Possible replacements for the Razbam modules if reconcilation isn't possible?

[upyr1]

Since it looks like the sun is setting on the Razbam modules.  I'm wondering it would be out of the question for Ed and possibly some other developer to get started on a replacement for them. 

[Kang]

I doubt that's going to happen, as it might cause more trouble.

It would force the previous modules into deprecation, thus only speeding up their decay status of 'continue to work as-is'. That would make me at least not so happy about paying full price to get them back again. Any sort of discount for previous owners would eat a lot into the profit margin, seeing how, say, the Harrier enthusiasts most likely are previous owners in a vast majority of the DCS community.

But one can dream, I reckon.

[Exorcet]

Replacement as in someone else develops the same planes and the people who own the originals get to swap them out, sounds unlikely. Replacement as in someone else at some point makes the same planes and sells them as new modules, sure. I have no qualms buying them, if well made and supported, again as they would be their own individual modules with all the work that entails, but I wouldn't expect that for quite some time.

[upyr1]

57 minutes ago, Kang said:

I doubt that's going to happen, as it might cause more trouble.

It would force the previous modules into deprecation, thus only speeding up their decay status of 'continue to work as-is'. That would make me at least not so happy about paying full price to get them back again. Any sort of discount for previous owners would eat a lot into the profit margin, seeing how, say, the Harrier enthusiasts most likely are previous owners in a vast majority of the DCS community.

But one can dream, I reckon.

@NineLine Would have more information but if nothing changes the module will stop working after 2.9 so this means we'll either need to maintain an old DCS 2.9 along side our hardrives, ED and RB have to come to an agrement, or ED needs to step in and get replacement modules going. 

 

54 minutes ago, Exorcet said:

Replacement as in someone else develops the same planes and the people who own the originals get to swap them out, sounds unlikely. Replacement as in someone else at some point makes the same planes and sells them as new modules, sure. I have no qualms buying them, if well made and supported, again as they would be their own individual modules with all the work that entails, but I wouldn't expect that for quite some time.

I know that ED has given some people refunds for the Strike Eagle it was for in store credits. 

[Kang]

5 minutes ago, upyr1 said:

@NineLine Would have more information but if nothing changes the module will stop working after 2.9 so this means we'll either need to maintain an old DCS 2.9 along side our hardrives, ED and RB have to come to an agrement, or ED needs to step in and get replacement modules going. 

 

Perhaps you are right and I am really misjudging the timelines there. No idea how far away a DCS 3.0 really is.

[ruxtmp]

58 minutes ago, Kang said:

Perhaps you are right and I am really misjudging the timelines there. No idea how far away a DCS 3.0 really is.

Based on there current rate of updates 10 to 15 years

[Mr_sukebe]

My thoughts and hope on this is:

- I’m not expecting Razbam back

- I’m hoping that the initial agreement between Raz and ED was purely about the argument over payment to Razbam and the potential issue about intellectual property

- if the above is true, that it might still leave the Harrier, M2000, Mig19 and F15e modules as IP property  owned by Razbam.  If so, then may be Raz could sell the IP/source code to ED or another 3rd party, who could then take on responsibility to maintain and also the opportunity to start selling them again.  Being realistic, I’d be a bit skeptical of the sales potential for the first 3 of the modules that I mentioned, despite owning and liking them all.  However, I’d happily buy the F15E again, and for a developer who fancies getting into DCS, it might be a good way to open some doors.

[upyr1]

1 hour ago, ruxtmp said:

Based on there current rate of updates 10 to 15 years

Hopefully we'll see a Razbam/ED reunion. I know a lot of mud was flying but when money is involved emotions can get high but portraits of Mr. Franklin or King Charles' can calm things down. 

1 hour ago, Mr_sukebe said:

My thoughts and hope on this is:

- I’m not expecting Razbam back

- I’m hoping that the initial agreement between Raz and ED was purely about the argument over payment to Razbam and the potential issue about intellectual property

- if the above is true, that it might still leave the Harrier, M2000, Mig19 and F15e modules as IP property  owned by Razbam.  If so, then may be Raz could sell the IP/source code to ED or another 3rd party, who could then take on responsibility to maintain and also the opportunity to start selling them again.  Being realistic, I’d be a bit skeptical of the sales potential for the first 3 of the modules that I mentioned, despite owning and liking them all.  However, I’d happily buy the F15E again, and for a developer who fancies getting into DCS, it might be a good way to open some doors.

If Razbam isn't coming back the I hope they are willing to sell the modules to Eagle or other developers.  My dream would be to see HB take over the Mud Hen so we get jester as the F-15E WSO

[upyr1]

2 hours ago, Kang said:

Perhaps you are right and I am really misjudging the timelines there. No idea how far away a DCS 3.0 really is.

I don't know the timelines but given the choice between buying replacements and not having the aircraft in question I would rather buy the ED Harrier 

[Rotor_Vibes]

What about different versions of the aircraft from Eagle Dynamics instead? Something like a Mirage 2000-5, Mirage 2000D, Harrier AV-8B Plus or Harrier GR7/9? F-15EX maybe?

[SharpeXB]

1 hour ago, Rotor_Vibes said:

What about different versions of the aircraft from Eagle Dynamics instead? Something like a Mirage 2000-5, Mirage 2000D, Harrier AV-8B Plus or Harrier GR7/9? F-15EX maybe?

Now you’re talkin’

[upyr1]

3 hours ago, Rotor_Vibes said:

What about different versions of the aircraft from Eagle Dynamics instead? Something like a Mirage 2000-5, Mirage 2000D, Harrier AV-8B Plus or Harrier GR7/9? F-15EX maybe?

Why not multiple versions?

 

[Tom Kazansky]

The "when?" seems to be the problem to me not the "why not?".