FCR Limitations?

[thekow]

3 hours ago, NeedzWD40 said:

Sort of. A better way to describe it is the FCR is another sensor that provides data that the weapons processor can use, which in turn hands it over to the missile(s). The FCR "collects" the information for multiple targets and has the "message" ready for each target, whereas TADS has to form it each time.

This is correct behavior. The FCR can't separate a dead hunk of metal from a live one. Use the SHOT cues to determine if a target is dead or worthy of another tap, then use PFZs and NFZs for further filtering.

Thanks. Just wondering. 

[ruiner_]

Curing the tads to the fcr target will also allow you to determine if it is alive or not. Firing off a salvo of missiles without iding your targets is a bad idea. 

[Grennymaster]

vor 11 Stunden schrieb Moxica:

Whaddya mean "clutter"? They are going for "clutter" now"    
They are way more picky/precise when lazer designated, and I have never seen them go for tank carcases like that before. Even less to just empty field spots.
They be like "F*ck this spot in particular"   
Thank you for responding, Grennymaster!

Thx, Bignewy!

I figure, but I'm hesitant, because then FCR will reassign AND prioritize the old kills. I've been pounding "dead" tanks a lot that way. 

 

i not exactly sure how deep the clutter effekt is programmed in DCS. all i find out is that sometimes the Limas can not track a target in the approch. "realistily" thought is for me, there must be something disturbin the radar of the seeker, thats what i meant with clutter maybe thats the reason

 

[Moxica]

Creating two "NF" zones did some trick today, and I could kill all main targets in one "salvo" of four missiles.
Happy days!  :)

[GrEaSeLiTeNiN]

Do the PF and NF zones actually guide the Limas in a 'data transmitted to missile' way or are they purely for the flight's sharing and noting, on where to and where not to select their targets? I am thinking it's the latter.

Edited December 22, 2023 by GrEaSeLiTeNiN

[TZeer]

23 minutes ago, GrEaSeLiTeNiN said:

Do the PF and NF zones actually guide the Limas in a 'data transmitted to missile' way or are they purely for the flight's sharing and noting, on where to and where not to select their targets? I am thinking it's the latter.

 

Creating a NF will prevent your FCR targeting any targets located within those limits.

Example: If you have friendlies nearby, and you are certain of their location, you can put a NF over the area they are located. So even if your radar picks them up, the NF will prevent your system from firing on them.

[NeedzWD40]

1 hour ago, GrEaSeLiTeNiN said:

Do the PF and NF zones actually guide the Limas in a 'data transmitted to missile' way or are they purely for the flight's sharing and noting, on where to and where not to select their targets? I am thinking it's the latter.

 

NFZ: Anything detected in an active NFZ will not be targeted by the FCR.

PFZ: If a PFZ is active, targets within it will be prioritized by the FCR. For example, you could create a PFZ over an area, divide it, then activate each PFZ individually to prioritize that grid.

Both simply tell the FCR what targets it should select or not within the 16 target limit.

Edited December 23, 2023 by NeedzWD40

[GrEaSeLiTeNiN]

2 hours ago, TZeer said:

Creating a NF will prevent your FCR targeting any targets located within those limits.
Example: If you have friendlies nearby, and you are certain of their location, you can put a NF over the area they are located. So even if your radar picks them up, the NF will prevent your system from firing on them.

1 hour ago, NeedzWD40 said:

NFZ: Anything detected in an active NFZ will not be targeted by the FCR.

PFZ: If a PFZ is active, targets within it will be prioritized by the FCR. For example, you could create a PFZ over an area, divide it, then activate each PFZ individually to prioritize that grid.

Both simply tell the FCR what targets it should select or not within the 16 target limit.

Roger that, thanks guys!

[admiki]

8 hours ago, TZeer said:

Creating a NF will prevent your FCR targeting any targets located within those limits.

Example: If you have friendlies nearby, and you are certain of their location, you can put a NF over the area they are located. So even if your radar picks them up, the NF will prevent your system from firing on them.

That doesn't mean it won't be targeted by missile itself though. Radar will go for largest signature that is close enough to its coordinates.

I had single BTR parked around 100 meters from group of tightly packed trucks. Hellfire went for them every single time.

[giullep]

Hi guys,

hi put an ah-64 with fcr in the edito, to try it. But after i press in maa to swith norm if i press fcr doesnt happen anything..i cant open the fcr page? what i mahe wrong?

[FalcoGer]

On 12/22/2023 at 6:07 AM, ruiner_ said:

Curing the tads to the fcr target will also allow you to determine if it is alive or not. Firing off a salvo of missiles without iding your targets is a bad idea. 

This is what linking TADS to FCR is good for (FCR as sight, then sight select LINK), no? But from what I read, the LINK function is unavailable right now. I guess you could slave TADS to a TGT made with the FCR, or use ACQ on a radar return on the TSD.

Edited December 23, 2023 by FalcoGer

[QuiGon]

1 hour ago, giullep said:

Hi guys,

hi put an ah-64 with fcr in the edito, to try it. But after i press in maa to swith norm if i press fcr doesnt happen anything..i cant open the fcr page? what i mahe wrong?

The FCR needs some time to warm up. It performs a BIT test after powered on. After the test has ended the FCR is ready to use.

[FalcoGer]

On 12/22/2023 at 1:15 AM, NeedzWD40 said:

This is correct behavior. The FCR can't separate a dead hunk of metal from a live one.

That's not entirely correct. This is only correct for single scan bursts. When operating in continuous scan bursts, the FCR can correlate tracks between each scan and retain the priority queue.

[FalcoGer]

I haven't been able to fly since the update released. Is rocket engagement on FCR targets viable, I assume it doesn't do any lead calculations like using TADS as sight would do? Does coop work with CPG providing ranging through FCR (although it seems pointless?) Can CPG have TADS as sight and slave to FCR as ACQ (does PLT need to have FCR as sight for that to work?)

Edited December 23, 2023 by FalcoGer

[NeedzWD40]

2 hours ago, FalcoGer said:

I haven't been able to fly since the update released. Is rocket engagement on FCR targets viable, I assume it doesn't do any lead calculations like using TADS as sight would do? Does coop work with CPG providing ranging through FCR (although it seems pointless?) Can CPG have TADS as sight and slave to FCR as ACQ (does PLT need to have FCR as sight for that to work?)

 

No lead calculations like TADS, works similar to setting a target point. FCR not synchronized in MP yet, so can't test that out. CPG can sight select FCR, get targets, then sight select TADS and set FCR as ACQ source; should work the same if pilot is using FCR and CPG using TADS, once it gets synchronized.

[FalcoGer]

19 minutes ago, NeedzWD40 said:

so can't test that out

The pilot could set FCR as sight and shoot on it with rockets though, using FCR as range source. It should be good enough for rockets, especially on stationary targets?

Also does FCR detect "Armed house" or the guard tower thing as a target?

Edited December 23, 2023 by FalcoGer

[NeedzWD40]

3 minutes ago, FalcoGer said:

The pilot could set FCR as sight and shoot on it with rockets though, using FCR as range source. It should be good enough for rockets, especially on stationary targets?

Also does FCR detect "Armed house" or the guard tower thing as a target?

 

Yes, rockets do work though there is a bug with the NTS cycling targets with each rocket fired. It also works with the gun but no bug with that and it can be a bit variable on accuracy, but good enough for light targets.

Doesn't detect static objects like houses or guard towers in my testing, just vehicles.

[FalcoGer]

George, you have been replaced.

[BIGNEWY]

moved fcr topic from Giullep into his bug post so we dont derail this thread

[Ebphoto]

Whats the approximate range with the FCR? I’m having a lot of difficulty finding targets but knowing how far out the can be picked up would be good to know. I noticed the pie shape overlay Ed on the TSD only goes out 4-5km? It must be better than that, I hope!! Thx…

[Wags]

33 minutes ago, Ebphoto said:

Whats the approximate range with the FCR? I’m having a lot of difficulty finding targets but knowing how far out the can be picked up would be good to know. I noticed the pie shape overlay Ed on the TSD only goes out 4-5km? It must be better than that, I hope!! Thx…

 

[Ebphoto]

Thanks Wags I will take another look at this video. I watched it last night but didn’t hear the range numbers. Probably just didn’t pay close enough attention. Thanks and hope you have a wonderful holiday!!!

[admiki]

5 minutes ago, Ebphoto said:

Thanks Wags I will take another look at this video. I watched it last night but didn’t hear the range numbers. Probably just didn’t pay close enough attention. Thanks and hope you have a wonderful holiday!!!

6 clicks for stationary and 8 for moving targets