Wags interview 27th November 2023

[AKULA_OPTIMUS]

54 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

read it again, he said its not the right time to start when the c isnt finished. 

 

? That´s what I´m saying, they are constantly allocating resources elsewhere, when products with years in the market are still not finished. It does no matter what the plane is.

And there will never be a F-18D, lets be honest 

[BIGNEWY]

10 minutes ago, AKULA_OPTIMUS said:

? That´s what I´m saying, they are constantly allocating resources elsewhere, when products with years in the market are still not finished

work on the F/A-18C and the F-16C has not stopped, they are both active projects and nearing the end of production. These projects take a lot of time, nothing will change that. 

Wags said they are not starting anything else while the projects are active, the teams continue to work on them.

[okopanja]

3 hours ago, BMS said:

What's news about MIG-29 FF module?

Someone asked Wags about sukhois, and answer was that there may be a red FF in the line. 29 has be not directly confirmed.

For everyone who did not listen the full interview, in a way from cheerful mood at some point things ventured into areas that were more darker and related to interpersonal relationship both at work, side activities and online communities and social networks. I will not comment on that further, but I must say that this part actually made me think and compare. At the end I could say nothing but to agree with them (I hope they read this).

Sadly, I believe that many people missed therefore the important things Wags said toward end of the interview.

[SuperKermit]

vor 19 Stunden schrieb Buzz313th:

2. No F15C FF planned

That's a pity!

F-15A maybe?

[AKULA_OPTIMUS]

6 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

work on the F/A-18C and the F-16C has not stopped, they are both active projects and nearing the end of production. These projects take a lot of time, nothing will change that. 

Wags said they are not starting anything else while the projects are active, the teams continue to work on them.

That´s not the question, of course they are still active, no one is denying that, but that work is taking a lot of time precisely because the resources allocated in those projects, are way less each time. And thats what I´m trying to say, it does not matter if one project is finished or not in order to start a new one, because is what ED does constatly and the reason why almost everything seems like an eternal early acess.

[BIGNEWY]

2 minutes ago, AKULA_OPTIMUS said:

That´s not the question, of course they are still active, no one is denying that, but that work is taking a lot of time precisely because the resources allocated in those projects, are way less each time. And thats what I´m trying to say, it does not matter if one project is finished or not in order to start a new one, because is what ED does constatly and the reason why almost everything seems like an eternal early acess.

I think you have been around here long enough to know without long development cycles this kind of work would not be possible. But lets not derail this thread. 

thanks

[Buzz313th]

6 minutes ago, SuperKermit said:

That's a pity!

F-15A maybe?

I hope a 3rd party dev takes the opportunity. 

[Goose489]

17 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

work on the F/A-18C and the F-16C has not stopped, they are both active projects and nearing the end of production. These projects take a lot of time, nothing will change that. 

Wags said they are not starting anything else while the projects are active, the teams continue to work on them.

He didn't ask if the were still working on it he stated that there was probably not going to be an F-18D.

Will they ever make an F-16EX or F-15EX?

[SuperKermit]

vor 3 Minuten schrieb Buzz313th:

I hope a 3rd party dev takes the opportunity. 

Yes, hopefully! Same goes for the F-16A!

[Buzz313th]

17 minutes ago, okopanja said:

Someone asked Wags about sukhois, and answer was that there may be a red FF in the line. 29 has be not directly confirmed.

For everyone who did not listen the full interview, in a way from cheerful mood at some point things ventured into areas that were more darker and related to interpersonal relationship both at work, side activities and online communities and social networks. I will not comment on that further, but I must say that this part actually made me think and compare. At the end I could say nothing but to agree with them (I hope they read this).

Sadly, I believe that many people missed therefore the important things Wags said toward end of the interview.

I had to go pick up my daughter and stepped away with 50 min left.  I'll have a listen to the rest, sounds like a good topic.

[Gunfreak]

6 hours ago, nachinus said:

20. ED is currently working on WWII assets and more specifically for the Marianas map.  Naval assets mentioned for WWII Naval Aviation.

28. No planned Japanese aircraft modules or assets for WWII period.

 

Mmmmmh, this is confusing. What's the point of working in a Marianas WWII map without anything Japanese? I understand no playable modules, but no assets whatsoever?. Is this map intended just for training and sightseeing?

Mag3 seems to be planning on at least 1 AI Japanese aircraft (zero) with possibly 1 more based on not very clear hype pictures) mag3 is also making some Japanese ground assets. Might be mag 3 will add Japanese assets and ED Ameican assets 

 

 

 

Edited November 29, 2023 by Gunfreak

[Omega1-1]

Oh boy! I am very thankfully that i am not a developer. You can never please everyone! Imagine ED would do what the community wants, they would need 1000-2000 programmers etc. But when it comes to the price, "uh, uh.... it's too expensive, no way i buy that.."

We also complain about the long development of aircraft, like example the F/A-18C. Well, i understand that very good. It's a full fidelity mod, you can't make this in 2 weeks. And not only that, they have also other stuff to do, to fix etc. Why people don't understand the process of development?

I would say this to ED: Take your time, set your priority as it's needed. When you have resources, use it. Step by step. DCS is already top-notch, this level you guys reached is behind imagination and sadly not all the community see that. It can become only better and i support you guy.

PS: For those who complain about new fighter jets and then asking why new jets and the older ones are not finished yet? Well those are mostly from 3rd Party and however, they have to care about financial part too. They don't work for free, i don't work for free and you also not. We should support ED, because if they are out of business, what is left? MFS20? BMS? Come on guys... And imagine a replacement of ED would come, then we have to wait again 10-15 years to reach the ED level... You have no idea, how much ED is important for those, who love military aircraft. 

Anyway, i wanted to write short text, but i wrote a book 

Thank you 

 

[YoYo]

1 hour ago, Gunfreak said:

Mag3 seems to be planning on at least 1 AI Japanese aircraft (zero) with possibly 1 more based on not very clear hype pictures) mag3 is also making some Japanese ground assets. Might be mag 3 will add Japanese assets and ED Ameican assets 

 

 

 

 

Maybe. Id like to know too. F4U 1D Corsair without any Japanese air opponent make no sens and it would be some kind of misunderstanding.

Edited November 29, 2023 by YoYo

[Badger1-1]

One thing to add, Wags also mentioned that a Bomber like B52, B1 etc. will only come once the world map is here.

Gonky replied, that flying a 5-6h or even longer mission might not be the right or fun thing to do but Wags added, that people also do it in MSFS and he believes they would do so here aswell.

I believe, that Wags is wrong in his assumption, that people would like to do that. Some of course! But DCS is not the same as MSFS, and getting shot down by sam or intercepted, half way to your target after 3hr flight(or worst), is more then frustrating for most.

Hell, most of MP is spawning at the nearest AF to the front just not to fly to long, but I guess in SP there´s a niche for it. 

 

We will see

[umland]

40 minutes ago, Omega1-1 said:

Oh boy! I am very thankfully that i am not a developer. You can never please everyone! Imagine ED would do what the community wants, they would need 1000-2000 programmers etc. But when it comes to the price, "uh, uh.... it's too expensive, no way i buy that.."

We also complain about the long development of aircraft, like example the F/A-18C. Well, i understand that very good. It's a full fidelity mod, you can't make this in 2 weeks. And not only that, they have also other stuff to do, to fix etc. Why people don't understand the process of development?

I would say this to ED: Take your time, set your priority as it's needed. When you have resources, use it. Step by step. DCS is already top-notch, this level you guys reached is behind imagination and sadly not all the community see that. It can become only better and i support you guy.

PS: For those who complain about new fighter jets and then asking why new jets and the older ones are not finished yet? Well those are mostly from 3rd Party and however, they have to care about financial part too. They don't work for free, i don't work for free and you also not. We should support ED, because if they are out of business, what is left? MFS20? BMS? Come on guys... And imagine a replacement of ED would come, then we have to wait again 10-15 years to reach the ED level... You have no idea, how much ED is important for those, who love military aircraft. 

Anyway, i wanted to write short text, but i wrote a book 

Thank you 

 

absolutely - We should be really thankful that Kate, Wags and Nic and above all devs are doing this for us!!!
I can imagine how painful it is to decide if some extra info from some guys are legal to realise. I understand
this guys who send this infos to ED, they want also to have the most realistic DCS.

I would pay much more for a good developed plane.  Hope they will enhanced the WWII Era (i am Fan) also.
 

Edited November 29, 2023 by umland

[Buzz313th]

36 minutes ago, Badger1-1 said:

One thing to add, Wags also mentioned that a Bomber like B52, B1 etc. will only come once the world map is here.

Gonky replied, that flying a 5-6h or even longer mission might not be the right or fun thing to do but Wags added, that people also do it in MSFS and he believes they would do so here aswell.

I believe, that Wags is wrong in his assumption, that people would like to do that. Some of course! But DCS is not the same as MSFS, and getting shot down by sam or intercepted, half way to your target after 3hr flight(or worst), is more then frustrating for most.

Hell, most of MP is spawning at the nearest AF to the front just not to fly to long, but I guess in SP there´s a niche for it. 

 

We will see

IMHO, if development followed the time line of...

1. Finish functionality of Dynamic Campaign and AI.

2. Finish Spherical World Map

3. Logistics support

4. Multicrew functionality

5. An increase in private servers hosting long term dynamic campaigns on the "Spherical World Map"

6. Then longer Bomber (Strategic) and logistical flights might be more enticing for players to engage in.

The flow above might create profit incentive for 3rd party devs to develop the bigger aircraft.  

[Badger1-1]

8 minutes ago, Buzz313th said:

IMHO, if development followed the time line of...

1. Finish functionality of Dynamic Campaign and AI.

2. Finish Spherical World Map

3. Logistics support

4. Multicrew functionality

5. An increase in private servers hosting long term dynamic campaigns on the "Spherical World Map"

6. Then longer Bomber (Strategic) and logistical flights might be more enticing for players to engage in.

The flow above might create profit incentive for 3rd party devs to develop the bigger aircraft.  

True

[YoYo]

1 hour ago, Badger1-1 said:

One thing to add, Wags also mentioned that a Bomber like B52, B1 etc. will only come once the world map is here.

Gonky replied, that flying a 5-6h or even longer mission might not be the right or fun thing to do but Wags added, that people also do it in MSFS and he believes they would do so here aswell.

I believe, that Wags is wrong in his assumption, that people would like to do that. Some of course! But DCS is not the same as MSFS, and getting shot down by sam or intercepted, half way to your target after 3hr flight(or worst), is more then frustrating for most.

Hell, most of MP is spawning at the nearest AF to the front just not to fly to long, but I guess in SP there´s a niche for it. 

 

We will see

I disagree with this opinion. In case you have the whole world there wouldn't be much of a difference in terms of navigation and the flight simulation itself. I know many people who fly in DCS only for flying, aerobatics and exercises, and leave military operation far behind. Personally, I have no objection to flying C-130 or B-1B in DCS, especially if we get whole the earth (good that ED is starting to wake up to this). Big boys are welcome to DCS !

What is a complete misunderstanding for me is the lack of information or even denial about the development of AI. What does it mean that there will be no bombers or WWII pack for opponents? I don't understand this approach and I don't agree with it. It is the poor amount of AI that is the Achilles heel of DCS. What is flying like in World War II? There are still no iconic planes for each side, and now we learn that the Corsair or Hellcat will have no opponent? Is Japan going to be a black hole in history again in the simulator according the Team? 

Edit: what else I would like to add. Since there was a topic about the quality of the B-1B and B-52 or Viking as AI models and apparently we do not have the best LOD, the topic of a paid add-on came up. I have nothing against such ideas but not in terms of more accurate 3D shape of AI models. After all, why do I need it, since I don't fly them personally (flyable = yes, for sure!), but I will gladly pay for Air Asset, for example, with 15 different and new aircraft models of AIs for each side like Germans, Japanese, Americans or Russians. New models, for missions, campaigns, online co-op play, etc. But not for the better LOD of current models. That's really bad idea . More new AI is a good idea . What's more, I don't understand why we hear so many "no" in this interview about new models for AI. Pity.

Edited November 29, 2023 by YoYo

[Buzz313th]

On the topic regarding the "Spherical World Map"...   

Lets face it, for a company to continue any sort of substantial development within an acceptable timeline, requires monetary incentive.  It appears to me, that one of the issues with a product such as DCS where almost all of the revenue is based on a one time purchase per module per user and then done.  And considering how Niche DCS is as a product.  Reaching a saturation level for revenue probably happens pretty quickly, which would explain the need for DCS to continue churning out purchasable content to survive.

 

The potential of something like a "Spherical World Map"  Or a "Streaming Dynamic World" where users can fly anywhere and dynamically engage in hotspots that are supplied by private certified server operators, could be a good product model to justify a subscription service.  Users would pay a small monthly fee to subscribe to "The DCS Dynamic World" and then ED would have the guaranteed monthly income to both support the "Dynamic World" but also to aggressively pursue content development...

Just throwing this out there..  

Edited November 29, 2023 by Buzz313th

[Avimimus]

4 hours ago, Silver_Dragon said:

Yes, by Grinelly F-100 and Aernes F-104. But I think wags will talk about a ED century series?

Maybe - or he might have just forgotten that those two had already been publicly announced?

What is left? The F-102 and F-106 are dedicated interceptors (although the F-106 was also used for ground attack). The F-101 was largely an interceptor and recon aircraft (with the earliest examples also having an escort and then a nuclear strike role). The F-105 is a possibility (but I've heard there are some issues getting enough data)? Does the F-111 count?

The other Century Series are quite interesting, but they didn't make it into production!

[Ala13_ManOWar]

9 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

Maybe - or he might have just forgotten that those two had already been publicly announced?

What is left? The F-102 and F-106 are dedicated interceptors (although the F-106 was also used for ground attack). The F-101 was largely an interceptor and recon aircraft (with the earliest examples also having an escort and then a nuclear strike role). The F-105 is a possibility (but I've heard there are some issues getting enough data)? Does the F-111 count?

The other Century Series are quite interesting, but they didn't make it into production!

You're forgetting the initially so called F-110 Spectre is also a Century series aircraft technically speaking, but since it's already almost there I won't complain .

[golani79]

23 hours ago, Buzz313th said:

28. No planned Japanese aircraft modules or assets for WWII period.

Wow .. what a letdown

 

[Blinde]

How about improving the basic stuff, like weather with thunderstorms etc. and atc? These features lag behind badly.

I know new modules bring money but these basics should be up to date now.

[BIGNEWY]

2 minutes ago, Blinde said:

How about improving the basic stuff, like weather with thunderstorms etc. and atc? These features lag behind badly.

I know new modules bring money but these basics should be up to date now.

We all have lots of things we want to see in DCS, ask anybody and they will give you different things they want to see. Lots of the requests are things we are already working on, however the reality is everything we do takes time, and we all need to be patient.

thanks

[corbu1]

CH-47 Chinook with cargo system is great news.