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Schmafuzius

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5 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

MT is default by now. So that's my guess. ST will probably have to be started manually. emoji2373.png
 

Is it? I have 2 shortcuts on my desktop for ST / MT .. and they were not changed during the update...

Both lead to the same launcher though (at least they look the same?)  - and I can't see in the launcher if its ST or MT

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MAXsenna

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Is it? I have 2 shortcuts on my desktop for ST / MT .. and they were not changed during the update...
Both lead to the same launcher though (at least they look the same?)  - and I can't see in the launcher if its ST or MT
I see. I don't have any shortcuts. I use Skatezilla's GUI Updater/Launcher App, (new version yesterday, testing it now). In any case. It's easily tested. Start the ST shortcut and start DCS. Look in the lower right corner of the screen. Does it say Multithread? Close DCS, start up with the MT shortcut, and start DCS. Does it say MT in the lower right corner. There's your answer. I do agree the Launcher should explicitly tell you which version it will launch, or even better. Let you choose, like Skatezilla's app.
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Does anyone actually KNOW hot to control whether MT is used or not? And please, no guesses, only facts.

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Edit, figured it out...thanks! 

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The switch to turn off the Launcher is in the "MISC" section

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Captain Orso

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HOW DO YOU CONTROL WHETHER MULTITHREADING IS USED OR NOT?

HOW DOES TURNING OFF THE LAUNCHER HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT?

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Savvader

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1. MT and ST versions are in one long ago. There is no difference in dcs.exe between from bin or mt folders now.

2. turning off new launcher has not do anything with you problem. You may turn off this laggy/crappy sh///t , and load game faster. ^))) 

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silverdevil

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36 minutes ago, Captain Orso said:

HOW DO YOU CONTROL WHETHER MULTITHREADING IS USED OR NOT?

HOW DOES TURNING OFF THE LAUNCHER HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT?

THERE ARE STILL TWO FOLDERS WITH DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF DCS.EXE. 

C:\PROGRAM FILES\EAGLE DYNAMICS\DCS WORLD OPENBETA\BIN

C:\PROGRAM FILES\EAGLE DYNAMICS\DCS WORLD OPENBETA\BIN-MT

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1 hour ago, Savvader said:

1. MT and ST versions are in one long ago. There is no difference in dcs.exe between from bin or mt folders now.

That's incorrect. Both execs are still diffferent and start ST and MT modes as usual.

What you probably meant is that even dcs_updater.exe from BIN folder launches the game in MT mode by default nowadays.

To make it simple for Capt Orso:

Starting the game by clicking directly dcs.exe in BIN folder enables ST mode. Clicking everything else anywhere else enables MT mode. That applies to standalone game, I don't know how Steam version works.

Which mode is active can be checked in bottom right corner of main menu screen (it will say "multithreaded preview" or it won't)

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Captain Orso

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6 hours ago, silverdevil said:

THERE ARE STILL TWO FOLDERS WITH DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF DCS.EXE. 

C:\PROGRAM FILES\EAGLE DYNAMICS\DCS WORLD OPENBETA\BIN

C:\PROGRAM FILES\EAGLE DYNAMICS\DCS WORLD OPENBETA\BIN-MT

YES, SO THE UPDATE NOT CHANGING THE DESKTOP LINKS, NOR ADDING NEW ONES IS WAI (WORKS AS INTENDED).

*ahem* We might go back to normal volume again 🙄

Per default the normal startup  without explicitly requesting multithreading is per the desktop link pointing to ..\bin\DCS_Updater.exe, which will check for updates first, and then open the new Launcher page by running ..\bin\DCS.exe. Clicking "LAUNCH DCS" starts the main menu page and is still running ..\bin\DCS.exe.

I also have a desktop link directly to ..\bin-mt\DCS.exe which will start a Launcher page which looks identical to the ..\bin\ Launcher page. When I click "LAUNCH DCS" it starts the main menu as before, but is still running ..\bin-mt\DCS.exe. Yes, it still says MULTITHREADED PREVIEW in the lower right corner of the main menu, the same as before the last update.

What is very interesting--to me anyway--, using MS SysInternals Process Explorer, and checking both ..\bin\DCS.exe and ..\bin-mt\DCS.exe shows both to be using MANY threads. I can't really tell the difference between the two, other than the hint text.

It would be interesting of ED would chime in on what this means.

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silverdevil

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12 hours ago, Captain Orso said:

YES, SO THE UPDATE NOT CHANGING THE DESKTOP LINKS, NOR ADDING NEW ONES IS WAI (WORKS AS INTENDED).

to confirm, i ran each DCS.EXE and one opened ST and the other (in the MT folder) opened up MT. MT had the banner for multi-threading.

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Hello, I have have "MT" flag in the version name on bottom right of the main menu screen (of the game, not of the launcher), even if I click on the DCS.exe icon in "bin" folder...

How to check if I'm using the ST ?

A look in the log seems MT is used

2024-11-11 14:16:06.749 INFO    EDCORE (Main): system  affinity mask: 111111
2024-11-11 14:16:06.749 INFO    EDCORE (Main): process affinity mask: 111111
2024-11-11 14:16:06.752 INFO    EDCORE (Main): CPU: 12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-12600KF [1x L3 caches]
2024-11-11 14:16:06.752 INFO    EDCORE (Main): CPU has uniform cache size 20 MB (per cache)
2024-11-11 14:16:06.752 INFO    EDCORE (Main): all CPU cores have the same efficiency class 0
2024-11-11 14:16:06.752 INFO    EDCORE (Main): all CPU cores have the same performance class 0
2024-11-11 14:16:06.752 INFO    EDCORE (Main): common cores: {3, 4, 5}
2024-11-11 14:16:06.752 INFO    EDCORE (Main): render cores: {0, 1, 2}
2024-11-11 14:16:06.752 INFO    EDCORE (Main): IO cores: {}
2024-11-11 14:16:08.194 INFO    EDCORE (Main): Platform Timer Resolution: 15.51ms
2024-11-11 14:16:08.720 INFO    EDCORE (Main): pause10: 0.033489 us (std dev: 0.025693)
2024-11-11 14:16:08.720 INFO    EDCORE (Main): pause10: 1221 cycles (std dev: 891.9)
2024-11-11 14:16:08.721 INFO    EDCORE (Main): Created boot pool: n:6
2024-11-11 14:16:08.722 INFO    APP (Main): Command line: "G:\jeux\DCS World OpenBeta\bin\DCS.exe"
2024-11-11 14:16:08.722 INFO    APP (Main): DCS/2.9.9.2474 (x86_64; MT; Windows NT 10.0.19045)
2024-11-11 14:16:08.722 INFO    APP (Main): Application revision: 242474
2024-11-11 14:16:08.722 INFO    APP (Main): Renderer revision: 25436
2024-11-11 14:16:08.722 INFO    APP (Main): Terrain revision: 25543
2024-11-11 14:16:08.722 INFO    APP (Main): Build number: 233
2024-11-11 14:16:08.722 INFO    APP (Main): CPU cores: 6, threads: 6, System RAM: 32577 MB, Pagefile: 11264 MB
2024-11-11 14:16:09.864 INFO    ASYNCNET (5520): Login success.
2024-11-11 14:16:10.977 INFO    ASYNCNET (5520): Got auth data.

 

That's a problem because I'm playing the AH64 MAD campaign that need IR marker, which is not working in MT..

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Kanelbolle

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11 minutes ago, lefuneste01 said:

Hello, I have have "MT" flag in the version name on bottom right of the main menu screen (of the game, not of the launcher), even if I click on the DCS.exe icon in "bin" folder...

How to check if I'm using the ST ?

A look in the log seems MT is used

2024-11-11 14:16:06.749 INFO    EDCORE (Main): system  affinity mask: 111111
2024-11-11 14:16:06.749 INFO    EDCORE (Main): process affinity mask: 111111
2024-11-11 14:16:06.752 INFO    EDCORE (Main): CPU: 12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-12600KF [1x L3 caches]
2024-11-11 14:16:06.752 INFO    EDCORE (Main): CPU has uniform cache size 20 MB (per cache)
2024-11-11 14:16:06.752 INFO    EDCORE (Main): all CPU cores have the same efficiency class 0
2024-11-11 14:16:06.752 INFO    EDCORE (Main): all CPU cores have the same performance class 0
2024-11-11 14:16:06.752 INFO    EDCORE (Main): common cores: {3, 4, 5}
2024-11-11 14:16:06.752 INFO    EDCORE (Main): render cores: {0, 1, 2}
2024-11-11 14:16:06.752 INFO    EDCORE (Main): IO cores: {}
2024-11-11 14:16:08.194 INFO    EDCORE (Main): Platform Timer Resolution: 15.51ms
2024-11-11 14:16:08.720 INFO    EDCORE (Main): pause10: 0.033489 us (std dev: 0.025693)
2024-11-11 14:16:08.720 INFO    EDCORE (Main): pause10: 1221 cycles (std dev: 891.9)
2024-11-11 14:16:08.721 INFO    EDCORE (Main): Created boot pool: n:6
2024-11-11 14:16:08.722 INFO    APP (Main): Command line: "G:\jeux\DCS World OpenBeta\bin\DCS.exe"
2024-11-11 14:16:08.722 INFO    APP (Main): DCS/2.9.9.2474 (x86_64; MT; Windows NT 10.0.19045)
2024-11-11 14:16:08.722 INFO    APP (Main): Application revision: 242474
2024-11-11 14:16:08.722 INFO    APP (Main): Renderer revision: 25436
2024-11-11 14:16:08.722 INFO    APP (Main): Terrain revision: 25543
2024-11-11 14:16:08.722 INFO    APP (Main): Build number: 233
2024-11-11 14:16:08.722 INFO    APP (Main): CPU cores: 6, threads: 6, System RAM: 32577 MB, Pagefile: 11264 MB
2024-11-11 14:16:09.864 INFO    ASYNCNET (5520): Login success.
2024-11-11 14:16:10.977 INFO    ASYNCNET (5520): Got auth data.

 

That's a problem because I'm playing the AH64 MAD campaign that need IR marker, which is not working in MT..

 

ST was removed a couple of updates ago. Both bin folders have the MT version now.

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lefuneste01

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55 minutes ago, Kanelbolle said:

ST was removed a couple of updates ago. Both bin folders have the MT version now.

Oops, I missed it...so it means the IR marker has not been fixed up to now ?

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MAXsenna

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And if I disable the launcher, to not start at startup, how do I invoke it in the future? There's no separate shortcut for it in Start - Eagle Dynamics.
You just enable it in the general settings in the main GUI.

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