How to use ground weapons?

[ThorBrasil]

 

[Esac_mirmidon]

I´ve seen the video.

I´ve reproduced the steps, even Target 1 on a WP for the DTC

My bombs still fall way short where i am aiming

[The Gryphon]

32 minutes ago, ThorBrasil said:

 

Huge thanks to @Wags for a very well produced instruction video! 

For me it sorted out all question- marks in how to deploy ground attack weapons. Very cool that you included the DTC functions as well, atleast for me it asweared some remaining questions I had about the cartride functionality. 

If my mark 2.0 eyeballs is correctly calibrated, Wags seem very accurate in his bomb drops, so it can obviously be done. I better getting into my Fulcrum and start practise!

 

[Wags]

Except for the RBKs, I've found the weapons quite accurate when given a good bombing solution. There may be though other weapons that needs to be adjusted, I have not dropped them all.

Note that some modes will be less accurate than others, like CCIP Delayed mode and TOSS in particular.

Wags

[Esac_mirmidon]

Using FAB-500, default fuze, default timings.

OPT mode , CCIP, no predesignation. At least 30º dive angle, waiting for laser ON, waiting for CCIP moving up. 

Bombs falling short a little less than 100 meters

[NineLine]

8 minutes ago, Esac_mirmidon said:

Using FAB-500, default fuze, default timings.

OPT mode , CCIP, no predesignation. At least 30º dive angle, waiting for laser ON, waiting for CCIP moving up. 

Bombs falling short a little less than 100 meters

Please provide a track and we will review. 

[Esac_mirmidon]

As requested @NineLine

2 bombing runs, both short, all parameters OK, CCIP, more than 30º dive, waiting for CCIP going up, laser ranging

Even the 2nd pass the dive is deeper but falling way short

BOMB TEST 29.trk

Edited 22 hours ago by Esac_mirmidon

[edineygomes]

2 hours ago, Esac_mirmidon said:

Using FAB-500, default fuze, default timings.

OPT mode , CCIP, no predesignation. At least 30º dive angle, waiting for laser ON, waiting for CCIP moving up. 

Bombs falling short a little less than 100 meters

Same here

[NineLine]

2 hours ago, Esac_mirmidon said:

As requested @NineLine

2 bombing runs, both short, all parameters OK, CCIP, more than 30º dive, waiting for CCIP going up, laser ranging

Even the 2nd pass the dive is deeper but falling way short

BOMB TEST 29.trk 992.89 kB · 2 downloads

Ok, we figured it out, well Wags figured it out first. There is some issues in release that are already fixed on internal builds that he used for his video. I am hopeful that these fixes will make it into the next hotfix/patch. I will test the latest Release Candidate tonight and see. Thanks for your patience on this.

[NineLine]

Can confirm it seems much better in the release candidate. But let me know when you guys get it. Thanks!

[SlipHavoc]

There were some specific things that weren't addressed in the recent Wags video on Ground Attack in the MiG-29, so I experimented and put together some stuff that I've figured out that might be helpful to people:

1. The Air/Ground switch (left console forward) only affects the cannon symbology; it isn't needed for other A/G weapons.
2. The middle and outboard pylons are logically combined, and A/A weapons take priority in the weapon selection for those pylons.
3. You cannot fire/drop the middle pylons until either the outboards or the inboards are empty.  If the inboards are empty, set the Pylon switch to Inboard to select the middle pylons, and if the outboard pylons are empty, set the Pylon switch to Outboard.
   • This means if you are carrying R-27s or A/G weapons on the inboard pylons, you don't technically have to fire them before you can fire the middle pylon A/G weapons, as long as your outboard pylons are empty.
4. All weapons of the same type always fire/drop simultaneously, and from both sides.
5. If you turn off the laser designator (with Target Acquisition Symbol Control Button), you can't turn it back on for 30 seconds.

In other experimentation I've done, I found that the SAPHEI cannon ammo cannot damage a BMP-3, but the AP ammo can.  The AP still kills airplanes pretty well, but not as well as the SAPHEI.

I haven't figured out how to use the KMGU dispensers yet though.  They seem to only drop one bunch of bomblets rather than a continuous stream (even if the All/Single switch is set to All), and the accuracy is way off.  It sounds like the upcoming hotfix patch may at least fix the accuracy though, so I'm waiting until then to do any more experimenting with those.

[Esac_mirmidon]

Thanks a lot @NineLine

You know sometimes i could be a little harsh because my passion with this simulator, but in the end you are always willing to help.

Edited 12 hours ago by Esac_mirmidon

[Esac_mirmidon]

The changes on the ground bombing are included in today´s patch?

I still see a huge inconsistence when bombing. CCIP still falls short like before. CCIP with predesignation feels better , spot on, BUT, it seems only with the first pair of bombs.

Repeating the same pattern for the other 2 bombs , doing exactly the same, makes them fall way short again ( both on CCIP or CCIP predeseg )

[BIGNEWY]

13 minutes ago, Esac_mirmidon said:

The changes on the ground bombing are included in today´s patch?

I still see a huge inconsistence when bombing. CCIP still falls short like before. CCIP with predesignation feels better , spot on, BUT, it seems only with the first pair of bombs.

Repeating the same pattern for the other 2 bombs , doing exactly the same, makes them fall way short again ( both on CCIP or CCIP predeseg )

please feel free to add a track replay example we can check, if you do it on Caucasus it would be optimal. 

thanks

[Esac_mirmidon]

Will do again showing my tests. Thanks Bignewy

[Esac_mirmidon]

Track for CCIP, no predesg, 2 bombing runs, all short. @BIGNEWY

 

BOMB TEST 29 CCIP.trk

Edited 3 hours ago by Esac_mirmidon