now in early access DCS: CH-47F Pre-purchase

[Cab]

43 minutes ago, Rosly said:

For god sake!!! Are you serious?

First rush and premature announcement of the Ch-47F without feature list. Than "strip down" (to put it mildly) of existing "full fidelity" modules as Flaming Cliffs 2024. What next? Stickers and loot boxes? Paid plane skins?
If this is the "new system" than I'm out. Sorry ... this is clear sign something is really, really wrong.
The point is some of us spend a lot (and I mean rally a lot) of $ for this game. Even more for gear which works only with this game. We supported ED like no other community buying almost every DLC, signing up for pre-orders and spending endless hours in DCS over years! We design missions, write mods and spend endless hours together in virtual sky's. We all accept some level of business oddness (priority on paid modules not engine, terrain, ground units and stability) as we all know the reality and exactly how this business works and how it is kept afloat.
If you do not feel difference between early access, pre orders and current situation, than sorry. There is something wrong with your perspective, not those who asking questions.

PS: "We must learn a new system..." ... Gosh...

 

Steady, lad.

If you want to wait until more details are provided before you pre-purchase, that is entirely understandable. And you have right up until EA release to make that decision. Plenty of time really. But many of us are perfectly comfortable pre-purchasing right now, and that's okay, too. There's really nothing here to see or be concerned about until the EA release day comes.

As for the Flaming Cliffs update with three new aircraft, so what? They seem to be repurposing work that had been done in preparation for MAC. I won't buy it because I have their FF counterparts, but then I suspect I'm not the target customer.

[Bigity]

Will this be available on Steam on the launch date?  

[Rogue Trooper]

Pre Purchased as soon as ED allowed me too. It will be better than anything else available on the market for a very long time.

A fabulous airframe to start the new complex logistics line!

Edited May 3, 2024 by Rogue Trooper

[MAXsenna]

Will this be available on Steam on the launch date?  

Why wouldn't it? Kola was. They just can't set a date yet because of Steam rules. So no worries. It'll all be fine.

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[T.Power]

Pre-purchased and suitably excited.

[Migparts]

Hi guys, after receiving the news that the heat blur F-4E is finally being released this month, I have now softened my hardline stance of not pre ordering. I am now thinking to go ahead with the preorder of the CH-47. Regardless of the features or what not. I like this helicopter a lot and had also purchased it in XPlane 12 as the XTrident offering. If anything, EDs CH-47 would take advantage of DCS advanced features and be better. Here’s to loud and varying start up sounds!!!

[LuseKofte]

For a rotorhead this is a no brainer. Having concerns on the purchase due to suspected quality issues? Well don’t if you do. 
For my sake, I have a long wish list on older chopper modules , but I do not make it a political issue. 
Too many post on social platforms I have read from angry men acting like this is important. Yeah, I spent a lot of my spare time in various flight sims since 2000 , and a lot in this brand since lock on

But that is on me. I voluntarily spent my time with great fun and do not blame ED for doing so. And I bet I spent more money on hardware than most too. I still do not blame ED

[Viper ZA]

At the end of the day far to many gamers don't and will not understand what early access means. To most it means they release a complete product early. I can't anymore. If people don't want to teach themselves then I couldn't be bothered. Your complaints fall on deaf ears.

[average_pilot]

4 hours ago, Viper ZA said:

At the end of the day far to many gamers don't and will not understand what early access means. To most it means they release a complete product early. I can't anymore. If people don't want to teach themselves then I couldn't be bothered. Your complaints fall on deaf ears.

My thoughts exactly to the letter. Too bad it is in a little corner of a big forum and not many people will read it.

It triggers me hard when people talk about the Viper as an example of a failed release. That's what software looks like when you have access to it in an early stage of development!

[HMSSURP]

As a former Hooker myself I can not say how excited I am to see this on the way.  Already made the pre-purchase.  So far everything I am seeing in trailers and videos looks pretty good.  At the risk of being a nit picker I did notice one problem in the Afganistan Pre-Purchase video.  You had the ramp extentions straight out from the ramp.  Those are just small hidges that hold them on.  No hyraulics, electronics, anything.  If I recall the wire for the hidge itself was something like a MM or two thick and really is only mean to keep in in a resting postion between the ramp and the ground.  Basically, they flipped down to allow the loading and off loading of wheeled vehicles into the cabin.  But they were manual and, if not folded onto the ramp would have been dangling straight down in flight.  Again, total nit pick and I think you are all doing a wonderful job!

EDIT:  I must hang my head in shame here and admit I just learned something new about the Chinook I never knew.  Those ramp extenstion would indeed stick out straight.  I have seen ramp surfing before but never with the use of the ramp extentions.  I found this picture and realized I still have stuff to learn!  

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Edit to my Edit.  One of my Flight Engineer co-workers that I am sitting with told me that this is a photo shop.  The extensions would indeed drop down.  I think the general thing we can be sure of here is I am not sure at all now so do as you wish.  Maybe some other Hooker can come in here and set the story straight!  (Oh, and yes, he is laughing at me for being so guilible)!

Edited June 21, 2024 by HMSSURP

[Romandv]

В 13.05.2024 в 20:41, Migparts сказал:

Hi guys, after receiving the news that the heat blur F-4E is finally being released this month, I have now softened my hardline stance of not pre ordering. I am now thinking to go ahead with the preorder of the CH-47. Regardless of the features or what not. I like this helicopter a lot and had also purchased it in XPlane 12 as the XTrident offering. If anything, EDs CH-47 would take advantage of DCS advanced features and be better. Here’s to loud and varying start up sounds!!!

Hello! I'm too have an XP12 CH47 from X-Trident, so was considering whether to buy into DCS, but modern avionics made the difference. I consider it one of the best helicopters out there and one more wouldn't be out of place. 

What I like most about it is its predictability and the fact that it doesn't seem clumsy for its size. By the way, in all the time I've been flying it, I still haven't gotten sick of it and im waiting for the release when I can finally сompare them in two different simulators.

Edited May 31, 2024 by Romandv

[Migparts]

Well, I think that ED will incorporate some type of troop or materials transport capabilities so that missions can be made. All this, while avoid enemy fire will make it much more enjoyable. In Xplane it’s purely flight without the ‘mission’ character. 

Edited June 1, 2024 by Migparts

[Migparts]

Just pre ordered the CH - 47. I hope all goes well with the release and it comes in a reasonable time frame. 

[SOLIDKREATE]

Beautiful module but I cant fly helos for dogs****. I have tried numerous times. My dad was in HC-6 during Vietnam but obviusly his birds were much less sophisticated 

 

 

[admiki]

On 6/2/2024 at 12:37 AM, SOLIDKREATE said:

Beautiful module but I cant fly helos for dogs****. I have tried numerous times. My dad was in HC-6 during Vietnam but obviusly his birds were much less sophisticated 

 

 

If you want to learn helicopter flight, take Huey on 2 weeks trial.

It's a basic as it can get and is an underslung rotor, which makes it a bit less responsive. New pilots usually overcontrol.

Fly with fingertips, not your whole hand, small inputs for the win.

You'll get there

[shagrat]

Am 24.4.2024 um 12:56 schrieb BIGNEWY:

I am sorry you feel that way and you are welcome to your opinion, but please don't tell other people what to do, it is a choice everyone can make if they wish to. Pre-order and early access is optional and we understand not everyone likes it. Pre-orders are going well and we are humbled by the support the community have given us for the CH-47F, we know it is a popular helicopter and will bring new gameplay to DCS. 

Regarding your other comments, our projects do take a lot of time, they are complex and with modules like the Supercarrier are introducing new features to DCS never seen before, we have had to wait for multithreading for some of those features to work correctly which has taken time. But the supercarrier is enjoyed by thousands of users already and we have plane directors, airboss and all the remaining features to look forward to, work is in progress and I hope we can share news soon. 
Again, without long early access periods these projects would not be possible, so we do require patience, and are grateful for the support given to us by many. We continue to work on our products and our changelogs show the work we have done. 

Best regards 

bignewy

Maybe it is worth to point out, that there already is an existing logistics implementation, though you need to use lua script to utilize it.

F10 Menu, add "any CH-47F in Zone and landed" do stuff like provide a load menu, to load materials or troops, check it landed somewhere in vicinity of a FARP, etc. and add stuff to it.

[T.Power]

On 6/1/2024 at 4:37 PM, SOLIDKREATE said:

Beautiful module but I cant fly helos for dogs****. I have tried numerous times. My dad was in HC-6 during Vietnam but obviusly his birds were much less sophisticated 

 

 

They're very challenging even with a decent HOTAS and pedal setup.  After hours of focusing on Helos, my respect for real world rotor pilots has roofed, these things are insanely dangerous to fly!

[Gambit21]

10 hours ago, shagrat said:

Maybe it is worth to point out, that there already is an existing logistics implementation, though you need to use lua script to utilize it.

F10 Menu, add "any CH-47F in Zone and landed" do stuff like provide a load menu, to load materials or troops, check it landed somewhere in vicinity of a FARP, etc. and add stuff to it.

I support this effort, and already working on missions (using stand-ins for now)

That said, if you have to use a lua script, it's not really what we're looking for.

If I'm flying a Hornet and drop an LGB, it doesn't disappear off of the wing, and reappear at the target with an explosion. It falls, the kinetics are modeled etc.

Further there's no LUA involved.

 

That's what we're looking for/hoping with cargo/logistics, troops Infil/Exfils etc. We want troops running/walking off of the chopper, fast-roping,  vehicles driving on/off etc etc.

Essentially analogous/equivalent functionality/animations for the CH-47 that we have for weapons delivery on the other platforms. That's my hope.

Never been so excited about a module myself. 

 

 

 

[Migparts]

@SOLIDKREATE I think that in flying the CH - 47 you will experience a much more stable helicopter flight than traditional helicopters that have a tail rotor.

The big counter rotating rotors and the absence of the tail rotor make it much easier I think.

[LuseKofte]

7 hours ago, Migparts said:

stable helicopter

That is correct. Stable is the point of the design. This is why they can do the pinpoint hoover. 
But in order to put the chopper exactly where you want it. A crew chief is needed. We know multi crew is not implemented on release. So we will in my opinion need a very good AI crew chief. And that might be a problem telling him what your intentions are. 

[JetCat]

This makes interesting flight maneuvers possible, like landing only with part of the helicopter and rear wheels only on a house roof and let a few guys climb out. Fascinating! Easy to fly (computer stabilization, fly-by-wire) is often nice when doing some more relaxed flying.

[supersylph]

The date for the next update has been determined, and if there are no major problems, CH47 is also planned to be released on this date.So we can't pre-order on Steam yet?

[Freakmeister51]

On 6/11/2024 at 5:39 PM, Migparts said:

@SOLIDKREATE I think that in flying the CH - 47 you will experience a much more stable helicopter flight than traditional helicopters that have a tail rotor.

The big counter rotating rotors and the absence of the tail rotor make it much easier I think.

We do have the Black Shark which is invariably the same sort of thing. This is a good stable aircraft too

[LuseKofte]

3 hours ago, Freakmeister51 said:

We do have the Black Shark which is invariably the same sort of thing. This is a good stable aircraft too

This is because of computer stuff. Chinook was stable equipped with steampunk pit. Two contra rotating props lifting front and back of the chopper with a ramp behind just make it unique. My guess is for some this chopper will get old pretty quick. And for civil oriented rotor heads will have a blast with so much more possibilities. 

[toubey]

Just bought this as my first helicopter module. I have no idea what I am up against but it looks a lot of fun. Meanwhile back to the Uh-60 and killeregg mod. Can't be any harder to fly than the Oh-6 right?