Update the Dora

[MiGCap1]

Nobody has a wish? Then I will start.

The Dora is one of the oldest WW2 aircraft in DCS. This bird was the reason I paid Kickstarter money in 2014. But that is nearly a decade ago. DCS has evolved a lot. And the older modules are a little bit left behind.

My wish: Do not overhaul only the Allied WW2 aircraft. Think also of the fans of the German stuff. More clickable solutions (like for example the safety lever on the stick, the 109 has it), better optics etc.

And the pilot would look much better with correct net flight cap and correct late war goggles, a jacket according to 1944/45 and please, please remove the Knights Cross, there were only few KC holders flying the Dora in the last months of the war. Looks silly when every squadron pilot in a flight has this decoration. Isn't worth the effort? Then look what Heatblur does with the flight crew of the Phantom and how the DCS players like it ... there are often the small things which make the difference between good and WOW!

My five cents.

[MiGCap1]

Oh, I forgot: And please make the canopy appear clearer from the outside like in more recent modules, it looks like a soap bubble!

 

 

[IrishStarJumper]

Love the Dora and was my first DCS aircraft... But when i got into a Fw190A. The difference with detail/damage etc is kind of making me feel like the Dora has been left behind, considering these to aircraft are nearly the same from the canopy back ( granted longer ) I would have taught the update would have been easier than other aircraft updates.

I understand it updates are mostly down to what consumers deem popular etc...  But Dora seems like an easy one... 

[Silver_Dragon]

ED has some plans to update de Dora to same level to others, as othes with need a update, as UH-1H, F-5E, etc.

[LeCuvier]

Re-looking the pilot is a nice-to-have. I would prefer to see a realistic gun safety latch. Currently (since day one) we cannot arm it, and it automatically arms itself when you pull the trigger. That's ridiculously unrealistic.

[MiGCap1]

10 hours ago, IrishStarJumper said:

I understand it updates are mostly down to what consumers deem popular etc...  But Dora seems like an easy one... 

Yes, should be not too difficult or expensive in time. Just bring it to the better detail level of the Anton (incorporate the safety lever etc.), take @Doughguy‘s new textures and skins (I am sure he will approve the official use by DCS, @Wags ), rework the pilot (l tried but failed to do so) and You basically have a very old DCS aircraft up to date. And You do the WW II players who like the German side a big favour. The Allied side already has more aircraft and more modern modules (like the Mosquito).

[MiGCap1]

Some updates today for P-47, P-51 and Spitfire.

But nothing for the German WWII birds.  

[Bucic]

The recent February audio overhaul is already a huge deal. It's now more fun to taxi on the runway than to fly the Dora pre-update

An update to the 3D model, 3D damage model and systems damage modeling would have been great. The Yo-Yo's landing gear physics overhaul is destined for all the aircraft so it's only logical Dora gets it pretty soon.

 

P-51D Mustang | Testing the new landing gear physics update | DCS 2.9.4 - YouTube —

 

[umland]

Would be also nice to have a working AFN2 in the German Warbirds. Thanks a lot..

[Hobel]

Am 22.4.2024 um 01:22 schrieb umland:

AFN2

it is simulated and should therefore work

 

 

[MrExplosion]

On 6/29/2024 at 4:34 PM, Hobel said:

it is simulated and should therefore work

 

 

No, it doesn't. The AFN-2 is a display device that can take input from a variety of sources. The German warbirds have a FuG16ZY radio built in. The Z in the name stands for Zielflug, roughly translatable to direction finding. So in our warbirds the device was used to home in on a beacon and find your airfield that way.

The AFN-2 was also used as a display device for an early ILS but for that to work it required different radio to supply the input to the AFN-2 and that radio was only used in warbirds specially outfitted for bad weather ops. Our warbirds in DCS don't have that radio as you can tell by the missing antennas on the model as well.

It is possible right now to place ILS beacons by editing some LUA files and get the AFN-2 working for the ILS approach.

It SHOULD be possible though, to place a FuG16Z beacon unit in the mission editor and home in on that with the AFN-2.  

[Hobel]

vor einer Stunde schrieb MrExplosion:

No, it doesn't. The AFN-2 is a display device that can take input from a variety of sources. The German warbirds have a FuG16ZY radio built in. The Z in the name stands for Zielflug, roughly translatable to direction finding. So in our warbirds the device was used to home in on a beacon and find your airfield that way.

The AFN-2 was also used as a display device for an early ILS but for that to work it required different radio to supply the input to the AFN-2 and that radio was only used in warbirds specially outfitted for bad weather ops. Our warbirds in DCS don't have that radio as you can tell by the missing antennas on the model as well.

It is possible right now to place ILS beacons by editing some LUA files and get the AFN-2 working for the ILS approach.

It SHOULD be possible though, to place a FuG16Z beacon unit in the mission editor and home in on that with the AFN-2.  

Oh, I see, now ty.

but you don't have to edit Lua, enter AFN 111.5 for Kobuleti as an example in the editor, so you can then find the airport with the AFN

 

 

[Mrgone]

I've had an issue with all three German warbirds for a while now.  Yes, I agree they need a visual update.

However, for me, the gun recticals are off to the the left on the Bf-109K and both FW-190's.  I don't use Track IR and have read how to correct for those users.  I do use VR but nothing I do seems to help.  Anyone experience this issue?  Altering the Visual.lua has no effect?

[LeCuvier]

6 hours ago, Hobel said:

Oh, I see, now ty.

but you don't have to edit Lua, enter AFN 111.5 for Kobuleti as an example in the editor, so you can then find the airport with the AFN

I tried it with all 3 German warbirds and found it rather useless. I only got a meaningful indication when I was so close that I didn't need it anymore.

[Doughguy]

its meant for bad weather approaches iirc.

plus, it only really works on "modern" set up maps. not on normandy. hence, rather "useless".

[Thamiel]

8 hours ago, Mrgone said:

I've had an issue with all three German warbirds for a while now.  Yes, I agree they need a visual update.

However, for me, the gun recticals are off to the the left on the Bf-109K and both FW-190's.  I don't use Track IR and have read how to correct for those users.  I do use VR but nothing I do seems to help.  Anyone experience this issue?  Altering the Visual.lua has no effect?

Shift your camera position with assigned hotkeys to your liking.

[Mrgone]

Can you tell me what moves the Piper in the Reflex site independantly from my head movement? 

My head centering is okay, the reflex is offset to the right.  This part I get and is normal?

It's the illuminated piper within the rectical that I need to move.  It has for some reason moved far to the left.

Just can't figure what moves or shifts the piper . . .

[Mrgone]

Okay I figured it out  . . . RShift + RCtrl + Numpad-4

[Bucic]

8 hours ago, Mrgone said:

Okay I figured it out  . . . RShift + RCtrl + Numpad-4

LAlt+F1 (hold) + mouse

should work as well. Even during pause.

[Mrgone]

Thank you Bucic . . .

[MrExplosion]

On 7/1/2024 at 11:58 AM, MrExplosion said:

No, it doesn't. The AFN-2 is a display device that can take input from a variety of sources. The German warbirds have a FuG16ZY radio built in. The Z in the name stands for Zielflug, roughly translatable to direction finding. So in our warbirds the device was used to home in on a beacon and find your airfield that way.

The AFN-2 was also used as a display device for an early ILS but for that to work it required different radio to supply the input to the AFN-2 and that radio was only used in warbirds specially outfitted for bad weather ops. Our warbirds in DCS don't have that radio as you can tell by the missing antennas on the model as well.

It is possible right now to place ILS beacons by editing some LUA files and get the AFN-2 working for the ILS approach.

It SHOULD be possible though, to place a FuG16Z beacon unit in the mission editor and home in on that with the AFN-2.  

I hope the delay for the patch scheduled today is due to this bug finally making it to the top of the prio listing.

[Bucic]

I only wish for the new rubber donuts model ASAP ! I can wait with the rest.

[MiGCap1]

I like the update of the F-5E very much, it was my first jet module and now it is in a great way improved for only 10 bucks.

I would gladly pay the double amount for an update of the Dora ...

[MrExplosion]

On 7/1/2024 at 10:12 PM, Doughguy said:

its meant for bad weather approaches iirc.

plus, it only really works on "modern" set up maps. not on normandy. hence, rather "useless".

Because there is often a misunderstanding about the usage of AFN-2 I have attached this PDF. 

For simple direction finding AFN-2 could be used in conjunction with FuG16ZY.
Frequency band for FuG16 is 38-42 MHz.

But for bad weather approaches AFN-2 was the display device for FuG125. This also required a different antenna than what we have modeled in DCS.
Frequency band for FuG125 is 30-33 MHz.

Quote from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luftwaffe_radio_equipment_of_World_War_II

Quote

Instrument landing systems

FuBL 1 Used the Lorenz landing beam system. Consisted of the EBL 1 and EBL 2 receivers with display device ANF 2. The EBL 1 operated between 30 and 33 MHz and received the azimuth signals from a transmitter at the far end of the runway, The EBL 2 operated at 38 MHz and received the two marker beacons as the aircraft approached the threshold to land. The AFN 2 provided the pilot with a left/right display and a signal strength. The pilot could also hear the azimuth signal and the marker beacons in his headset. When the aircraft passed over the beacons a light was also illuminated in the cockpit.` ^[3]

FuG 125 Hermine: Was a system designed for night fighters and single pilot aircraft in night/poor visibility conditions. It consisted of several sub systems. For navigation it used the "Hermine" VHF radio beacon signal system via the Fug 16ZY. For approach and landing it used the FuBL 1 or 2 blind landing receiver. For altitude it used the Fug 101 radio altimeter. Given the pilot workload in a single pilot aircraft it also included a simple auto pilot. Fitted in some types of Fw 190 and Bf 109s. Manufactured in small numbers by Lorenz in 1945. ^[3]

 

Hope this helps clear up the topic.

Führungs-und-Navigationsverfahren_Januar45.pdf

Edited December 9 by MrExplosion

[lee1hy]

Just give texture template pls