MiG-29A Fulcrum Pre-order

[Tarres]

As @Raven (Elysian Angel) said, the S was the 9.13S (or the 9.12S, there was an option for the 9.12 to be upgraded with the S package except for the internal ECM) as an incremental update. Note that the standard 9.13 has the internal ECM in the enlarged spine. 9.13S focused on a new radar/WCS (mainly AA)

9.13S was dropped in favour of the 9.15 (29M) as a modernized variant with more comprensive updates (AA and AG), so only a dozen or so of the 9.13S entered in service. Due to the lack of funds in the nineties and the preeminence of Sukhoi in the "Halls of Power" in the Kremlin no "upgraded or modenized" variants were developed and all the founds went to the Sukhoi OKB and to the SU-27 family,

Edited May 17 by Tarres

[Rinze]

6 hours ago, splash said:

I was waiting for ages!! I hope the next ones be a Su-25, Su-27, etc. first day buying for all of them.

Yes that would be great, I think that E.D. knows by now that we as players would like to see more redfor FF planes.  I thought that was not so easy, this had more to do with politics I once understood..

But a few years ago we could only dream of a FF Mig 29, now the end is in sight.  let the countdown begin.

1 minute ago, Rinze said:

Yes that would be great, I think that E.D. knows by now that we as players would like to see more redfor FF planes.  I thought that was not so easy, this had more to do with politics I once understood..

But a few years ago we could only dream of a FF Mig 29, now the end is in sight.  let the countdown begin.

Oh and DLC makers certainly don't hold back with nice missions for this awesome plane!

[apolloace]

A cold start video from Wags would be nice, while we wait for the EA release.

[Rikus]

So if finally ED do the "Downgraded version", well i don´t want it.

I can live with no R77, but R27T/ET and ER is a must for me.

To be at least a bit competitive...

[dekiplav]

1 hour ago, Rikus said:

So if finally ED do the "Downgraded version", well i don´t want it.

I can live with no R77, but R27T/ET and ER is a must for me.

To be at least a bit competitive...

Honestly, in my opinion, the MiG-29 9.12A is a serious threat in an ’80s Cold War setting. It outperforms the F-16A both BVR and WVR, holds its own against the F-15A at range, and beats it in a dogfight. The F-14A with AIM-54s is a bit of a problem at distance, but up close, the MiG has the advantage.

I mean, with the helmet sight, IRST, and R-73 combo, it dominates WVR against pretty much everything. I wouldn’t call it anything less than a top-tier threat for that era.

Sure, going up against a 2007 F/A-18C with datalink and 10 AIM-120C-5s is a different story but in the ’80s Cold War context, this thing is one of the deadliest in the sky.

I’m really excited for the MiG-29. I hope it sells well and opens the door to more Cold War jets from both sides—MiG-23, Su-27, F-15A, F-16A, Su-17M4.

Edited May 17 by dekiplav

[Flummi]

Bought too!

[diego999]

Looks nice. Maybe in 3-4 years when it's worth it.

No more preorders for me.

[TOViper]

Will the EA release contain a manual with the most important items like checklists for all phases of flight/engagement?

[Gunfreak]

2 hours ago, dekiplav said:

Honestly, in my opinion, the MiG-29 9.12A is a serious threat in an ’80s Cold War setting. It outperforms the F-16A both BVR and WVR, holds its own against the F-15A at range, and beats it in a dogfight. The F-14A with AIM-54s is a bit of a problem at distance, but up close, the MiG has the advantage.

I mean, with the helmet sight, IRST, and R-73 combo, it dominates WVR against pretty much everything. I wouldn’t call it anything less than a top-tier threat for that era.

Sure, going up against a 2007 F/A-18C with datalink and 10 AIM-120C-5s is a different story but in the ’80s Cold War context, this thing is one of the deadliest in the sky.

I’m really excited for the MiG-29. I hope it sells well and opens the door to more Cold War jets from both sides—MiG-23, Su-27, F-15A, F-16A, Su-17M4.

But how prevalent would it be?

By the end of the cold war. There was plenty of R73s. But given how stuff usually work for military stuff. It can take a while before they actually reach units. And then you'd often get stuff like half a squadron having the new stuff. Or aircraft flying 1 new missiles and the rest holder stuff. Given it was in use from 84. How many Warsaw Pact MiG29 units would have the R73s in 85, 87 or 88. 

Even MIG29 itself wasn't that common untill the middle of the 80s. With the 23 still being the main front line fighter untill mid 80s.

None of that matter you just fly the 29 in some generic 80s Cold War server.

But if you are doing a realistic ealy 80s scenario. There shouldn't be any R73 at all. And not that many 29s either. And even in 85/86 I would think the R60M would be more common on the 29. And then it's advantage in dogfighting vs the F16 wouldn't be there at all. And not vs M2000 either. And far from a certain victory vs the F15A either.

Now in a 88-90 Scenario the 29 would be a bit of a beast in the merge.

[SAM77]

6 hours ago, Rikus said:

So if finally ED do the "Downgraded version", well i don´t want it.

I can live with no R77, but R27T/ET and ER is a must for me.

To be at least a bit competitive...

I hear you on being competitive. I fly the S version mainly and have recently used the A version to get ready for this. I find with the A its launch/hit/miss and run. Especially when its 1 vs 2. In the S you can be more aggressive, but you still have to know when to bug out. I'm still going to get it regardless. I just hope the number of purchases is high enough to make ED give more attention to Red.

[Hammer1-1]

are we there yet?

[SOLIDKREATE]

1 hour ago, Hammer1-1 said:

are we there yet?

 

[PharohX]

How can those who use STEAM take advantage of this %30 discount offer? Or is this offer biased towards non-steam applications. Thanks

[SOLIDKREATE]

11 minutes ago, PharohX said:

How can those who use STEAM take advantage of this %30 discount offer? Or is this offer biased towards non-steam applications. Thanks

 

There is no bias only Zuul, lol j/k

 

Steam requires a set date and ED does not have one. I think they gte held legally liable if they miss that date too. Steam is really scummy now.

[PharohX]

14 minutes ago, SOLIDKREATE said:

 

There is no bias only Zuul, lol j/k

 

Steam requires a set date and ED does not have one. I think they gte held legally liable if they miss that date too. Steam is really scummy now.

Ok , thanks for clearing it up a bit. Still they are offering something to some and not to others. If they are doing business with steam, than do business with steam. Money is money and customers are customers. Imagine if they lost the revenue stream from STEAM. Not everyone will buy from them directly without a middleman. Exactly why systems like PayPal exist for instance.

[Freakmeister51]

15 hours ago, decodeddiesel said:

Purchased. 

I am a kid of the 80s and the MiG-29 was always my favorite Soviet airframe.  I'm going to finally start the Kursant campaign in the L-39 to prepare.

Are you going to put it on YouTube? I have Kursant too but haven’t been able to progress it passed the first mission.

[draconus]

3 hours ago, PharohX said:

Still they are offering something to some and not to others.

No, everyone is free to preorder from ED with 30% discount.

3 hours ago, Freakmeister51 said:

I have Kursant too but haven’t been able to progress it passed the first mission.

https://forum.dcs.world/forum/518-l-39-kursant/

[Freakmeister51]

19 minutes ago, draconus said:

No, everyone is free to preorder from ED with 30% discount.

https://forum.dcs.world/forum/518-l-39-kursant/

Thanks Draconus.

[Lenux]

Will be there a pilot body, from cockpit view? 

[draconus]

20 minutes ago, Lenux said:

Will be there a pilot body, from cockpit view? 

Yes:

• Highly detailed pilot model with HMS.

[Tango3B]

Before I decide to pre-order the MiG-29, I need an answer to the following question. Does the MiG-29 come with all Radar and IRST modes available at EA release or not? This question is absolutely decisive for my purchase decision, since I am absolutely unwilling to buy any new module that goes into EA with only half the radar modes available and will only be at an acceptable level in two to three years. Sadly, I have seen this too many times now. So, simple question, since other developers actually managed to achieve this at EA release. Is the functionality of Radar and IRST at Early Access release complete or not?

[norbot]

55 minutes ago, RVT2403 said:

Not sure how much F-35 is in this module. I'll pass.

I don‘t really understand what you mean. You mean that parts of the modelled systems are copied from the F-35?

Edited Sunday at 04:44 PM by norbot

[MA_VMF]

19 часов назад, Gunfreak сказал:

ven MIG29 itself wasn't that common untill the middle of the 80s. With the 23 still being the main front line fighter untill mid 80s.

From 1982 to 2012, 715 units were built. The main part was released in the 80s. The story is the same with the R-73. Serial production was very massive

Edited Sunday at 05:43 PM by MA_VMF

[Hammer1-1]

1 hour ago, norbot said:

I don‘t really understand what you mean. You mean that parts of the modelled systems are copied from the F-35?

no its because ED chose to do an F35 module and its feared a lot of stuff is going to be guesstimated rather than accurate.

[DragonSoulkin]

12 hours ago, SOLIDKREATE said:

Steam is really scummy now.

Heh...no. Steam is fed up with scummy developers and wants to hold them accountable.