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Well, in most pvp red vs blue servers in MP in order to "balance" sides...teams need to be mixed with blue/red planes, so there are F-16 vs F-18 etc. Since FF RED fighters "are not common" and perspective of F-35...wouldn't it be a smart move to introduce RED 4+/5 GEN planes in FC standard? Otherwise in modern scenario it always will be blue 4+, 5 gen vs red 4 gen, and that will cause unrealistic mixture of planes in game.

Yes, I am aware of mods, but mods are mods...for some they work-for others not. And they are still quite popular, so how about that ED? 

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I can't believe you are the first person to think of this... Oh wait...


Please run a search on the forum, and feel free to reply to the existing threads on this topic...

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Posted
50 minutes ago, Scorpion27 said:

..wouldn't it be a smart move to introduce RED 4+/5 GEN planes in FC standard?

 

ED already said that there would be no more FC-level modules released in the future.

 

PS: And "balance" is a gaming concept, while this is a Simulator, not a game  🙂 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Scorpion27 said:

Well, in most pvp red vs blue servers in MP in order to "balance" sides...teams need to be mixed with blue/red planes, so there are F-16 vs F-18 etc. Since FF RED fighters "are not common" and perspective of F-35...wouldn't it be a smart move to introduce RED 4+/5 GEN planes in FC standard? Otherwise in modern scenario it always will be blue 4+, 5 gen vs red 4 gen, and that will cause unrealistic mixture of planes in game.

Yes, I am aware of mods, but mods are mods...for some they work-for others not. And they are still quite popular, so how about that ED? 

ED has none plans yet to add none RED 4+/5 Gen planes to FC.

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11 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said:

 

ED already said that there would be no more FC-level modules released in the future.

 

PS: And "balance" is a gaming concept, while this is a Simulator, not a game  🙂 

Just to expand on this, for the sake of clarity, there's no balance in DCS from a mechanical or developer deemed perspective.

Balance is decided upon and created by the mission makers.

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Posted
13 hours ago, Scorpion27 said:

wouldn't it be a smart move to introduce RED 4+/5 GEN planes in FC standard?

90% work for 20% price is not very smart. They still need public docs, licenses and government cooperation. Yes, they added some birds with FC2024 but they already had most of the work done as FF modules.

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15 hours ago, Rudel_chw said:

 

ED already said that there would be no more FC-level modules released in the future.

 

PS: And "balance" is a gaming concept, while this is a Simulator, not a game  🙂 

Im not a fan at all of "we need balance  so F-16s are RED, F-18s are BLUE" but that's the BS we have to deal with on MP servers - and guess what...all the realism that is on everybody's agenda goes out the window.

We never gonna get FF Su-27/30/35/57 for obvious reasons. We could get FC those above but no for ED reasons, so it is what it is.

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2 minutes ago, Scorpion27 said:

Im not a fan at all of "we need balance  so F-16s are RED, F-18s are BLUE" but that's the BS we have to deal with on MP servers - and guess what...all the realism that is on everybody's agenda goes out the window.

Change the server then.

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3 minutes ago, draconus said:

Change the server then.

Are you getting paid for discrediting discusion that doesn't fit holly narrative or is it just a hobby. 9L answered that it is not planned. Ok, in my opinion thats not the best idea but well money talks. I understand that . 

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2 minutes ago, Scorpion27 said:

Are you getting paid for discrediting discusion that doesn't fit holly narrative or is it just a hobby.

I'm trying to help end your frustration, for free, and you're welcome. It's not a game's fault that some mission creator puts USN aircraft vs USAF.

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19 minutes ago, Scorpion27 said:

We never gonna get FF Su-27/

Never say never. It'll either be it or the Su-25 as the next Redfor if the MiG-29 sells well. I have high hopes it does. 

21 minutes ago, Scorpion27 said:

We could get FC those above but no for ED reasons, so it is what it is.

No, this is the main reason. 

3 hours ago, draconus said:

90% work for 20% price is not very smart. They still need public docs, licenses and government cooperation. Yes, they added some birds with FC2024 but they already had most of the work done as FF modules.

 

10 minutes ago, Scorpion27 said:

Are you getting paid for discrediting discusion that doesn't fit holly narrative or is it just a hobby.

What are you picking on him for? He just explained what ED has been saying for years. I totally understand your frustration, and you're absolutely not alone.

12 minutes ago, Scorpion27 said:

9L answered that it is not planned.

Don't let your feelings run away with you, and try to read what people actually write. It was actually BN that answered above. 😉 

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12 minutes ago, Scorpion27 said:

Are you getting paid for discrediting discusion that doesn't fit holly narrative or is it just a hobby. 9L answered that it is not planned. Ok, in my opinion thats not the best idea but well money talks. I understand that . 

It's not that money rules, it's that there are licenses and governments involved here. We have a third party, which is Chinese, and it has been very clear that it has to be very careful about what it can and can't do. The same thing happens to ED, which was Russian, and it also has problems with what it can and can't do. It's simply not seeing yourself in a legal situation or worse, simply because of a desire.

Su-25 ang -27 has none confirmed yet, but remembe we have incoming a Mig-29, and surely the others FC aircraft will be on a future as a FF modules (no by russia, but by other country).

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2 minutes ago, Silver_Dragon said:

Su-25 ang -27 has none confirmed yet, but remembe we have incoming a Mig-29, and surely the others FC aircraft will be on a future as a FF modules (no by russia, but by other country).

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Here's an idea, one that's been brought up loads of times before:

Instead of trying to make unfeasible REDFOR aircraft, make BLUFOR aircraft that are peer contemporaries of REDFOR aircraft that can actually be made.

80s F-16A Block 10/15 or F-15A for instance - both would fit very well on the Germany map.

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Posted
14 minutes ago, Northstar98 said:

Here's an idea, one that's been brought up loads of times before:

Instead of trying to make unfeasible REDFOR aircraft, make BLUFOR aircraft that are peer contemporaries of REDFOR aircraft that can actually be made.

80s F-16A Block 10/15 or F-15A for instance - both would fit very well on the Germany map.

The problem is the same as always: who does it? ED apparently has no plans for an A version of the F-15/F-16. Remember the F-15C entered production in 1978; it's plausible see them on the Germany map (on a C of MISP I version).

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@draconus i'm sorry for my attitude - just as mutch as You (and me) would like VR support for Combined Arms, I would like to have high tech RED fighters even in FC standard (we will probably see still lot of FC Su-27 pilots while FF MiG-29 will be available)

Yes im totally aware that ED declared no more FC or FF RED (aside from fulcrum) - but im missing LOMAC times when opposig fighters were equally deadly to each other. I just hate to see those servers mixing platform for "balance" in order to have pilots willing to fight on both sides.

Probably its not a server designer main idea to make it unrealistic - his idea is to make it playabe: that is give red side capable platform (usually fox3 /aim-120/ capable) so, I interpret this situation as actual demand from players for highly capable red platform.

Also think that reminding ED from time to time customers request on different things (even if it was discused sometime in 2022) may have some positive effects. I did my part here so I'll just shut da fak up til 2029 with this issue.

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Posted
15 hours ago, Scorpion27 said:

Yes im totally aware that ED declared no more FC or FF RED (aside from fulcrum)

They have said no such thing. On the other hand they've said it will depend on the MiG-29 sales. 😊 

Cheers! 

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On 7/7/2025 at 7:12 PM, Rudel_chw said:

 

ED already said that there would be no more FC-level modules released in the future.

 

PS: And "balance" is a gaming concept, while this is a Simulator, not a game  🙂 

To be honest, I don't know how helpful the terms "game" and "simulation" really are to explain what DCS is, what it's not and what it aims for. 
Cause, what IS a game? How do you define it? Doesn't DCS fit into thhis definition? And if it does, what does that really tells you? 

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2 minutes ago, SteelPig said:

To be honest, I don't know how helpful the terms "game" and "simulation" really are to explain what DCS is, what it's not and what it aims for. 
Cause, what IS a game? How do you define it? Doesn't DCS fit into thhis definition? And if it does, what does that really tells you? 

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3 minutes ago, draconus said:

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That's exactly the point. A pretty chart that doesn't tell you anything relevant. 
What does "video game" mean? How do you define it? What fits into this definition and why? And what not? 

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Oh no, we seem to have started down the game / simulation rabbit hole. 

DCS is a simulation game, a sandbox, for entertainment purposes. 

 

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