reported Metric/Imperial options

[draconus]

4 minutes ago, TotenDead said:

Can't see any positives in such standardization. It only harms the non-English speaking pilots

Actually, it matters. Labels in military aircraft are changed to russian, see the L-39s

It was not 21st inclusion century, especially in the east where people were forced to learn russian anyway and pilots just used what was given to them. So it did not has to be translated, they still had to get to know the aircraft as it was.

Even in present times anyone that's smart enough to be given access to the military radio is expected to know english, especially those that have a slightest chance to go abroad for NATO training/meeting or host one.

[Volator]

12 minutes ago, TotenDead said:

It only harms the non-English speaking pilots

That's nonsense. If a military or commercial pilot was not able to speak and understand basic aviation English, he wouldn't belong in a cockpit in the first place. Speaking English in aviation is a matter of professionalism.

 

13 minutes ago, TotenDead said:

Labels in military aircraft are changed to russian, see the L-39s

Exactly. The L-39 cockpit was labelled in Russian for all the other Warsaw Pact nations too, not only for Russia, because Russian was the lingua franca for the Warsaw Pact and the only aviation language there.

[TotenDead]

1 минуту назад, draconus сказал:

 

Even in present times anyone that's smart enough to be given access to the military radio is expected to know english, especially those that have a slightest chance to go abroad for NATO training/meeting or host one.

If US sold an aircraft to Germany, Italy or any other sattelite country - I get it, you fly with what you got. The question was why not build your own military aircraft with cockpits in your language. 

There is no doubt that English is as important to nato countries militaries as russian in WP, but what speaking has to do with your own instruments And labels? 

 

Btw, in FC3 german Bitching Ursula speaks German. Does it speak English IRL? 

[TotenDead]

8 минут назад, Volator сказал:

That's nonsense. If a military or commercial pilot was not able to speak and understand basic aviation English, he wouldn't belong in a cockpit in the first place. Speaking English in aviation is a matter of professionalism.

In nato that is? So, can you consider french worse and less professional than average nato pilot because their cockpits are in french? 

 

8 минут назад, Volator сказал:

Exactly. The L-39 cockpit was labelled in Russian for all the other Warsaw Pact nations too, not only for Russia, because Russian was the lingua franca for the Warsaw Pact and the only aviation language there.

Only a few posts ago I posted 3 images. A Lim-5 with lables in polish, a baade 152 with german writings and a L-39 with chech ones... 

Edited Thursday at 09:55 AM by TotenDead

[draconus]

3 minutes ago, TotenDead said:

A Lim-5 with lables in polish

Obviously it was made in Poland for Poles, so why would they use other language? Are we still on MiG-29 case?

[Volator]

1 hour ago, TotenDead said:

So, can you consider french worse and less professional than average nato pilot because their cockpits are in french?

I'm not going down to that level of yours.

You don't know much about NATO or aviation.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

On 9/20/2025 at 2:11 AM, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

It has been requested before, and the need has been acknowledged by ED.

Funny thing is, that on my end the MiG-29’s cockpit is a mix of metric and imperial:

HSI says miles but is using kilometres, fuel gauge says NM but is using KM, airspeed indicator is in KPH, true airspeed indicator is in knots, radar altimeter is in feet

This truly shows how poorly thought out the system is, and highlights the need for special options.

Or they simply could have left the system as is was, then it would have worked perfectly, instead of trying to make an ‘80s Soviet aircraft display imperial units…

Agreed, I just want cohesion in the environment of the cockpit. The issue isn't so much that it's in metric or Imperial units, the issue is that it's a mix. I'd be surprised if an actual 9.12 had such a mix as a Soviet line bird.

Sure, the MiG-29Gs were in Imperial, but we don't have a G.

[MAXsenna]

7 hours ago, TotenDead said:

In nato that is? So, can you consider french worse and less professional than average nato pilot because their cockpits are in french? 

Come on dude. For real? You know exactly what he ment.  

[Phantom711]

vor 7 Stunden schrieb MiG21bisFishbedL:

Sure, the MiG-29Gs were in Imperial, but we don't have a G.

I agree with your wish for coherence, but still, the fact that we can chose between metric and imperial should be maintained. The MiG-29Gs were former MiG-29A (9-12A) that were converted to english/imperial and only very "moderate" changes on top of that. 

If I were nitpicky, I could as well say that it is unrealistic to fly the DCS MiG-29 with soviet liveries, because the announcement clearly states, that it simulates the Warsaw Pact export version (9-12A as opposed to the regular 9-12). Oh...and in that case also: AA-10C (R-27ER) and AA-10D (R-27ET)...nope...unrealistic....

See where we are getting with this?

Edited Thursday at 07:50 PM by Phantom711

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

22 minutes ago, Phantom711 said:

MiG-29A (9-12A)

 

23 minutes ago, Phantom711 said:

If I were nitpicky

... then you wouldn't call it "MiG-29A 9.12A" since that doesn't exist: an aircraft can't be 9.11 and 9.12A at the same time, especially since 9.11 never materialised and was just an idea abandoned in 1976  

[Phantom711]

@Raven (Elysian Angel)

Quote from EDs Announcment thread: "Our MiG-29A, NATO codename Fulcrum, will be the export modification of the “A” version that was supplied to Warsaw Pact countries."

So "Fulcrum-A" might be the more appropriate term. In any case, I don´t see how that would negate anything that I stated.

 

[TotenDead]

11 часов назад, draconus сказал:

Obviously it was made in Poland for Poles, so why would they use other language? Are we still on MiG-29 case?

Well, ended up not only for poles but yes, exactly, why would they use other language. Talking about 29, the aircraft was inherited from GDR for german use only. And instead of making it in german it was translated into english. That's what I'm calling weird

 

10 часов назад, Volator сказал:

I'm not going down to that level of yours.

You don't know much about NATO or aviation.

Fine, I'm sorry, but I wasn't mixing knowledge of english and professionalism so I found some irony to be appropriate. My point is written in a quote above by draconus quite nicely

[TotenDead]

2 часа назад, Phantom711 сказал:

 

If I were nitpicky, I could as well say that it is unrealistic to fly the DCS MiG-29 with soviet liveries, because the announcement clearly states, that it simulates the Warsaw Pact export version (9-12A as opposed to the regular 9-12). Oh...and in that case also: AA-10C (R-27ER) and AA-10D (R-27ET)...nope...unrealistic....

See where we are getting with this?

Some amount of 9.12As were adopted for soviet/russian use and received ER upgrades:) Anyway, there's nothing bad in making the game a bit more casual, such changes surely differ way less from reality than Kh-23 on our MiG-21bis

[okopanja]

Small localization proposals for the manual:

- Along the screenshots of westernized instruments, please provide screenshots of original Soviet instruments.

- Also if the altitude/distance/speed are mentioned in feet/nm/knots, please also include converted metric values (users will understand better why they have weird values.

- Provide names of switches and controls along labels in Russian.

[Cgjunk2]

I got used to flying the FC3 version of the Fulcrum and have all my numbers memorized in KPH.   None of the cockpit options allow for KPH units on the ASI steam guage.   But it seems I’m reading that if you change the core DCS program to metric, then the cockpit instruments will go to metric?   That would change everything other module to metric, correct?

Is an English cockpit with KPH steam gauges being planned?

 

Edited 15 hours ago by Cgjunk2

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

10 minutes ago, Cgjunk2 said:

That would change everything other module to metric, correct?

No: up until now, that metric/imperial setting only affect the mission editor and F10 map. Our MiG-29 is the first module to also use it.

10 minutes ago, Cgjunk2 said:

Is an English cockpit with KPH steam gauges being planned?

 

Edited 15 hours ago by Raven (Elysian Angel)

[TerrorMango]

So is there currently no way of having the English cockpit with metric units? Like on the Mig-21?

I'd like to be able to read the labels while not having to faff about with mach, feet, knots and all that...

Changing the language settings under Gameplay as suggested by some doesn't do anything. It's either metric Russian or imperial English.

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

6 minutes ago, TerrorMango said:

So is there currently no way of having the English cockpit with metric units?

There is, sort of. But ED needs to fix that and it has been reported.

[TerrorMango]

5 minutes ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

There is, sort of. But ED needs to fix that and it has been reported.

Ah that's good to hear at least. I was worried I'd either have to learn Russian or imperial units.

[Harlikwin]

On 9/25/2025 at 4:05 PM, TotenDead said:

Some amount of 9.12As were adopted for soviet/russian use and received ER upgrades:) Anyway, there's nothing bad in making the game a bit more casual, such changes surely differ way less from reality than Kh-23 on our MiG-21bis

Mig-21 doesn't have KH-23, (that was SACLOS like the RB-05 on the viggen or bullpup). Grom (which it never carried was Kh-66?)

 

[MAXsenna]

Ah that's good to hear at least. I was worried I'd either have to learn Russian or imperial units.

I would go for Russian.

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[NineLine]

5 hours ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

There is, sort of. But ED needs to fix that and it has been reported.

It is requested. 

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

On 9/25/2025 at 2:42 PM, Phantom711 said:

I agree with your wish for coherence, but still, the fact that we can chose between metric and imperial should be maintained. The MiG-29Gs were former MiG-29A (9-12A) that were converted to english/imperial and only very "moderate" changes on top of that. 

If I were nitpicky, I could as well say that it is unrealistic to fly the DCS MiG-29 with soviet liveries, because the announcement clearly states, that it simulates the Warsaw Pact export version (9-12A as opposed to the regular 9-12). Oh...and in that case also: AA-10C (R-27ER) and AA-10D (R-27ET)...nope...unrealistic....

See where we are getting with this?

Not really, it doesn't bother me one bit. 

I just want consistency, be it in metric or imperial. I'll fly it by the numbers either way.

10 hours ago, TerrorMango said:

Ah that's good to hear at least. I was worried I'd either have to learn Russian or imperial units.

You really don't need to learn the imperial units, you just fly it by the assigned speeds in that unit. 

[TotenDead]

10 часов назад, Harlikwin сказал:

Mig-21 doesn't have KH-23, (that was SACLOS like the RB-05 on the viggen or bullpup). Grom (which it never carried was Kh-66?)

 

Yes, probably, they are basically the same missile so I mix them up from time to time

[Schmidtfire]

Another thing we discovered during a multiplayer flight yesterday.

1. If you have Native Avionics language selected (RUS) and units to Metric.

2. Switch between meters to feet on the F10 map (button on top bar) and then Spawn into a new aircraft, the avionics in the aircraft automatically will be in Imperial.

While it might be intended to work this way, it certainly caused a great deal of confusion when a member in the flight didn't realize that also the units in his aircraft had changed