, they had improved the situation. Now they've made it worse. They just need to re-enable the option. It doesn't work at the moment. 

[Robi Hobby]

Improved Spotting dots!  , 

I really can't believe that the Game is broken again!  A catastrophe in VR!  
 

Can you turn it off manually in a file somewhere. 

[YoYo]

7 minutes ago, Robi Hobby said:

Improved Spotting dots!  , 

I really can't believe that the Game is broken again!  A catastrophe in VR!  
 

Can you turn it off manually in a file somewhere. 

Unfortunately no, I was sincerely hoping that something would be changed in this Hotfix today, that this turned out to be a mistake, but well, unfortunately no.