r-73 r-60, r-27r, r-27t, r-27er, and r-27et Expectation on Air to Air missiles of the MiG-29A?

[Gierasimov]

I fancy upnclose personal in DCS, Fulcrum is my love, I just expect it will bring the whole experience at highest level possible?

[pepin1234]

On 10/2/2024 at 9:36 PM, Gierasimov said:

I fancy upnclose personal in DCS, Fulcrum is my love, I just expect it will bring the whole experience at highest level possible?

I'm excited to see how we can maneuver with the new Mig-29. but even when we get a close simulation, if the DCS opponents are over power we will be struggling. Just take a look in the comparison of Indian pilots Mig-29 vs M2000 and Indians say in dogfight M2000 is not even close. So, on that point all depends on what ED polices are and honestly, I don't believe is all about getting close to real life, but for what they have in the flight charts, such is not always accurately

[Gierasimov]

39 minutes ago, pepin1234 said:

I'm excited to see how we can maneuver with the new Mig-29. but even when we get a close simulation, if the DCS opponents are over power we will be struggling. Just take a look in the comparison of Indian pilots Mig-29 vs M2000 and Indians say in dogfight M2000 is not even close. So, on that point all depends on what ED polices are and honestly, I don't believe is all about getting close to real life, but for what they have in the flight charts, such is not always accurately

Would you have the link to mentioned comparison by any chance?

Recently I visited one of the airbases and a story that was shared with me by young Viper jockey was that he was training against Polish MiG-29 and he lost, twice. 

[Ronin_Gaijin]

3 hours ago, Gierasimov said:

Would you have the link to mentioned comparison by any chance?

Recently I visited one of the airbases and a story that was shared with me by young Viper jockey was that he was training against Polish MiG-29 and he lost, twice. 

https://hushkit.net/2019/08/12/mig-29-versus-mirage-2000-personal-account-from-by-air-marshal-harish-masand/

and
 

 

[Gierasimov]

4 minutes ago, Ronin_Gaijin said:

https://hushkit.net/2019/08/12/mig-29-versus-mirage-2000-personal-account-from-by-air-marshal-harish-masand/

and
 

 

Thanks !

[Apok]

On 10/4/2024 at 12:10 PM, Gierasimov said:

Would you have the link to mentioned comparison by any chance?

Recently I visited one of the airbases and a story that was shared with me by young Viper jockey was that he was training against Polish MiG-29 and he lost, twice. 

You have similar claim by US pilot that flew German ones on NATO test fights in 90s against French.

Edited October 8, 2024 by Apok

[Harlikwin]

4 hours ago, Apok said:

You have similar claim by US pilot that flew German ones on NATO test fights in 90s against French.

 

I think the issue here is likely the M2k FM, or at least in large part.

[F-2]

2 hours ago, Harlikwin said:

I think the issue here is likely the M2k FM, or at least in large part.

I suspect the actual turn performance is correct but it’s not bleeding as much as it should.

 

Ive also heard the Mirage is generally out matched by the Fulcrum by someone who flew against one.

[Gierasimov]

Then it is settled! It's not the aircraft it's the pilot

Admit it, in this thread Fulcrum is better than anything else! Even the new Stinger 3D model released. 

[Hammer1-1]

43 minutes ago, Gierasimov said:

Then it is settled! It's not the aircraft it's the pilot

Admit it, in this thread Fulcrum is better than anything else! Even the new Stinger 3D model released. 

a '77 pinto is better than a stinger.

[Gierasimov]

22 minutes ago, Hammer1-1 said:

a '77 pinto is better than a stinger.

I see your '77 Pinto and raise you a FAB-500. Let’s see if it can handle that!

Unless you meant 1977 Pinot in which case I don't drink and pickle.

[Hammer1-1]

1 hour ago, Gierasimov said:

I see your '77 Pinto and raise you a FAB-500. Let’s see if it can handle that!

Unless you meant 1977 Pinot in which case I don't drink and pickle.

with all my hardware, I can barely afford a beer nowadays..I might be going back to driving the pinto again here soon!

[Harlikwin]

19 hours ago, F-2 said:

I suspect the actual turn performance is correct but it’s not bleeding as much as it should.

 

Ive also heard the Mirage is generally out matched by the Fulcrum by someone who flew against one.

Yeah, I guess we will see how it all turns out. 

 

[F-2]

12 minutes ago, Harlikwin said:

Yeah, I guess we will see how it all turns out. 

 

Turns out…. *rimshot*

[Harlikwin]

1 hour ago, F-2 said:

Turns out…. *rimshot*

[SparrowLT]

On 10/4/2024 at 11:20 AM, pepin1234 said:

I'm excited to see how we can maneuver with the new Mig-29. but even when we get a close simulation, if the DCS opponents are over power we will be struggling. Just take a look in the comparison of Indian pilots Mig-29 vs M2000 and Indians say in dogfight M2000 is not even close. So, on that point all depends on what ED polices are and honestly, I don't believe is all about getting close to real life, but for what they have in the flight charts, such is not always accurately

 

Sorry but those articles conclusions are often dumbed down and useless ..its like that "Oh we have a Hornet HUD showing a kill over a Raptor..so the Hornet must be better than the Raptor".. doesnt work like that..  the Fulcrum and the 2000 are both excelent dogfighters with strenghts and weakness and in the end its down to the driver to know how exploit those strenghts against the oponent weakness .. a 2000 cant outrate a Fulcrum in equal conditions so a 2000 jock should try somethin else..just like a Hornet would..and viceversa..  The Fulcrum FM in DCS to mee looks like a blend between the Viper and the Hornet that sits between them ..

 

So a 2000 not being close to a 29? in what? rate? ok.. so lets not go rate fight.. i put most 4th gen fighters in "good enogh that tactics, state, skill and SA will matter more than the plane itself" .. recently i got my ass handed to me in the 29A by a MIG-21 and it felt really smart.. (one of those "yes i got killed but it was done in such way that you feel good being murdered seeing such execution and skill" ) does it means the 21 is better than the 29? not even close..

 

Renember there is people right now up there in T-38s and F-5s wasting Hornets, Vipers and Raptors every day.. those platforms are good enought to pretend to be a danger in the correct condutions.. a full 4th gen should be even much better

[draconus]

12 minutes ago, SparrowLT said:

Sorry but those articles conclusions are often dumbed down and useless ..its like that "Oh we have a Hornet HUD showing a kill over a Raptor..so the Hornet must be better than the Raptor".. doesnt work like that..  the Fulcrum and the 2000 are both excelent dogfighters with strenghts and weakness and in the end its down to the driver to know how exploit those strenghts against the oponent weakness

Add to that there's usually no vital info on what exact variants were used (engine), fuel states (and weight), weapons (simulated), altitude and other exercise rules and limitations (hard deck, Gs...).

[Pavlin_33]

Airframes can be compared with and without pilots inside them.

It only really makes sense comparing them if the pilots have exactly the same skill level, otherwise it's pretty pointless.

I know virtual pilots that will take you out in a "trash can", but that says little about the aiframe itself.

[sylkhan]

On 10/4/2024 at 11:20 AM, pepin1234 said:

but even when we get a close simulation, if the DCS opponents are over power we will be struggling.

^ This.

DCS is just an hollywood Game, then don't expect realism.

Actually, the mig29 flies like a sausage, no stability on the yaw axis, do some slight rudders inputs and see what happens, even a simple roll input causes an over-reaction of the yaw axis.
And the drag coefficient, lol, with an AOA angle>12° the MIG is a lot more draggy than a delta wing jet like the Mirage 2000, just hilarious FM.

In DCS the MIG-29 is not a competitor in Dogfight, funny isn't it.

Edited October 12, 2024 by sylkhan

[pepin1234]

1 hour ago, sylkhan said:

^ This.

DCS is just an hollywood Game, then don't expect realism.

Actually, the mig29 flies like a sausage, no stability on the yaw axis, do some slight rudders inputs and see what happens, even a simple roll input causes an over-reaction of the yaw axis.
And the drag coefficient, lol, with an AOA angle>12° the MIG is a lot more draggy than a delta wing jet like the Mirage 2000, just hilarious FM.

In DCS the MIG-29 is not a competitor in Dogfight, funny isn't it.

 

Hollywood game with Hollywood spellbound kids by the propaganda. 

[Chizh]

WWW.AVIATION.RU_MiG-29 vs F-16.pdf

[sylkhan]

@Chizh do you think, it's necessarry to add propaganda to propaganda ?

Do you think that people are stupid enough to trust these type of articles...ok.. yes... a lot :), but not all.

This one make me laugh "It's widely believed that superior pilot training was the main reason why American F-86 Sabres consistently gained air superiority over technically superior Russian MiG-15s in the Korean War."

[AeriaGloria]

8 hours ago, sylkhan said:

^ This.

DCS is just an hollywood Game, then don't expect realism.

Actually, the mig29 flies like a sausage, no stability on the yaw axis, do some slight rudders inputs and see what happens, even a simple roll input causes an over-reaction of the yaw axis.
And the drag coefficient, lol, with an AOA angle>12° the MIG is a lot more draggy than a delta wing jet like the Mirage 2000, just hilarious FM.

In DCS the MIG-29 is not a competitor in Dogfight, funny isn't it.

 

And have slightly unstable and planes with significant AOA induced drag not been able to achieve aerial victories in the past? 

[F-2]

I’ve seen this question heating up again in other spaces so I thought I might ask. Can the basic N019 guide R27ER. This is apparently kinda controversial?

[Ronin_Gaijin]

1 hour ago, F-2 said:

I’ve seen this question heating up again in other spaces so I thought I might ask. Can the basic N019 guide R27ER. This is apparently kinda controversial?

Seeker head (9B 1101K, product 470-1) is the same between the missiles. Only the rocket motor changes.