Su-35 Instead of F-35

[LuseKofte]

27 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

though I have a feeling the Mi-8 does well among us rotor heads. It really is one of the top modules in the franchise

Mi 8 is hands down the best chopper so far. It got a playability in hostile environments. It takes a believable amount of punishment. It can bring a lot of weapons and still carry cargo or troops. It is and feel like I imagine a chopper of that generation would fly. It still after many years make me f*** up if not focused

[upyr1]

On 1/18/2025 at 4:38 AM, razo+r said:

P-35 instead of Su-35 or F-35!

- Why jumping to 5th or 4th generation with a big gap in ... 0th generation aircraft

- For years we've been waiting for decent P-planes

- No documentation suddenly no issue

Blah blah joking blah blah.

This is just ridiculous... I mean the arguments...

Two things to point out, first the 2025 trailer didn't exactly say the F-35 was going to be available in 2 weeks and my suggestion for anyone who says "ED should do this or that instead of the F-35" All I have to say is let's agree to the Freedy Mercury compromise, shall we?

Which is to say "I want it all" 

There area lot of modules listed on the forum which don't have a release date (A-6, both corsairs, F-8, and others) so if you or anyone else think you have the know how and documents to get a module going then bring it on. You might start with a mod but the more developers, modules, maps, and content we get the better. 

Edited January 20 by upyr1

[T4buk]

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[Tango-17]

On 1/18/2025 at 11:29 AM, T4buk said:

Su-35 Instead of F-35!

- Why jumping to 5th generation and skipping a big gap in 4th and 4th+ generation?

- for years we waiting for deasend model for Team RED

- Super classified suddenly no issue!

- We don't want you produce real stollen copy of Su-35 Like china did to Su-33, only game Simulation development model based on the public information.

- don't make the same mistake as EA done to his "Battlefield" community.

hell naw lil bro F-35 on top

[upyr1]

5 hours ago, T4buk said:

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Funny, I hope someone can do the newer flanker and fulcrums lets face it EA works by the developer getting enough data to get a module then slowly works on it over time

Edited January 21 by upyr1

[CrashMcGhee]

I wonder how possible it would be to model Indian versions of eastern bloc jets? A Russian Su-35 would result in some ED staff going to the gulag because the Russian Federation would consider distributing a high fidelity representation of a front line aircraft to be espionage, but like the FF MiG-29, there might be a loophole with export variants. There could also be a potential opportunity with the Su-75 if Russia doesn't adopt it for themselves. As an export aircraft from conception, there's going to be a lot of open source information as it gets closer to production and entering service somewhere.

[niru27]

1 hour ago, CrashMcGhee said:

I wonder how possible it would be to model Indian versions of eastern bloc jets? A Russian Su-35 would result in some ED staff going to the gulag because the Russian Federation would consider distributing a high fidelity representation of a front line aircraft to be espionage, but like the FF MiG-29, there might be a loophole with export variants. There could also be a potential opportunity with the Su-75 if Russia doesn't adopt it for themselves. As an export aircraft from conception, there's going to be a lot of open source information as it gets closer to production and entering service somewhere.

What makes you think India will give classified docs of their primary airframe to ED? During a Red Flag exercise, Su-30's were even ordered to NOT turn on their radars.

You have a much better chance of Trump giving you current F35 docs.

[upyr1]

1 hour ago, CrashMcGhee said:

I wonder how possible it would be to model Indian versions of eastern bloc jets? A Russian Su-35 would result in some ED staff going to the gulag because the Russian Federation would consider distributing a high fidelity representation of a front line aircraft to be espionage, but like the FF MiG-29, there might be a loophole with export variants. There could also be a potential opportunity with the Su-75 if Russia doesn't adopt it for themselves. As an export aircraft from conception, there's going to be a lot of open source information as it gets closer to production and entering service somewhere.

I don't know what India's laws are like, but for ED to do the Su-35 they would still need to clear Russian laws. However that doesn't completely rule out anyone else. If the information is available we might have let's say HeatBlur putting out a Su-30. I don't know if the open source information is available and I don't think it ED could sell it in Russia but it might be possible.  

21 minutes ago, niru27 said:

What makes you think India will give classified docs of their primary airframe to ED? During a Red Flag exercise, Su-30's were even ordered to NOT turn on their radars.

You have a much better chance of Trump giving you current F35 docs.

Was that actually due to security and not tactics? Either way I was thinking India had some strict rules as well which is why I think our best hope would be a Western developer provided there is enough open source material available. As I said earlier the module might not be available in Russia or India but that's how I see it being possible I could be wrong

[pjbunnyru]

what gulag? also add bears with balalaika.
how many people r in prison for such searches for information for game developers in russia, tell us, ill listen with pleasure.

su75 - only for export, russian ministry of defense is not interested in single engine aircraft.

there will be no information on su35 aircraft. maximum is su30. but even there, u need to try hard to find information in open. plus, it is necesary to understand that armament is aproximatele ecual to blue side, this is already well beyond 2010. will anyone find real information on this? i seriously doubt it.

if it werent for several mig35 aircraft in service with russia, maybe we could have learned at least something "modern" from russia. however....
so, we r waiting for 29 and hoping for su27/30.

Edited January 21 by pjbunnyru

[bies]

4 hours ago, upyr1 said:

I don't know what India's laws are like

Generally considered as even more restrictive then Russian one. You won't even find Indian manuals to much older aircrafts or weapon sytems.

[upyr1]

5 hours ago, bies said:

Generally considered as even more restrictive then Russian one. You won't even find Indian manuals to much older aircrafts or weapon sytems.

So we ain't getting the Tejas then. 

 

7 hours ago, pjbunnyru said:

what gulag? also add bears with balalaika.
how many people r in prison for such searches for information for game developers in russia, tell us, ill listen with pleasure.

su75 - only for export, russian ministry of defense is not interested in single engine aircraft.

there will be no information on su35 aircraft. maximum is su30. but even there, u need to try hard to find information in open. plus, it is necesary to understand that armament is aproximatele ecual to blue side, this is already well beyond 2010. will anyone find real information on this? i seriously doubt it.

if it werent for several mig35 aircraft in service with russia, maybe we could have learned at least something "modern" from russia. however....
so, we r waiting for 29 and hoping for su27/30.

What we can get will all depend on what we can get open source information for. If there is any take away from the F-35 it is that we should assume that ED and the other developers want to make that module we want to buy as much as we want to buy it.

[T4buk]

By the way, some people may understand me wrong or did not want to understand my example about EA in the Battlefield franchise.

I don't prefer or comper one to each other Games. its about the philosophy of the developer company.

EA Battlefield in some point Wanted to emtade the rival (CoD) and for some years ignored huge part of the community which they loved the core and the origin of Battlefield.

and like always when you can't be more original than the original. EA lost to CoD.

so 2 points:

- do not emtade the rival.

- do not ignored part of the community.

 

 

Edited January 21 by T4buk

[niru27]

22 hours ago, bies said:

Generally considered as even more restrictive then Russian one. You won't even find Indian manuals to much older aircrafts or weapon sytems.

16 hours ago, upyr1 said:

So we ain't getting the Tejas then. 

You know how NASA and SPACEX share so much telemetry and mission parameters/data LIVE?

Even after filing RTI, all we got from ISRO was "undisclosed due to national security concerns". So you can forget about military jets. Be glad we have the M2k and Mig 21

[draconus]

On 1/18/2025 at 9:30 PM, Creampie said:

Some clicky buttons in a module that already exists isn't going to be some big ticket item.

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It's almost like, "Here buy this same module that will offer nothing to the game for more than $7.99 and we might consider making something newer"

8 dollars? That's what single FC aircraft is on sale. But if you think clickable cockpit is the only difference between FC and FF you're clearly not the target for the product they'll make.

On 1/21/2025 at 7:23 AM, pjbunnyru said:

what gulag? also add bears with balalaika.

Easy to laugh it out when it's not you who take a risk, huh?
Would you like to discuss it with the Hutts?

Edited January 24 by draconus

[pjbunnyru]

5 часов назад, draconus сказал:

8 dollars? That's what single FC aircraft is on sale. But if you think clickable cockpit is the only difference between FC and FF you're clearly not the target for the product they'll make.

Easy to laugh it out when it's not you who take a risk, huh?
Would you like to discuss it with the Hutts?

did u even understand WHERE smily?
can u answer for it - show me location of "GULAG" where convicted gamedesigners r kept.

and please read entire message, without taking anything out of it, at ur own discretion.

busines ed to ofer me to buy something. i, at my own diskretion, can buy or no buy. and also, exprss my opinion, which ed can listen to or not. leaving my comments i show that market is interested. and al urs - "la-la-la, boo-boo-boo, you r lauging, gulag, poor businesmen" - keep to urself.

Edited January 24 by pjbunnyru

[Creampie]

On 1/24/2025 at 7:14 AM, draconus said:

8 dollars? That's what single FC aircraft is on sale. But if you think clickable cockpit is the only difference between FC and FF you're clearly not the target for the product they'll make.

Easy to laugh it out when it's not you who take a risk, huh?
Would you like to discuss it with the Hutts?

Thank you for solidifying my point of the $8 Mig29.

Clicky cockpits are fun, its what I want in a module. But for most people it not really offering anything aside from that, I personally don't think it will offer us much. 

[draconus]

While FC have its share of players I'm pretty sure majority of DCS players prefer full fidelity. You decide for yourself if it's good enough offering or your money's worth.

[radulandinho]

I don't know to which section this belongs to, so i'm posting here. 

When i have watched the 2025 announcement, i was intrigued to see a silhouette of what seemed like a stealth plane. I then read in the comments it was an F-35 and was intrigued by it. I thought it was against DCS dogma to engage in such flights of fancy as to design a plane few people know much about.  And no one can confirm or deny how accurate the simulation will be. I am not surprised that it created some controversy. It might be a good idea financially, but it will further fracture the community, and cannot rally take part in multiplayer. The red team is now getting it first 4. gen. airplane when the blue team is getting the F-35. So I propose that you make a 5 gen. REDFOR fighter next. Like the Eagle Dynamics Su-99 Atari. Limited by modern technology and your creativity. I guess your people know as much about virtual aerodynamics and avionics as anybody. So you could make it as real as any other. I, and maybe many other players would be happy to buy it. It could help integrate the F-35, and would make the game better... Thank you for considering it.

[Furiz]

Only 2 posts but you surely know a lot about DCS.

My best guess is another fake account to steer up the drama and troll around.

[radulandinho]

Thanks. I've been called a troll before. Maybe i only speak when i have something to say.

[MAXsenna]

1 hour ago, radulandinho said:

but it will further fracture the community,

Please, do enlighten me!  

1 hour ago, radulandinho said:

and cannot rally take part in multiplayer

In what way? I would think it's up to the server admins and mission creators, not? Even so, won't matter much as the SP community dwarves the MP community. 

1 hour ago, radulandinho said:

So I propose that you make a 5 gen. REDFOR fighter next. Like the Eagle Dynamics Su-99 Atari.

Nah, it will be a remake of the Microprose F-19.  

[Cab]

18 minutes ago, radulandinho said:

Thanks. I've been called a troll before. Maybe i only speak when i have something to say.

No comment 

[BIGNEWY]

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[Supernova-III]

Anyway guys, how do you know if we actually have accurate simulation of existing planes? How much of us flown F-14/15/16/18? Or maybe Sukhoi's planes? So ask yourself, what do you really mean by saying "I wanna have realistic model". Most of us will never have possibility to verify that the plane flies the way it does in reality. Same to aircraft systems. Most of us have a very limited knowledge how it should work. I'm not even saying about the right feel in the aircraft which is anyway different even for every single pilot. So maybe we have to stop that madness with ultra-realism? It's fine if there's something well-known about the aircraft and it modeled this way in DCS. But otherwise you won't ever verify this anyway.

Just now, Supernova-III said:

I'm not even saying

woops, I said it

[Supernova-III]

DCS is still a simulator. It's still a waaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than WT (the DCS recently started being compared to). It models the systems. In realistic way or not. ED will strive to implement this as realistic as possible if there's info. In every other way, it may help ED to earn more money and finally release my favorite Su-25. Maybe