Walk around feature

[Someone]

I think that I, and others here, reasonably interpreted your comment as "please reconsider your planes to make the walk around feature required, like it is in msfs."

But anyway, I am happy to report: it is not required.

[Antix70]

4 minutes ago, Someone said:

I think that I, and others here, reasonably interpreted your comment as "please reconsider your planes to make the walk around feature required, like it is in msfs."

But anyway, I am happy to report: it is not required.

REASONABLY????? 
Let me AGAIN quote what I said.
"So long as such a thing is not a requirement, I'm not even 100 hours into MSFS2024 and it's already annoying AF"

Where in that first sentence did I imply that you reconsider anything? What I said would REASONABLY be interpreted to read "PLEASE DON'T EVER MAKE IT A REQUIREMENT".

To which you could reply "That was never my plan, and never will be", to which I'd give your post the trophy.

[Someone]

I think you have had enough internet for the day.

[Antix70]

On 11/9/2025 at 4:12 AM, Furia said:

You may not be aware but this thing is intended to be a "simulator". I found it very disrespectful that you call the people requesting for common sense realism as "pretty stupid idea"

In the real life to add a component such the FCR it takes a maintenance action, special tooling, calibration processes ect.

Before flying there is a lot of preparation and for sure there is a preflight and a walk around. As mentioned here if that does not interest you, just do do not it. Contrary to real life here you have the assurance that the aircraft is perfect with no malfunctions. In real life we have no such luxus and we do have to walk around and assure that is the case. And believe it or not a lot of people is excited about having that possibility in DCS. There is a large community that uses DCS in the most realistic way possible, probably not your community but there is room for everyone.

As a pilot IRL I miss a lot of realism in DCS such non critical malfunctions, components wear and tear possible engine performance degradation, critical (non-combat) malfunctions. That is what actual flying means, that is the way we fly in real life. Strongly conditioned by those issues.

We plan, we train, we execute the missions having always this is mind. However I do understand this is not a professional platform and the "public" may not be interested in that kind of realism so I do accept it and surely do not disrespect the ideas of people that like just to have fun.

DCS is selling modules because they offer the possibility of selected realism. You can always create missions and add mods that suit your interest and expectations even if they are "more or less realistic" than other people missions. You can start your mission in the air or in the ground cold and dark. There is no requirement on this so far. Shall we remove the Cold and Dark option because you just play a game and you are not interested in deeper simulation and having to use checklist?

I am not going to say that your comment are a "pretty stupid idea" since I am respectful with the people here.

I don't even know where to begin with you... In real life yes, your life depends on a pre-flight, and if you skip one and something goes wrong, well, sucks to be you, I guess. Should'a Would'a Could'a.

But in a GAME such a thing is only for the minority who would geek out on it. Remember, this is not a simulator, it's a game, I don't care how seriously you take it. There is nothing in this game, now matter how well simulated, is doing anything to further your career or endorsements, or help you get ratings. If I walked into a helicopter school and said "Can we skip the formalities? I have over 1000 hours in the Apache since it came out in DCS, and over 500 hours in the UH-60", I'd be laughed out of the office, and rightfully so.

And I don't care that you think it's disrespectful of me to say so. You're more than welcome to perform ALL the tasks you wish to perform when you want to perform them. They're "niceties" that you may enjoy. But I think you think there are more people like you than you think - I again point to my example of how the HOT START SLOTS fill up way faster than the more realistic cold start slots. Because when people are being honest, they admit cold starts every flight suck.

Again, people are and should be welcome to enjoy the game the way they see fit. MilSim all you want, just don't get upset when others don't want to. I'm not trying to be the fighter pilot or low level hell guy I couldn't be in real life, I just want to have fun for a couple hours after work a few times a week, and if 3/4 of that time is consumed by maintenance actions, special tooling, and calibration processes, I'm not interested.

For crissakes, all I asked was that it never be REQUIRED.

I didn't ask for it to be removed because I don't want to do it. I simply want the OPTION to choose my level of geekery!

51 minutes ago, Someone said:

I think you have had enough internet for the day.

And I think you need a class in reading comprehension. But thanks for the advise, dad.

Edited Tuesday at 02:49 AM by Antix70

[Yurgon]

57 minutes ago, Antix70 said:

For crissakes, all I asked was that it never be REQUIRED.

It's not required. No one ever said it was. No one ever said it will be. The exact opposite is the case:

On 11/9/2025 at 12:41 AM, Someone said:

There is zero requirement that you ever do any of these activities.

With that perfectly squared away, can we now please move on with the discussion?

[Someone]

3 hours ago, Antix70 said:

I don't even know where to begin with you... In real life yes, your life depends on a pre-flight, and if you skip one and something goes wrong, well, sucks to be you, I guess. Should'a Would'a Could'a.

But in a GAME such a thing is only for the minority who would geek out on it. Remember, this is not a simulator, it's a game, I don't care how seriously you take it. There is nothing in this game, now matter how well simulated, is doing anything to further your career or endorsements, or help you get ratings. If I walked into a helicopter school and said "Can we skip the formalities? I have over 1000 hours in the Apache since it came out in DCS, and over 500 hours in the UH-60", I'd be laughed out of the office, and rightfully so.

And I don't care that you think it's disrespectful of me to say so. You're more than welcome to perform ALL the tasks you wish to perform when you want to perform them. They're "niceties" that you may enjoy. But I think you think there are more people like you than you think - I again point to my example of how the HOT START SLOTS fill up way faster than the more realistic cold start slots. Because when people are being honest, they admit cold starts every flight suck.

Again, people are and should be welcome to enjoy the game the way they see fit. MilSim all you want, just don't get upset when others don't want to. I'm not trying to be the fighter pilot or low level hell guy I couldn't be in real life, I just want to have fun for a couple hours after work a few times a week, and if 3/4 of that time is consumed by maintenance actions, special tooling, and calibration processes, I'm not interested.

For crissakes, all I asked was that it never be REQUIRED.

I didn't ask for it to be removed because I don't want to do it. I simply want the OPTION to choose my level of geekery!

And I think you need a class in reading comprehension. But thanks for the advise, dad.

 

3 hours ago, Antix70 said:

I don't even know where to begin with you... In real life yes, your life depends on a pre-flight, and if you skip one and something goes wrong, well, sucks to be you, I guess. Should'a Would'a Could'a.

But in a GAME such a thing is only for the minority who would geek out on it. Remember, this is not a simulator, it's a game, I don't care how seriously you take it. There is nothing in this game, now matter how well simulated, is doing anything to further your career or endorsements, or help you get ratings. If I walked into a helicopter school and said "Can we skip the formalities? I have over 1000 hours in the Apache since it came out in DCS, and over 500 hours in the UH-60", I'd be laughed out of the office, and rightfully so.

And I don't care that you think it's disrespectful of me to say so. You're more than welcome to perform ALL the tasks you wish to perform when you want to perform them. They're "niceties" that you may enjoy. But I think you think there are more people like you than you think - I again point to my example of how the HOT START SLOTS fill up way faster than the more realistic cold start slots. Because when people are being honest, they admit cold starts every flight suck.

Again, people are and should be welcome to enjoy the game the way they see fit. MilSim all you want, just don't get upset when others don't want to. I'm not trying to be the fighter pilot or low level hell guy I couldn't be in real life, I just want to have fun for a couple hours after work a few times a week, and if 3/4 of that time is consumed by maintenance actions, special tooling, and calibration processes, I'm not interested.

For crissakes, all I asked was that it never be REQUIRED.

I didn't ask for it to be removed because I don't want to do it. I simply want the OPTION to choose my level of geekery!

And I think you need a class in reading comprehension. But thanks for the advise, dad.

It’s okay, son. 

But, “advice” is the term you were looking for. Run along to your mother now. She has a warm bottle waiting for you. 

[draconus]

7 hours ago, Antix70 said:

it's a f'in GAME! Next time you get shot down and don't eject, don't respawn another airframe, delete the game and never play it again. Pilots that die in crashes don't get another life and spawn a new plane.

Yes, IRL, but it's a simulator, a subgenre of the video game, specifically a study type of combat flight simulator. Yes, you can spawn in the air right before enemies with unlimited ammo, fuel, being invulnerable, shoot for hours flying full AB, restart any time you want, because you decide where and when the simulation begins or ends but you'll soon realise how much you're missing by playing like that and that there are other titles better suited for this kind of play.

I'm not going to become fighter pilot but I want to play a role, immerse myself and feel like one from start to the end of the mission. Learning systems, navigation, comms, emergencies all adds to that and is fun for me like for many others that appreciate every detail and aspect of flight simulated.

Imho it could be set up better. Just make some slots for Apaches with FCR and others without one. Don't let it ruin game play for others by changing it magically on the spot.

[OmasRachE]

vor 6 Stunden schrieb Someone:

 

It’s okay, son. 

But, “advice” is the term you were looking for. Run along to your mother now. She has a warm bottle waiting for you. 

I´ll just purchase the C130! Hilarious!  

[GUCCI]

On 11/8/2025 at 11:51 AM, Antix70 said:

Just don't make it a REQUIREMENT before every. damn. flight.

Completely out of curiosity, what made you believe it would be a requirement before every flight? 

I'm curious where you got those indications. There is nothing from pre-release materials that would indicate this as a requirement. 

What you get in the C-130 is a completely optional loadmaster slot/cockpit position that allows for such a walk around to be done. If you so choose, any and all cargo operations can be done from the Cargo kneeboard menu (check out the videos by Growling sidewinder or tricker to get a peek.)

And I did read your message, It just seems funny you got that kind of idea or impression in your head when you should know better from being a DCS player and knowing the status quo. 

 

[Antix70]

10 hours ago, GUCCI said:

Completely out of curiosity, what made you believe it would be a requirement before every flight? 

I'm curious where you got those indications. There is nothing from pre-release materials that would indicate this as a requirement. 

What you get in the C-130 is a completely optional loadmaster slot/cockpit position that allows for such a walk around to be done. If you so choose, any and all cargo operations can be done from the Cargo kneeboard menu (check out the videos by Growling sidewinder or tricker to get a peek.)

And I did read your message, It just seems funny you got that kind of idea or impression in your head when you should know better from being a DCS player and knowing the status quo. 

 

No where. I never believed that. It's what you all believe I said.

Not once did I ever assume it would be required. I never said that in ANY of my posts. You people would know that if you read what I wrote.

Even in the part of my message THAT YOU JUST QUOTED says... "JUST DON'T MAKE IT A REQUIREMENT". That is a plea for it to never be required. Because look around some of these responses, some of these simmer people would be perfectly happy if Someone made it required. I know that is not his intention, but I had to say something to make sure the Not-so-simmer voice is expressed.

It was ALWAYS very obvious it wouldn't be required. I just want it to stay that way.

But you people lost your damn minds as if I said something like "I HATE THAT! You should remove that feature!", which I would NEVER say. I support people having the option to push their suspension of disbelief and increase the immersion as much, OR AS LITTLE, as they want.

That's all I'm saying in this thread, forever. It's literally the FIRST thing I've ever said in relation to the Herc (you can search this forum, or discord, yourself), and I assure you it will be the last. I've already paid for the module, and I'm happy to wait for it indefinitely, until Someone feels it's ready for the world.

Good day.

[Kang]

Well, that all escalated quickly. Rather pointless, too.

[Hammer1-1]

On 10/17/2025 at 7:37 AM, Gierasimov said:

Well well well....

Looks like ED is n fact experimenting with the feature for Fulcrum at least - check out the last 10 seconds of DCS MiG-29A Fulcrum Early Access Launch video...

 

yeah I call shenanigans with that too. Not saying that they arent doing it, not saying its not realistic...just sayin that if it were me crawling into that cockpit, there would be a lot of bones creaking and my back hurts just watching it. One doesnt just "get" into a plane; one "GETS" into a plane.

[OmasRachE]

vor 7 Stunden schrieb Antix70:

No where. I never believed that. It's what you all believe I said.

Not once did I ever assume it would be required. I never said that in ANY of my posts. You people would know that if you read what I wrote.

Even in the part of my message THAT YOU JUST QUOTED says... "JUST DON'T MAKE IT A REQUIREMENT". That is a plea for it to never be required. Because look around some of these responses, some of these simmer people would be perfectly happy if Someone made it required. I know that is not his intention, but I had to say something to make sure the Not-so-simmer voice is expressed.

It was ALWAYS very obvious it wouldn't be required. I just want it to stay that way.

But you people lost your damn minds as if I said something like "I HATE THAT! You should remove that feature!", which I would NEVER say. I support people having the option to push their suspension of disbelief and increase the immersion as much, OR AS LITTLE, as they want.

That's all I'm saying in this thread, forever. It's literally the FIRST thing I've ever said in relation to the Herc (you can search this forum, or discord, yourself), and I assure you it will be the last. I've already paid for the module, and I'm happy to wait for it indefinitely, until Someone feels it's ready for the world.

Good day.

I think the escalation comes from two triggering factors. First there is literally no point in defending the casual gamers approach since no one ever said it would be mandatory and we even have such fancy things like hotstarts, so there is no way one could seriously believe that the normal way of starting in an aircraft would be cut out the game. So the question rises, why you are argueing that hard with everyone about how unusual their sim approach to dcs is and even clarifying that dcs is not a simulator but a game, regardless how weird our perspective is: 

 

Am 11.11.2025 um 03:43 schrieb Antix70:

But in a GAME such a thing is only for the minority who would geek out on it. Remember, this is not a simulator, it's a game, I don't care how seriously you take it. There is nothing in this game, now matter how well simulated, is doing anything to further your career or endorsements, or help you get ratings. If I walked into a helicopter school and said "Can we skip the formalities? I have over 1000 hours in the Apache since it came out in DCS, and over 500 hours in the UH-60", I'd be laughed out of the office, and rightfully so.

 This part for example is quite offending since you seem to believe we all are geeky idiots which have lost their sence of reality. Or why would you feel compelled to tell us this? 

 

You even got to the point were you insulted the developer for no reason at all. And all that although you were fully aware of the fact that this feature is not beeing planed to become mandatory. When I take a look at this thread, it felt like you just wanted to tell us nerds what you think about us. So this may give you a hint why there is so much headwind for you. 

[Yurgon]

14 hours ago, Antix70 said:

Not once did I ever assume it would be required. I never said that in ANY of my posts. You people would know that if you read what I wrote.

Cool.

Do not claim sugar isn't sweet. I hate it when people do that. Sugar is sweet, no two ways about it.

I never said you claimed otherwise, but DO NOT CLAIM SUGAR ISN'T SWEET!

Just so there's no misunderstanding, simply don't. Ever. Please don't make that claim! Just on the off chance you were thinking about it just now, DON'T! Even if you weren't thinking about it, I just want to be unmistakably clear that it would be absolutely ludicrous to claim sugar isn't sweet, because it is sweet! Right? You hear me? SUGAR IS SWEET, don't say the opposite.

If you think I'm implying you said that, I don't. Not with a single word did I ever claim you said that. You're reading things into my message I never wrote, but you don't bother to read it.

So please with sugar on top, just never claim sugar isn't sweet, and we're golden.

See, that wasn't so hard, was it?

[Hammer1-1]

2 hours ago, Yurgon said:

Cool.

Do not claim sugar isn't sweet. I hate it when people do that. Sugar is sweet, no two ways about it.

I never said you claimed otherwise, but DO NOT CLAIM SUGAR ISN'T SWEET!

Just so there's no misunderstanding, simply don't. Ever. Please don't make that claim! Just on the off chance you were thinking about it just now, DON'T! Even if you weren't thinking about it, I just want to be unmistakably clear that it would be absolutely ludicrous to claim sugar isn't sweet, because it is sweet! Right? You hear me? SUGAR IS SWEET, don't say the opposite.

If you think I'm implying you said that, I don't. Not with a single word did I ever claim you said that. You're reading things into my message I never wrote, but you don't bother to read it.

So please with sugar on top, just never claim sugar isn't sweet, and we're golden.

See, that wasn't so hard, was it?

just FYI, sugar is a poison. sweet, deadly poison.

[Gierasimov]

Geez! I did not realize that it was such a controversial topic and wanted to mention an 'experimental' feature I saw in a MiG video, I even did not realize it was a wrong aircraft thread. Now I feel like I kicked the hornets nest. Sugar? Poison? MSFS? OMG! 

 

[GUCCI]

2 hours ago, Hammer1-1 said:

sweet, deadly poison.

The most addictive AND Legal substance in human history.. om nom nom..

[Someone]

14 hours ago, Gierasimov said:

Geez! I did not realize that it was such a controversial topic and wanted to mention an 'experimental' feature I saw in a MiG video, I even did not realize it was a wrong aircraft thread. Now I feel like I kicked the hornets nest. Sugar? Poison? MSFS? OMG! 

 

Just to be clear: the c130 walk around / loadmaster feature is not experimental.  It’s part of the product, and will ship on day one. 

[draconus]

9 minutes ago, Someone said:

Just to be clear: the c130 walk around / loadmaster feature is not experimental.  It’s part of the product, and will ship on day one. 

Is there possibility for a pilot pre-start walk around?

PS. Can you make it mandatory for cold start?

[OmasRachE]

vor 7 Minuten schrieb draconus:

PS. Can you make it mandatory for cold start?

Why only for cold starts. I think it should be mandatory for hot starts as well. You could spawn in active pause and then "walk" around the jet using for example a jetpack like they use in paw patrol to remove the safety pins. It would be much more immersive and I think everyone should be forced to take the time. 

 

Attention: May contain traces of sarcasm.

[draconus]

14 minutes ago, OmasRachE said:

You could spawn in active pause and then "walk" around the jet using for example a jetpack like they use in paw patrol to remove the safety pins.

Unrealistic!