MiG-29A Fulcrum Pre-order

[Lenux]

3 hours ago, draconus said:

Yes:

• Highly detailed pilot model with HMS.

I thought it was from external view. 

[Gunfreak]

1 hour ago, MA_VMF said:

From 1982 to 2012, 715 units were built. The main part was released in the 80s. The story is the same with the R-73. Serial production was very massive

And yet the MiG23 was the main soviet fighter untill the mid 80.

In 1990 the soviet union had 1500 Mg23s in service.

The first units to get operational MiG29s was the guard units who got them around 85. 

While Warsaw Pack countries like East Germany and Poland only got them in 87-89 period and then only in small numbers (less than 30 each) 

So no the MiG29 would not be extremely common for most of the 80s. 

One thing is making the thing itself. The other is making the logistics needed for them. Training pilots and ground crew. 

Same would go for the R73 too. Having a million on them in storage isn't as them being combat ready. Old stocks wouldn't just be thrown away. 

In the west AIM-9M and even Ls would be used long into the 9s and beyond.

Sure if the soviet planned a major ww3 thing. They would try and get their best missiles to the front line. But the 1980s wasn't exactly the high point of soviet military might.

[MA_VMF]

6 минут назад, Gunfreak сказал:

The first units to get operational MiG29s was the guard units who got them around 85. 

What nonsense are you writing. The first MiG-29s arrived in the 82nd year, by the 85th year there were already 600 aircraft

https://parkpatriot.ru/o-parke/tekhnika-parka/samolet-mig-29/

This particular aircraft has been in service since the year 84

Because in the 86th year, the release of 9-13 has already begun.

 

8 минут назад, Gunfreak сказал:

So no the MiG29 would not be extremely common for most of the 80s. 

Another piece of nonsense

http://mig.mariwoj.pl/mig-29-ru.htm

12 минут назад, Gunfreak сказал:

Same would go for the R73 too. Having a million on them in storage isn't as them being combat ready. Old stocks wouldn't just be thrown away. 

Another piece of nonsense

They did not immediately become part of the MiG-29 armament, as there was no instruction from the Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force to equip the aircraft with these missiles.

[Repvez]

When will be upgrade the damage model? It looks so arcad and poor beside the almost real looking 3d models? Always there is the same animation for the AC 3 pieces each time the main fuselage and the 2 wing tips. And what about the FM ? how can be to fly without wings if the FM so good?

[SOLIDKREATE]

1 hour ago, DragonSoulkin said:

Heh...no. Steam is fed up with scummy developers and wants to hold them accountable.

30% isn't scummy?

[Hammer1-1]

2 hours ago, Gunfreak said:

So no the MiG29 would not be extremely common for most of the 80s. 

 

one of my first models ever built as a kid was a mig-29, not long after Top Gun was released. not ironically, was the same exact mig we're waiting on now, so to say that it wasnt relevant in the 80s at all is kind of...irrelevant, so to speak.

23 minutes ago, SOLIDKREATE said:

30% isn't scummy?

he's not wrong...this whole "own nothing and be happy" approach most game devs are taking now should be put back in their place. Shouldnt have to be online just to enjoy something I paid good money to play (and yes that includes ED).

[virgo47]

2 hours ago, MA_VMF said:

What nonsense are you writing. The first MiG-29s arrived in the 82nd year, by the 85th year there were already 600 aircraft

https://parkpatriot.ru/o-parke/tekhnika-parka/samolet-mig-29/

This particular aircraft has been in service since the year 84

Because in the 86th year, the release of 9-13 has already begun.

What about other Warsaw Pact countries? As far as I know, Czechoslovakia got MiG-29s just before the 1990s started, similarly GDR... so it's a matter of interpretation to some degree, but realistically, MiG-29 was not the backbone of any air force, not even Russian during most of the 1980s.

I can only translate the page, but it doesn't seem to firmly suggest there were 600 units in 1985, even generous estimates are more in the 200-300 range. And when it comes to the potential front line, e.g. Germany/Czechoslovakia - we had MiG-23, many 21s as well, and various Su bombers. MiG-29 was a sci-fi for most of the 1980s here.

[Gunfreak]

23 minutes ago, Hammer1-1 said:

one of my first models ever built as a kid was a mig-29, not long after Top Gun was released. not ironically, was the same exact mig we're waiting on now, so to say that it wasnt relevant in the 80s at all is kind of...irrelevant, so to speak.

 

I didn't say irrelevant. I said the main Soviet fighter until the mid 80(85-87) would be the MiG23. Which it was. 

None of the links given over support his claim. None say that 600 was made by 85.

That 800 29s had been made by the 1990 gived zero support for the 29 being the main soviet fighter in 85-87.

I've found no source that list all soviet aviation regiments and what they used during the 80s. I've found a few random regiment. Some had MiG29s by 86 or 88. Some didn't get them until 90. I do find many that still use the 23. 

I also find that Poland and East Germany didn't get their own 29s until 88 and 89. And then less than 30 each.

I also find that some 500 were in operation with the soviet airforce in 1990. Which again is fine. But 1990 isn't mid 80s. And the Soviet airforce still had 1500 23s in service at this point.(granted many of those in fighter bomber configuration)

The whole point is. If you are doing a scenario set in 83-85. The MiG29 would not be the main soviet fighter(they were still converting older 23s to MLD specs in 85) and Poland and East Germany didn't have any until the late 80s. 

Saying well it entered service in this and this date. Therefore there would be 500 operational ones within a year or two. Don't sound realistic. 

Churning stuff out of a factory is the easy part. Training pilots and crew, adding logistics can take far longer. The 29 suffering from a lot of technical faults. With something like 65% readiness in the mid 80s but up tp 90% by the end of the 80s. 

 

[Hammer1-1]

Im pretty sure the Mig29 was never "the main fighter"...but to say that its not an 80s aircraft is wrong. Just because it wasnt front line anywhere doesnt mean it wont work because it obviously will. Aint nothing in DCS thats time frame relevant.

[MA_VMF]

5 часов назад, virgo47 сказал:

What about other Warsaw Pact countries? As far as I know, Czechoslovakia got MiG-29s just before the 1990s started, similarly GDR... so it's a matter of interpretation to some degree, but realistically, MiG-29 was not the backbone of any air force, not even Russian during most of the 1980s.

I can only translate the page, but it doesn't seem to firmly suggest there were 600 units in 1985, even generous estimates are more in the 200-300 range. And when it comes to the potential front line, e.g. Germany/Czechoslovakia - we had MiG-23, many 21s as well, and various Su bombers. MiG-29 was a sci-fi for most of the 1980s here.

You don't seem to be reading well. The main part of the 9-12 aircraft was built in the period from 82 to 85. The Warsaw Pact began to receive 86th

[MA_VMF]

6 часов назад, virgo47 сказал:

I can only translate the page, but it doesn't seem to firmly suggest there were 600 units in 1985, even generous estimates are more in the 200-300 range. And when it comes to the potential front line, e.g. Germany/Czechoslovakia - we had MiG-23, many 21s as well, and various Su bombers. MiG-29 was a sci-fi for most of the 1980s here.

In the 83rd year alone, the Soviet Air Force received 50 aircraft.By the 91st year, the USSR had 800 MiG-29 aircraft in its fleet.

Edited Monday at 04:14 AM by MA_VMF

[SOLIDKREATE]

I'm just curious what the MPG is in the FF MiG-29 . I just started to understand the FC3 version. Man you don't need burners to take off. Those engines are damn powerful. I was able to outrun an F-14 or something Blue at about 10m off the water at full burner to drag him into our SAM's. He hit me twice, must have been AIM-9's. This baby just took them both. I wanna say I was doing 1350+ or 1300+. I was very quickly glancing at my hud but more focus on my mirrors and the water rushing up to "high-five" if I make a mistake. Very tense situation on Caucaus

Edited Monday at 03:33 AM by SOLIDKREATE

[PawlaczGMD]

I'll preorder it when there's a release date. No point in locking my money earlier.

[SOLIDKREATE]

34 minutes ago, PawlaczGMD said:

I'll preorder it when there's a release date. No point in locking my money earlier.

 

The point is getting it at the sale price.

[PawlaczGMD]

8 minutes ago, SOLIDKREATE said:

 

The point is getting it at the sale price.

My understanding is that it will be at that discount until EA release, not just until the release date is known? 

[PharohX]

19 hours ago, draconus said:

No, everyone is free to preorder from ED with 30% discount.

https://forum.dcs.world/forum/518-l-39-kursant/

OK, Do you have a link for the the Steam users to take advantage of the discount? You had a link however it did not go to any purchasing links, Thanks

[draconus]

1 hour ago, PharohX said:

OK, Do you have a link for the the Steam users to take advantage of the discount? You had a link however it did not go to any purchasing links, Thanks

You well know already that there is no MiG-29 to pre-purchase from Steam. It is in ED's E-shop: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/shop/modules/fulcrum/

Being Steam user or not you're free to use that link and buy a product at 30% discount, what's stopping you? Steam does not prevent users from buying from other game shops. Of course you'll have to use it in standalone version of DCS.

[Art-J]

Pre-order with discount for Steam guys will most likely happen, just at a later date (when ED can finally submit planned release date to Valve). That's what happened with other recent ED aircraft modules, so I don't expect MiG-29 to be an exception. 

No need to hurry, you will get your discount, just wait for it. Preorders won't make module release faster anyway.

Edited Monday at 08:44 AM by Art-J

[Beirut]

3 hours ago, Art-J said:

Pre-order with discount for Steam guys will most likely happen, just at a later date (when ED can finally submit planned release date to Valve). That's what happened with other recent ED aircraft modules, so I don't expect MiG-29 to be an exception. 

No need to hurry, you will get your discount, just wait for it. Preorders won't make module release faster anyway.

 

Yeah, I got all the DCS discounts on my Steam purchases, I just had to wait until release day sometimes. Can't remember which module, but the discount wasn't listed, I mentioned it here and it kicked in pretty quick afterwards. No complaints about Steam from me. 

[BIGNEWY]

removed off topic. Please stay on topic for the threads title. 

 

3 minutes ago, Beirut said:

 

Yeah, I got all the DCS discounts on my Steam purchases, I just had to wait until release day sometimes. Can't remember which module, but the discount wasn't listed, I mentioned it here and it kicked in pretty quick afterwards. No complaints about Steam from me. 

steam prices can confuse people as the discount is included, regardless, steam prices should always match the Eshop. 

thank you 

[Mig_FliegerA71]

The Mig-29 as a fully simulated module is certainly very good,
but I would prefer a real Soviet fighter-bomber module (Su-17/20/22 or Mig-27). I would buy that immediately, especially since I was able to see the Mig-27 in action.

That would fit very well with the Germany map. At least six airfields in the GDR were occupied by fighter-bombers in the early 1980s: Lärz, Brand, and Finsterwalde with Mig-27s, and Templin, Neuruppin, and Allstedt with Su-17s. I have the Mig-29 in FC, so that's enough for me for now.

Best regards

[Beirut]

3 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

removed off topic. Please stay on topic for the threads title. 

 

steam prices can confuse people as the discount is included, regardless, steam prices should always match the Eshop. 

thank you 

 

Wasn't confused, just saying that one of the modules recently didn't have the discount included when the module came up for sale on Steam.  Took a day or two I think and then the discount was enacted. No complaints, just mentioning it.

[Arecibo]

If I hadn't got the F-14 and F-16 lined up behind the F-4, I'd be all over this. Loved the MiG-29 as a kid

[bies]

Yes! After all this years - Fulcrum.

And in the purest, best looking original variant, with the best kinematoc performance!

This early Fulcrum was a rocket ship, before they started to add more and more stuff to it.

Thanks ED.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

On 5/18/2025 at 3:42 PM, SOLIDKREATE said:

30% isn't scummy?

Considering that 30% goes into the support of Steamworks (which picked up the slack for many games when Gamespy went down years ago, free of charge), development of the software that makes it infinitely superior to any comparable service, expansion of features, the advent of new tech both in terms of software AND hardware, as well as excellent customer support and protections, and many other features?

No. No, it is not 'scummy.' Not by a long shot. The only reason it became a talking point is because Tim Sweeney, noted scumbag, planted that line in an effort to gather support for Epic's own vastly inferior platform at a time when it was even more barebones than it is today.

This is perfectly demonstrable when you compare the fates of the 1998 releases of Half-Life and Unreal.

You can still purchase Half-Life without issue. It saw a switch from World Opponents Network to Steamworks fully in the mid 00's, has been updated to function with modern monitors, and STILL receives software updates from time to time to fix issues.

Unreal has to be acquired through a fan site now as Epic has delisted them from sale. Any updates have to come from enthusiasts taking their time out from their days to develop them. EVERYTHING has to be done by the community. I guess it's cool Epic gave oldUnreal the blessing to distribute the ISOs, though?