Mizzy Posted March 6 Posted March 6 1 hour ago, Timghetta said: We did that to improve the product as a whole for the customer. The ADA saw the potential with it and it was us who fixed it. Who is "we" ? 1
Tavo89 Posted March 6 Posted March 6 6 hours ago, Mizzy said: This is all explained in the opening post of this thread. As for what could have been in the future with Razbam, I'm afraid this is a typical ploy to smoke screen the legal dispute, usually by the losing side for obvious reasons. The Mig19S is a good example of promises not being kept by zambrano and using his cohorts to spread smoke screening stories. Mizzy Clearly the legal dispute doesn't let you see beyond that, take some time to investigate about the projects that were planned, they are much more than a simple Mig-19. And about badmouthing RB people leave it to yourself, it doesn't help. 1
Ignition Posted March 6 Posted March 6 59 minutes ago, Mizzy said: Who is "we" ? You're talking to Razbam developers. 3D art developer and aircraft systems developer You're wrong about the M2K and the "feature complete" modules. The continuous development nature of DCS makes necessary to have the original developer in charge of their products to continuously maintain and improve their modules, not only for bug fixes. It happens with all the modules in DCS, even for the ED modules. 4
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted March 6 Posted March 6 7 hours ago, Nightdare said: Says who? AFAIK there have been issues in RB modules since EA (No, I'm aware RB products aren't solely the ones to have these issues). saying you'll address it is a different thing from actually addressing it They weren't fixing Av8 issues since official release, what makes you so sure the would now? It's why many of us got in trouble after lying about "going to clean up our room" when we were little, ...though apparently, RB got grounded anyway for different reasons but is using cleaning up (moving goalposts) to gain sympathy Nail on head. No amount of discord memes will distract me from that fact, at least. 1 Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
Horns Posted March 6 Posted March 6 15 hours ago, Timghetta said: Claiming ADA did the work, is ridiculous, while it was Razbam who coded the cockpit, with one of the best radars in game. Far more accurate than other aircraft inside DCS. Also remind you "remastered" the 3D cockpit with the various midlife updates and even added a new pilot. We did that to improve the product as a whole for the customer. The ADA saw the potential with it and it was us who fixed it. 15 hours ago, Galinette said: There is no such thing as "AdA update". AdA did not develop anything. All development was done within Razbam. Fault is mine, I expressed that poorly. While the impetus for the updates was the AdA's involvement, I acknowledge Razbam did the work. 1 1 Modules: [A-10C] [AJS 37] [AV8B N/A] [F-5E] [F-14] [F/A-18C] [FC3] [Ka-50] [M-2000C] [Mig-21 bis] [NTTR] [PG] [SC] Intel i7-12700F, Nvidia GTX 3080, MSI MPG Z690 Carbon WiFi, 32GB DDR4 @ 1600 MHz, SteelSeries Apex Pro, Razer Basilisk 3 VKB Gunfighter 3 w/ F-14 grip, Thrustmaster Warthog throttle, Thrustmaster MFD Cougars x2, MFG Crosswind, DSD Flight Series button controller, XK-24, Oculus Rift (HM-A)
Mizzy Posted March 6 Posted March 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, Horns said: Fault is mine, I expressed that poorly. While the impetus for the updates was the AdA's involvement, I acknowledge Razbam did the work. No, it's my fault, when I use the term 'Razbam' it means 'Zambrano' and Zambrano doesn't do anything other than publish the product and I don't really care who did what as it's muddied the waters yet again. 13 hours ago, Ignition said: You're talking to Razbam developers. 3D art developer and aircraft systems developer You're wrong about the M2K and the "feature complete" modules. The continuous development nature of DCS makes necessary to have the original developer in charge of their products to continuously maintain and improve their modules, not only for bug fixes. It happens with all the modules in DCS, even for the ED modules. I didn't ask you the question but I will respond to your last comment. From the first post: "It is our commitment that no matter what happens we will do our best to make sure these continue to work into the future. We understand those of you who remember losing the Hawk, this is not something we intend to do again." You are getting confused with Razbam (Zambrano) continuing to update and internally fix his published modules out of early access (which he wasn't doing anyway) that's your point and EDs commitment to fix any issues that break the module in DCS, my point, they are two very different entities. In other words, ED will keep the module working in DCS (all 4 of them, the SA map has nothing to do with Razbam) for as long as they can in the state they were left in after early access. This is my point when people say they will lose all 4 modules, they won't and if people would care to read the first post, they would not be asking the question. Tavo89 "Clearly the legal dispute doesn't let you see beyond that, take some time to investigate about the projects that were planned, they are much more than a simple Mig-19. And about badmouthing RB people leave it to yourself, it doesn't help." I am not interested in what would have been or what was planned, Zambrano planned a lot of things that never materialised and not just for this sim ! As for 'badmouthing' Razbam, go over to his Discord and see what they say about ED, utterly disgraceful and it certainly has not helped Zambrano for allowing such behaviour on his official Discord. Mizzy Edited March 6 by Mizzy Tidying up my posts 2
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted March 6 ED Team Posted March 6 Folks please stay on topic here, the HAWK is ancient history and off topic. thank you 1 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, PIMAX Crystal
Tavo89 Posted March 6 Posted March 6 1 hour ago, Mizzy said: Tavo89 I am not interested in what would have been or what was planned, Zambrano planned a lot of things that never materialised and not just for this sim ! As for 'badmouthing' Razbam, go over to his Discord and see what they say about ED, utterly disgraceful and it certainly has not helped Zambrano for allowing such behaviour on his official Discord. Mizzy Well then we have nothing to talk about, I am aware of what ED and RB fanboys say and it is a childish and cowardly position, but you have to put that aside to get a clearer view of the situation. 1
Galinette Posted March 6 Posted March 6 16 hours ago, Mizzy said: Please explain what you mean by the word "with" ? I don't mean to be rude but who are you ? Mizzy I'm the developer of the M-2000C overhaul since 2020 (which you attributed to AdA) and of the F-15E radar, sensor control and multicrew. I did not use the word "with" at all. 17 1
Mizzy Posted March 6 Posted March 6 1 hour ago, Galinette said: I'm the developer of the M-2000C overhaul since 2020 (which you attributed to AdA) and of the F-15E radar, sensor control and multicrew. I did not use the word "with" at all. I do apologise, it was the word 'within' I missed the 'in' bit, not to worry it's not important. As to attributing development credit, looks like Razbam got all the credit for your work from your friend Timghetta (Razbam being the trade name for Zambrano) and not you. I personally would be very upset about that. Timghetta said: "it was Razbam who coded the cockpit, with one of the best radars in game. Far more accurate than other aircraft inside DCS." Is he saying you didn't ? I'm confused. I can't comment as I don't have the F15e module, is it better than the F-5, my favourite? Anyway, we are getting off topic. Mizzy 2 hours ago, Tavo89 said: Well then we have nothing to talk about, I am aware of what ED and RB fanboys say and it is a childish and cowardly position, but you have to put that aside to get a clearer view of the situation. Agreed 1
Galinette Posted March 6 Posted March 6 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Mizzy said: I do apologise, it was the word 'within' I missed the 'in' bit, not to worry it's not important. As to attributing development credit, looks like Razbam got all the credit for your work from your friend Timghetta (Razbam being the trade name for Zambrano) and not you. I personally would be very upset about that. Timghetta said: "it was Razbam who coded the cockpit, with one of the best radars in game. Far more accurate than other aircraft inside DCS." Is he saying you didn't ? I'm confused. I can't comment as I don't have the F15e module, is it better than the F-5, my favourite? Anyway, we are getting off topic. Mizzy Agreed I did it within Razbam (which is a company/team) . It's not incorrect to say it was done by Razbam. No problem at all with the crediting. The F-15E radar simulation was indeed pushed very far, I don't have experience of the F-5 to compare. They are totally different era anyway so not comparable. Edited March 6 by Galinette 7
Mizzy Posted March 6 Posted March 6 (edited) On 3/6/2025 at 7:25 PM, Galinette said: I don't have experience of the F-5 to compare. They are totally different era anyway so not comparable. And you picked up on my point, I didn't hide it very well ! You can't compare radar's in DCS and it is ridiculous to do so, tell your friend Timghetta that, he doesn't seem to comprehend this point. I must clarify a point made by Timgetta: "it was Razbam who coded the cockpit, with one of the best radars in game. Far more accurate than other aircraft inside DCS." it's more of a point of 'I like my radar better than yours' and disrespectful to other 3rd Party developers who's radars may well be far more accurate than the one mentioned. Anyway, it's OT and I have asked for the offending post to be removed as being subjective, offensive and Off Topic. Mizzy On 3/6/2025 at 7:41 PM, Raven (Elysian Angel) said: just checking if it was the same person Edited March 8 by Mizzy Clearing up a point of controversy. 1
Pillowcat Posted March 6 Posted March 6 47 minutes ago, Mizzy said: is it better than the F-5, my favourite? Spoiler 2
draconus Posted March 6 Posted March 6 1 hour ago, Mizzy said: You can't compare radar's in DCS... Yes, you can compare both radars and their level of simulation. 10 Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
CleberAB Posted March 6 Posted March 6 4 hours ago, Galinette said: I'm the developer of the M-2000C overhaul since 2020 (which you attributed to AdA) and of the F-15E radar, sensor control and multicrew. I did not use the word "with" at all. Dear Mr., all this legal situation makes me very sad. I really do not understand all the "strategic thinking" of ED of stop all payments when the law in all countries give ways to protect your rights without "make justice with own hands" in this case stopping the payments. But I do not write here today to talk about it. What is the reason for posting here, is that here I discovered the chance to say (almost in person) a very big THANK YOU for you work. F15E was a boy dream. Was my first toy plane (my father gave it to me) and it is a passion. YOU had made a boy dream "true" even it´s just in VR. But I really would like to thank you and try to turn your day better. 13
Mizzy Posted March 6 Posted March 6 29 minutes ago, draconus said: Yes, you can compare both radars and their level of simulation. "They are totally different era anyway so not comparable". Galinette I agree with him, you can't, even on a simulation basis unless the F15E has the same radar as say the F18 or 16. To say one radar is more accurate has to be from the same starting point and that is what I am meaning. Agree to disagree eh ! Mizzy 22 minutes ago, CleberAB said: What is the reason for posting here, is that here I discovered the chance to say (almost in person) a very big THANK YOU for you work. F15E was a boy dream. Was my first toy plane (my father gave it to me) and it is a passion. YOU had made a boy dream "true" even it´s just in VR. But I really would like to thank you and try to turn your day better. Ahh, that's nice. 4
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Mainstay Posted March 8 Posted March 8 On 3/6/2025 at 8:25 PM, Galinette said: I did it within Razbam (which is a company/team) . It's not incorrect to say it was done by Razbam. No problem at all with the crediting. The F-15E radar simulation was indeed pushed very far, I don't have experience of the F-5 to compare. They are totally different era anyway so not comparable. Thnx for all the hard work you did so far. Really love the detail and programming skills you achieved in the flightsim platform world. Shame this "RAZBAM vs ED"thing stands in the way for making the F-15E what it deserved to be. Only thing i would like to ask is to reconsider continuing the project once the opportunity arises, thank you in advance. On 3/5/2025 at 11:48 PM, Timghetta said: Claiming ADA did the work, is ridiculous, while it was Razbam who coded the cockpit, with one of the best radars in game. Far more accurate than other aircraft inside DCS. Also remind you "remastered" the 3D cockpit with the various midlife updates and even added a new pilot. We did that to improve the product as a whole for the customer. The ADA saw the potential with it and it was us who fixed it. Same goes for you when i was talking to Galinette. Your skills in modeling are exceptional and i it would be sad to see that not being employed on the DCS sim enviremont anymore in the future. 14
phant Posted March 10 Posted March 10 Il 08/03/2025 at 19:05, Mainstay ha scritto: Thnx for all the hard work you did so far. Really love the detail and programming skills you achieved in the flightsim platform world. Shame this "RAZBAM vs ED"thing stands in the way for making the F-15E what it deserved to be. Only thing i would like to ask is to reconsider continuing the project once the opportunity arises, thank you in advance. Same goes for you when i was talking to Galinette. Your skills in modeling are exceptional and i it would be sad to see that not being employed on the DCS sim enviremont anymore in the future. +1 I just wanted to take a moment to express my sincere gratitude to Galinette and Timghetta (and RAZBAM in general) for their extraordinary work on DCS. Your dedication to creating detailed and immersive aircraft has brought so much joy to flight sim enthusiasts around the world. Regardless of any "business complexities" behind the scenes, many of us deeply appreciate the passion and craftsmanship you've put into your modules: know that there are a lot of people who appreciate your work, hope you can continue to do so in the future! Bye Phant 19
C3PO Posted March 10 Posted March 10 Looking forward to a resolution. Now: Water-cooled Ryzen 5800X + 64GB DDR 4 3600 (running at 3200) RAM + EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra 24 GB + Pimax Crystal Light + Add-on PCI-e 3.1 card + 2x1TB Corsair M.2 4900/4200 + TM HOTAS Warthog + TM TPR Pendular Rudder 'Engaged Defensive' YouTube Channel Modules: F/A-18C / AV-8B / F-16 / F-15E / F-4E / Persian Gulf / Syria / Nevada / Sinai / South Atlantic / Afghanistan / Iraq Backup: Water-cooled i7 6700K @ 4.5GHz + 32GB DDR4 3200MHz + GTX 1080 8GB + 1TB M.2 1k drive & 4K 40" monitor + TrackIR
SOLIDKREATE Posted March 10 Posted March 10 *Two Weeks* Sorry I had too I'm sure they will come to an agreement. No company third party or otherwise; wakes up every morning and says "I want to fail today". 4 AVIONICS: ASUS BTF TUF MB, INTEL i9 RAPTORLAKE 24 CORE, 48GB PATRIOT VIPER TUF 6600MHz, 16GB ASUS TUF RTX 4070ti SUPER, ASUS TUF 1000w PSU CONTROL: LOGI X-56 RHINO HOTAS, LOGI PRO RUDDER PEDALS, LOGI G733 LIGHTSPEED MAIN BIRDS: F/A-18C, AJS37, MB339A, MIRAGE F1, Su-25A
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted March 10 ED Team Posted March 10 12 minutes ago, SOLIDKREATE said: *Two Weeks* Sorry I had too I'm sure they will come to an agreement. No company third party or otherwise; wakes up every morning and says "I want to fail today". We all hope for a good out come. For now we wait for RAZBAM. 6 1 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, PIMAX Crystal
C3PO Posted March 10 Posted March 10 *soon* (tm)! 1 Now: Water-cooled Ryzen 5800X + 64GB DDR 4 3600 (running at 3200) RAM + EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra 24 GB + Pimax Crystal Light + Add-on PCI-e 3.1 card + 2x1TB Corsair M.2 4900/4200 + TM HOTAS Warthog + TM TPR Pendular Rudder 'Engaged Defensive' YouTube Channel Modules: F/A-18C / AV-8B / F-16 / F-15E / F-4E / Persian Gulf / Syria / Nevada / Sinai / South Atlantic / Afghanistan / Iraq Backup: Water-cooled i7 6700K @ 4.5GHz + 32GB DDR4 3200MHz + GTX 1080 8GB + 1TB M.2 1k drive & 4K 40" monitor + TrackIR
Mizzy Posted March 10 Posted March 10 9 hours ago, BIGNEWY said: For now we wait for RAZBAM. So is it Razbam that are holding things up ?
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