The Rookie Thread

[j0nx]

Hi all I am fairly new to the black shark again. I was wondering if there is a way to do damage control to the shark after taking hits. For example, my HUD and Shkval went offline in a battle lastnight so is there a way to switch computers from nav to take over shkval or something like that? Hydraulics took a hit in a different battle and I couldnt get the gear down so is there a way to manually put gear down or switch hydraulics? Any resources on what I can do when damaged would be appreciated.

[Yurgon]

For example, my HUD and Shkval went offline in a battle lastnight so is there a way to switch computers from nav to take over shkval or something like that?

 

That's a tough one. You could try to fire the cannon bore-sighted in manual mode and maybe score a few hits by adjusting your aim. But without Shkval, I don't think it's still possible to launch Vikhrs, so you'll basically have your teeth pulled when that happens.

 

As for hydraulics, in all my Ka-50 flying it happened exactly once that main hydro was gone while secondary remained stable. 99.99% of the time, both go out within a minute. :D

 

I've heard of pilots who actually lower the gear before battle because they expect their hydraulics to fail anyway. But the Ka-50 is pretty good at belly landing if need be. ;)

 

I've never gotten deep into emergency procedures; let's hope someone has some better tips.

[sniperwolfpk5]

I thing there is emergency gear down option just near the actual gear handle. I am not 100% sure.

[thrustvector]

I must say as yurgon said, I tend to lower gear when I'm ready to attack, youre usually reasonably low any way, and if I do take too much damage and lose the viks, then take rockets and gun if youre not in too much danger

[Holton181]

I thing there is emergency gear down option just near the actual gear handle. I am not 100% sure.

 

Yep, but to be more correct it's a switch to change hydraulic source for the gear. If both hydraulic systems are out you can't get them down. But as Yurgon said, after main hydro is gone you have a little while to get them down with the secondary, before it's out too.

[j0nx]

Thanks all, I see that switch there. I will try that next time I lose hydraulics. I would think lowering the gear before battle would make you a bigger target and has already been said it really isn't difficult to belly land the shark anyway back at the home airfield.

 

 

I seem to recall there was a way to switch computers to take over if one is damaged. Any ideas on that one?

[Holton181]

I seem to recall there was a way to switch computers to take over if one is damaged. Any ideas on that one?

I believe I read something about it in the manual, have a look there. Don't know if it works in the simulation though.

 

Edit:

Found it. Under 'Targeting Mode Control Panel', bullet 8, page 2-101. Hope it helps.

Edited June 6, 2018 by Holton181

[j0nx]

Ah that's where it was. Thank you! No idea if that would have worked for me when I lost power to the schval and HUD targeting system but at least now it's worth a try instead of turning around and heading home.

[Holton181]

Regarding the hydraulic system, I believe I turned the main hydraulic off (wall panel above the anti-collision beacon) ones when it failed, to isolate it from the common system. This after reading about it somewhere long ago, cant find the source.

It worked for me that time to avoid the common system to go out after the main, but it might as well have been a coincidence.

[Theoask]

Hi! I have to say : DCS Black Shark (1.0 the original I have) is a great helicopter sim, event if its graphics date from 2010. I currently learn to fly with just my Thrustmaster joystick. It feels really realistic.

Question:is there an online group where I can learn how to fly and shoot allotgether? A kind of Discord or Teamspeak group where we can chat and then play multiplayer online?The goal is to fly better.

[xSCAR45]

I'm running into some difficulties while piloting the Ka-50. I start her up all fine, takeoff is a bit wonky as I don't have pedals (yet) but once I get control I level her out and proceed on course. While flying random warnings will happen. I get a "u" on the HUD and the caution button blinks. I'm not sure what this is from or how to correct it.

 

I just finished flying and one of my rotors broke. Yes, it snapped apart. How did this happen and how do I fix it? I'd like to fly this thing longer than 20 minutes without a failure.:disgust:

[Yurgon]

I just finished flying and one of my rotors broke. Yes, it snapped apart. How did this happen and how do I fix it? I'd like to fly this thing longer than 20 minutes without a failure.:disgust:

 

Not exactly sure about the "u" indication on the HUD, as it might be Cyrillic or not, and I haven't flown the Black Shark in a long while anyway.

 

But if you create Rotor Blade Salad, you've joined an elite club of Ka-50 pilots who've learned the hard way about dissymmetry of lift, and more specifically how it affects coaxial rotor systems. :D

 

Suggested reading: DCS: Black Shark and Coaxial Rotor Aerodynamics

[xSCAR45]

Thanks for your reply, Yurgon. I'll read the blog.

[Johnny Dioxin]

Hi! I have to say : DCS Black Shark (1.0 the original I have) is a great helicopter sim, event if its graphics date from 2010. I currently learn to fly with just my Thrustmaster joystick. It feels really realistic.

Question:is there an online group where I can learn how to fly and shoot allotgether? A kind of Discord or Teamspeak group where we can chat and then play multiplayer online?The goal is to fly better.

 

We used to have a group organised by Eddie in this very forum. The Rookie Meet was loads of fun and a very merry group it was, too.

 

I often think back to those happy times and miss them very much. Guys like Eddie, HiJack, Skumbee, Tomten and others, whose callsigns I have forgotten - this was with Black Shark 1. I still have a couple of dozen screenshots from our antics - there were some fun missions, and we all learned how to screw up as a group and individually! :D

 

Just needs someone to organise it (and put up a server) and a few guys to turn up and you could have the same.

[HiJack]

Hi! I have to say : DCS Black Shark (1.0 the original I have) is a great helicopter sim, event if its graphics date from 2010. I currently learn to fly with just my Thrustmaster joystick. It feels really realistic.

Question:is there an online group where I can learn how to fly and shoot allotgether? A kind of Discord or Teamspeak group where we can chat and then play multiplayer online?The goal is to fly better.

We have a squadron of Ka-50's in TAW that is active (taw.net and tawdcs.org).

 

I'm also working on a A2G only server with some of my old missions from FC2 days, Ka-50 is a big part of those missions.

 

And as Brixmis says, it just needs a couple of players to organize some event's. I don't know if Eddie is still flying the Ka-50 but that was good events. I also miss Dragon's excellent co-op missions :joystick:

[M1Combat]

I'm running into some difficulties while piloting the Ka-50. I start her up all fine, takeoff is a bit wonky as I don't have pedals (yet) but once I get control I level her out and proceed on course. While flying random warnings will happen. I get a "u" on the HUD and the caution button blinks. I'm not sure what this is from or how to correct it.

 

I just finished flying and one of my rotors broke. Yes, it snapped apart. How did this happen and how do I fix it? I'd like to fly this thing longer than 20 minutes without a failure.:disgust:

 

 

They are quite related :)...

 

 

That "U" is likely a "V" and it means you're exceeding what the aircraft feels is the safe "V"elocity. Try to keep the blade pitch angle (controlled with collective) to less than about 11.5 degrees (gauge is lower left, will move with collective, find it before you start next time) if you're over about 250 on the dial.

 

 

A few things to consider...

 

 

The faster you go, the less blade angle/pitch is safe.

 

 

In a dive you can go quite fast... just don't use too much blade pitch.

 

 

Turn off Alt-Hold channel in general (rear right button at AP Channels).

 

 

Hold trim button, fly plane to desired equilibrium, release trim button.

[doldi1989web.de]

Got the KA-50 a fully clickable Cockpit?

[Holton181]

Got the KA-50 a fully clickable Cockpit?

Yes

[ponys123]

Hello,

 

Can somebody please explain the trimmer logic to me? I've been messing around for a while and while I can somehow tinker the chopper into going roughly where I want, I can't for the life of me figure out what the trim button actually does.

 

Does it add my current joystick deflection to the existing offset? Does it lock the current joystick offset as the new 0? Does it try to maintain heading/attitude? Because at times it seems to do any one of these and I cannot for the life of me figure out what the pattern is. For example, it will turn towards the heading I was facing when I pressed the trim button except sometimes it will spin around in circles instead. Is it trying to conserve the existing rotation rate? Sometimes when I push the nose down and press the trimmer it will go back up to seemingly conserve the speed I was going, more often it will just go back up a bit and settle in some other attitude. So on and so forth.

 

I am aware that I am likely not the first person to ask this question, so if anybody could direct me towards an explanation of the trimmer logic I would be very thankful.

[Yurgon]

Can somebody please explain the trimmer logic to me?

 

I think Froogle's is still one of the best explanations:

 

[Canadus]

I can only agree. Although the Video is a bit dated, it told me everything I had to know to understand to use the trim. Can only recommend it. :thumbup:

[Scofflaw]

I am aware that I am likely not the first person to ask this question, so if anybody could direct me towards an explanation of the trimmer logic I would be very thankful.

 

R-CTRL + enter will show you control inputs, and you will see what the trimmer is doing. This helped a lot when I was learning the shark.

[Lixma 06]

This goes for all Heli modules.

 

In the special options are 'Default' and 'Central Position Trimmer Mode' identical?

[Holton181]

In the special options are 'Default' and 'Central Position Trimmer Mode' identical?

No, with 'Default' you have a very short time where any input from your controller are ignored and you can return it to center. If you didn't manage to return it to center during that time, the helicopter will "jump" to another attitude due to the logical position of the cyclic and your physical controller doesn't coincide.

In 'Central Position Trimmer Mode' your controller is ignored until X and Y axes are centered (also rudder if rudder trim is enabled), no time limits. If you for some reason have a problem to center them you might loose control of the helicopter.

 

The time the inputs are ignored in the 'Default' mode can be adjusted by a small edit of a lua file. If I remember I can check tomorrow which file it is.

[Lixma 06]

No, with 'Default' you have a very short time where any input from your controller are ignored and you can return it to center. If you didn't manage to return it to center during that time, the helicopter will "jump" to another attitude due to the logical position of the cyclic and your physical controller doesn't coincide.

In 'Central Position Trimmer Mode' your controller is ignored until X and Y axes are centered (also rudder if rudder trim is enabled), no time limits. If you for some reason have a problem to center them you might loose control of the helicopter.

 

The time the inputs are ignored in the 'Default' mode can be adjusted by a small edit of a lua file. If I remember I can check tomorrow which file it is.

 

Thanks for the info - In the past I always used the 'Central' mode, yet after a summer break and re-install I discovered I was using the 'Default' mode without noticing anything amiss (aside from rusty technique).