waiting for resolution RAZBAM Situation Post Archive (will be deleted)

[beacon]

Dear ED or nineline or bignewy is there any hope that the f15e will become your product? so you can develop it further?

[BIGNEWY]

30 minutes ago, beacon said:

Dear ED or nineline or bignewy is there any hope that the f15e will become your product? so you can develop it further?

Hi, we dont have any news to share currently. we continue to wait for a resolution, once we know more we will let you all know. 

thank you 

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

9 hours ago, StarLiner said:

Has Baltic not been getting paid for a very long time?

He's just been insanely busy with a lot of other things, including new campaigns which quite frankly affect a lot more people (and generates more revenue) than fixing broken training missions and older campaigns.
There is only so much 1 person can do. He has too much on his plate for 1 single person to deal with, it's as simple as that. If tasks had been delegated better initially, training missions etc could have been fixed much much sooner.

[some1]

4 hours ago, Joe1978 said:

My recommendation: Consider Baltic Dragon's statement with a degree of skepticism.

Skepticism about what? That he's not being paid, that the products are not being updated, or that he isn't working on Razbam products any more?

[BIGNEWY]

Folks payment for RAZBAM contractors isn't a topic for here. Each should have their own contracts with RAZBAM and its a private matter. 

thank you 

[Joe1978]

hace 1 hora, some1 dijo:

Skepticism about what? That he's not being paid, that the products are not being updated, or that he isn't working on Razbam products any more?

Regarding the reasons for his reluctance to update his campaigns for RZ.... there's always a good excuse. 

 

 

 

[ebabil]

There is only one solution here: Razbam must handover their modules to ED to clear its name. ED must take over the modules to keep its credibility for all 3rd party department

[Horns]

On 12/27/2024 at 12:21 PM, StarLiner said:

So yeah, the MiG19 campaign is abandonware apparently (as well as the Mirage campaigns). I don't fully understand the Why here as this campaign was broken for years before the current Razbam situation. Has Baltic not been getting paid for a very long time?

 

This is unfortunate news for those of us who purchased the module specifically because it included single player content that hasn't been functional for most of the life of the module. 

 

@NineLine will the store page be updated to reflect this content not functioning, possibly ever?

 

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I wouldn’t expect fixes to any longstanding problems with Razbam modules at least until this dispute is resolved. What Raven says makes sense with my experience, it seemed like BD got handed the job of writing the AV-8B manual long after it should have been assigned. I wouldn’t be surprised if Razbam made a habit of assigning work when it could no longer be avoided instead of when it should have been done, that’s just me shooting my mouth off though.

Edit: I was clear as mud there. What I meant to point out was that even if BD did the work (regardless of payment), Razbam aren’t pushing fixes to ED for inclusion in updates, so they still wouldn’t get to users. Regardless of willingness, it’s beyond BD’s control right now.

Edited December 28, 2024 by Horns

[RazerVon]

12 hours ago, ebabil said:

There is only one solution here: Razbam must handover their modules to ED to clear its name. ED must take over the modules to keep its credibility for all 3rd party department

No... it's Razbam's property.
Also how does that clear ED's name? That'd make ED objectively a criminal organization if they seize peoples' property.

[Zahnatom]

9 minutes ago, RazerVon said:

No... it's Razbam's property.
Also how does that clear ED's name? That'd make ED objectively a criminal organization if they seize peoples' property.

i mean......... you know... lets be honest... not much different

[Pipe]

39 minutes ago, Zahnatom said:

i mean......... you know... lets be honest... not much different

Yes, ED is already in that boat imo

Edited December 28, 2024 by Pipe

[ebabil]

1 hour ago, RazerVon said:

No... it's Razbam's property.
Also how does that clear ED's name? That'd make ED objectively a criminal organization if they seize peoples' property.

I said “handover” not “seize”

razbam wants to be in sim market and they need their reputation. Otherwise it will be disastrous for them.

on the other hand, if razbam fails in Dcs, people will start thinking 3rd party business is trap 

they need to make their peace and move on. 

[Ignition]

5 minutes ago, ebabil said:

I said “handover” not “seize”

razbam wants to be in sim market and they need their reputation. Otherwise it will be disastrous for them.

on the other hand, if razbam fails in Dcs, people will start thinking 3rd party business is trap 

they need to make their peace and move on. 

3rd party business in DCS is very risky for the customers. We can lose any module in the future.

[RazerVon]

19 minutes ago, ebabil said:

I said “handover” not “seize”

razbam wants to be in sim market and they need their reputation. Otherwise it will be disastrous for them.

on the other hand, if razbam fails in Dcs, people will start thinking 3rd party business is trap 

they need to make their peace and move on. 

Razbam's reputation in the sim market is fine, they have multiple clients and always had.

If Razbam is forced to pull out ED loses thousands of customers minimum, flat out. Cause I will never purchase a product from ED ever again nor will any of my sim friends or theirs', if Razbam is forced to leave. ED's reputation will be tainted.
Razbam doesn't lose reputation regardless of outcome, only ED can.
DCS is not the only player in town, and hasn't been in a decade.

[NineLine]

1 minute ago, RazerVon said:

Razbam's reputation in the sim market is fine, they have multiple clients and always had.

If Razbam is forced to pull out ED loses thousands of customers minimum, flat out. Cause I will never purchase a product from ED ever again nor will any of my sim friends or theirs', if Razbam is forced to leave. ED's reputation will be tainted.
Razbam doesn't lose reputation regardless of outcome, only ED can.
DCS is not the only player in town, and hasn't been in a decade.

Nobody wins here, NOBODY, if this is not resolved. And honestly even if/when it's resolved, a lot of work will need to be done to repair all damage done in customer faith on both sides whether you want to believe that or not. 

[RazerVon]

16 minutes ago, NineLine said:

Nobody wins here, NOBODY, if this is not resolved. And honestly even if/when it's resolved, a lot of work will need to be done to repair all damage done in customer faith on both sides whether you want to believe that or not. 

My biggest issue with it all is when I found out that part of it involves a petty argument between CEOs and someone with control at ED decided "Oh, let's make this personal issue a corporate issue."
WHY!?
I'm not mad that my F-15E is in whatever state it's in.
I'm mad that I have to download 4k textures for all assets AND optional liveries when the default texture size should be 10xx standard or lower so I can have a client that's <80GB in size, and 4k being an optional thing, but I made that clear in the relevant topic.
I'm also mad that instead of working on that they're still not resolving this issue.

[ebabil]

30 minutes ago, RazerVon said:

Razbam's reputation in the sim market is fine, they have multiple clients and always had.

If Razbam is forced to pull out ED loses thousands of customers minimum, flat out. Cause I will never purchase a product from ED ever again nor will any of my sim friends or theirs', if Razbam is forced to leave. ED's reputation will be tainted.
Razbam doesn't lose reputation regardless of outcome, only ED can.
DCS is not the only player in town, and hasn't been in a decade.

That’s what I am talking about. You may not buy anything from Ed, I may not buy anything from Razbam and so on. There is no winner in case this is not resolved. 
razbam also isn’t the only developer in town. 

[Cab]

17 minutes ago, RazerVon said:

My biggest issue with it all is when I found out that part of it involves a petty argument between CEOs and someone with control at ED decided "Oh, let's make this personal issue a corporate issue."

Can you point to the information?

[Zahnatom]

8 minutes ago, ebabil said:

That’s what I am talking about. You may not buy anything from Ed, I may not buy anything from Razbam and so on. There is no winner in case this is not resolved. 
razbam also isn’t the only developer in town. 

buying anything from RB right now would just be a foolish decision as not only is their future uncertain but the money is just going into ED's pocket so you might as well have bought an ED module

[Oban]

2 hours ago, RazerVon said:

No... it's Razbam's property.
Also how does that clear ED's name? That'd make ED objectively a criminal organization if they seize peoples' property.

It's funny how intellectaul property works innit?

49 minutes ago, RazerVon said:

My biggest issue with it all is when I found out that part of it involves a petty argument between CEOs and someone with control at ED decided "Oh, let's make this personal issue a corporate issue."
WHY!?
I'm not mad that my F-15E is in whatever state it's in.
I'm mad that I have to download 4k textures for all assets AND optional liveries when the default texture size should be 10xx standard or lower so I can have a client that's <80GB in size, and 4k being an optional thing, but I made that clear in the relevant topic.
I'm also mad that instead of working on that they're still not resolving this issue.

This is far from a petty argument

[Mike Force Team]

I would place a wager that the dispute between RZ and ED will continue well into 2025.

[Horns]

2 hours ago, RazerVon said:

Razbam's reputation in the sim market is fine, they have multiple clients and always had.

If Razbam is forced to pull out ED loses thousands of customers minimum, flat out. Cause I will never purchase a product from ED ever again nor will any of my sim friends or theirs', if Razbam is forced to leave. ED's reputation will be tainted.
Razbam doesn't lose reputation regardless of outcome, only ED can.
DCS is not the only player in town, and hasn't been in a decade.

If Razbam’s behavior directly impacts ED’s reputation, many would say ED are better off lancing that boil now, rather than welcoming Razbam back to screw over any customers who might buy another Razbam product.

[rob10]

2 hours ago, RazerVon said:

Razbam's reputation in the sim market is fine, they have multiple clients and always had.

If Razbam is forced to pull out ED loses thousands of customers minimum, flat out. Cause I will never purchase a product from ED ever again nor will any of my sim friends or theirs', if Razbam is forced to leave. ED's reputation will be tainted.
Razbam doesn't lose reputation regardless of outcome, only ED can.
DCS is not the only player in town, and hasn't been in a decade.

You assume that a large portion of ED's base even knows about (let alone takes Razbam's side in) the dispute.  I'm sure this has hurt both sides to some degree or another, but if you could do a scientific poll I'd be willing to wager that it's a relatively small percentage of DCS users that even know about the issue, let alone have an opinion as to which is right or wrong.

I haven't dug into it, but while Razbam may have multiple clients, not sure they have a lily white reputation either, even outside DCS.

[Zahnatom]

22 minutes ago, Horns said:

If Razbam’s behavior directly impacts ED’s reputation, many would say ED are better off lancing that boil now, rather than welcoming Razbam back to screw over any customers who might buy another Razbam product.

and lose the currently best selling jet in the game?

you surely see how that wont turn out well.

if they'd do so, i'm sure heatblur would like to rethink their decision to make the eurofighter.

[Horns]

1 hour ago, Zahnatom said:

and lose the currently best selling jet in the game?

you surely see how that wont turn out well.

if they'd do so, i'm sure heatblur would like to rethink their decision to make the eurofighter.

Edit: Apologies for my original tone in this post, Zahnatom, that was uncalled for.

My point was just that I disagree that the F-15E has been such a success since Razbam ceased support, and after this event I doubt that Razbam are going to get a lot of sales in the near future.

As a result it's tough for me to see Razbam having much future in DCS even when this is resolved. If I'm right, I hope that wouldn't affect Heatblur's decisions with the Eurofighter (can't wait for that btw) or anything else. Hopefully sales of the F-4E have been resilient.

I think welcoming Razbam back into DCS comes with more risk than it warrants. Either way ED appears to disagree with me and their opinion matters a lot more than mine does.

Edited December 29, 2024 by Horns
What I should have said originally