VIAF 2023 - Heatblur F-4 Phantom II Surprise Airshow Demo

[IronMike]

For those of you who missed it, please find today's surprise Demo from VIAF 2023 below.

We would like to thank the entire VIAF Team for making this happen, but also for putting up such an amazing show the entire past two days!


Please consider heading over to their twitch and leaving them a followership, as a thank you for helping us to put this show together.

https://www.twitch.tv/virtualairfestivals


Congratulations also to all of you who won an F-4 Phantom today and yesterday at VIAF and in our discord!

 

We hope you enjoy the first ever DCS: F-4E Phantom II Demo, flown by your very own @graywo1fg - the voice of Jester!
 

 

Edited December 11, 2023 by IronMike

[Buzz313th]

Great video...

After landing flow was missed..  LOL

[Breakaway]

Shes looking good!

[Iron Sights]

I thought it was an excellent representation of the aircraft and from what I could see, well modeled. I am really looking forward to when it does release. A job well done by those putting it through it’s paces. Thank you for the demo and keep up the great work Heatblur. Been back flying the Tomcat and realizing how well it is done. So I’m sure this will be spectacular.

[Atari800XL]

Really a great video!
Are there any infos when this 3rd-gen beast will be released? Or at least the manual?

[throAU]

steam pre-order when?

[joker62]

Exceptional, a well done video. But above all, it was really exciting to see the stresses and performances of the F-4E during the airshow maneuvers. When I saw the first few minutes of the startup, it seemed like a dream. I never imagined I would enjoy tow-starter tractor assists in starting an F-4E (and in the future also an F-14 ). You at HB are doing a great job!!! Now all you have to do is grant us the privilege of flying on such a masterpiece.

[fredm2002]

Looks ready to go now?  maybe a holiday treat for us?

[Lurker]

It's engines are crazy smoky, probably only when hitting afterburners right? Nice little detail in any case. 

[sparrow88]

14 minutes ago, Lurker said:

It's engines are crazy smoky, probably only when hitting afterburners right? Nice little detail in any case. 

actually you get less smoke when you hit afterburner in most engines.

[Gunfreak]

4 hours ago, Lurker said:

It's engines are crazy smoky, probably only when hitting afterburners right? Nice little detail in any case. 

The engines  in the E were actually less smokey than the ones in earlier models

[DOG]

16 hours ago, Lurker said:

It's engines are crazy smoky, probably only when hitting afterburners right? Nice little detail in any case. 

as I understand the relatively low temperature of the combustion chamber when is in cruise power and under full military power made the f4e engines smoke more (the hotter it gets the less smoky)

[Lurker]

6 hours ago, DOG said:

as I understand the relatively low temperature of the combustion chamber when is in cruise power and under full military power made the f4e engines smoke more (the hotter it gets the less smoky)

So the more you fly the less smokey they become? That a really cool little detail if Heatblur modelled it.

[Yannick Pancake]

The temperature is not really dependent on the time you fly the plane, it is influenced by the throttlesetting and engine design. I've read that the J79 on the F-4F had an option to increase the temperature in the combustion chamber but at the cost of increased wear on the engine.

[draconus]

On 12/11/2023 at 1:25 AM, IronMike said:

We hope you enjoy the first ever DCS: F-4E Phantom II Demo, flown by your very own @graywo1fg - the voice of Jester!

That's it? No tail slide or even Lomcovak?

I thought he gonna wave at 11:30. Great vid, thx

Edited December 13, 2023 by draconus

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

8 hours ago, Yannick Pancake said:

I've read that the J79 on the F-4F had an option to increase the temperature in the combustion chamber but at the cost of increased wear on the engine.

I read that too. Back in the day - a few decades ago by now - I heard that smoky engines happens because of "inefficient combustion", whatever that means. There were probably limits to the technology available back then, and compromises had to be made...

[Gunfreak]

11 minutes ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

I read that too. Back in the day - a few decades ago by now - I heard that smoky engines happens because of "inefficient combustion", whatever that means. There were probably limits to the technology available back then, and compromises had to be made...

 Low temperature burning means the fuel doesn't get converted into useful energy as much. Same reason older cars produce lost of exhaust on cold days before the engine gets warm. Or why firewood that doesn't burn hot enough (from being wet etc) also produces lots of smoke.

 

In the case of the F4 from what I've read the E model had a somewhat better engine for this and also the US military started using a new jet fuel formula sometime around the middle of the 70s. Those two tings combined helped with the smokiness.

Edited December 13, 2023 by Gunfreak

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

Ok sweet! Thanks for the explanation, Gunfreak  I learned something new.

[Kalasnkova74]

7 hours ago, Gunfreak said:

 Low temperature burning means the fuel doesn't get converted into useful energy as much. Same reason older cars produce lost of exhaust on cold days before the engine gets warm. Or why firewood that doesn't burn hot enough (from being wet etc) also produces lots of smoke.

 

In the case of the F4 from what I've read the E model had a somewhat better engine for this and also the US military started using a new jet fuel formula sometime around the middle of the 70s. Those two tings combined helped with the smokiness.

 

There’s a somewhat notorious analysis from the F-110 days showing GE pricing out how much it would cost per aircraft to install higher temp engine combustors to reduce the smoke . Came out to $50k per aircraft in modern money. The USAF declined the bill, making IFF exponentially easier for the VPAF when those Phantoms deployed to SEA.

[throAU]

On 12/13/2023 at 3:45 PM, Lurker said:

So the more you fly the less smokey they become? That a really cool little detail if Heatblur modelled it.

The black smoke like that is incompletely burned fuel.  So reheat will clean it up, as will engines that work more efficiently

[Bozon]

Ahh the 60s and 70s… when you could pollute like a steam locomotive and take pride in it 

[P3CFE]

A very original way of promoting the aircraft with the professional commentary, enjoyed it very much

I Want to give my compliments to the Pilot flying the Phantom in the demo.

Really good control of the aircraft during the whole show in my opinion.
It shows that he's got a very good feeling for the F4 he's flying.
It was a Joy to watch 

If I got the Phantom delivered i'm going to practice until i can do the same, Ik know Its gonna be hard but fun