Is anyone else not feeling this map at low level?

[swartbyron]

From a low level helicopter perspective the textures look pixilated and low in resolution in comparison to its counterpart, Afghanistan which is being developed along side Iraq. The field textures in particular look just like blurry satellite imagery with a lot of excessive noise thrown in to try and disguise the low detail textures.

Flying fast through the mountains of North-Eastern Iraq, or tanking at high altitude this map is absolute superb. 

On rout to target with a helicopter on the other hand just makes me want to end the mission and fly anther map.

Despite being developed at the same time and also by Eagle Dynamics, the Afghanistan map is far more detailed and seems in much higher resolution at low level compared to Iraq to me. The fields are especially convincing, lush with deep colours and definition but still blend in beautifully with the photo real look at altitude.

There were a lot of complaints bout the state of Afghanistan at low level on first release and the developers absolute pulled it out all the stops to improve things and it is now for me at least the most convincing map ED has released not using all synthetic textures.

Can we expect the Iraq map to receive the same level of detail at low level in the future for Iraq or is this the best detail achievable for this area for other reasons?

I realise peoples perspectives differ, artistic styles differ between developers and that products will differ according to the technology available to the developers at the time.

With both these maps being developed side by side and both by Eagle Dynamics, I hope we will see both maps up to the same standards. 

[EricJ]

I can agree with you that the Iraq map doesn't have that sort of polished feel that Afghanistan is at currently. I mean then again I haven't been on the Iraq map in a long time (a few weeks), but I also look at it that it's still work in progress textures, which the finished product (or out of Early Access feel) or whatnot will yield better results. I don't set my expectations high when it's Early Access, because it's at the beta stage, and through experience and prior work, it's just how the company rolls as far as quality. I mean if it were a finished product I would complain more, but not so much when it's still being developed.

[Czar]

It is not textures the issue. It is the lack of autogen (3d stuff) around. A map shouldn't need to weight 500gb of satellite imagery while neglecting 3d objects.

Syria has lower definition textures but the 3d assets are the ones who bring life into the scene. That's the type of work that makes a difference.

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Syria from above:

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Iraq from above:

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Iraq has good parts near bases, but lacks objects in rural areas:

(This last one is pre patch. I don't know how it is this area today. It is to illustrate the point. All others from Iraq are after the patch)

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Syria map autogen clutter, which is superior overall:

 

Forget pushing higher and higher textures. DCS is constantly heavy in VRam. Ask for a proper autogen and manually placed objects that brings richness to the experience.
Maps are already massively big with the satellite textures.

 

Edited September 22 by Czar

[Hotdognz]

Its the reason I dont fly Iraq, even with the latest update the textures are messy and blurry when down low, Urgia Medi proved with CW Germany that really they should be the only ones allowed to do maps for DCS as it was was released in a much nicer state than both ED latest maps, also the update for Normandy 2 is looking fantastic, if only ED used the same techniques for their maps. I will say that Afghan looks great now after the last update.

Edited Monday at 06:13 AM by Hotdognz

[Tom P]

100% agreed. Both maps are rough compared to Syria for low level. Another reason why I think ED should let 3rd parties handle most of the DLC's while ED focuses on the core and long term bug issues.

[draconus]

6 hours ago, Tom P said:

Another reason why I think ED should let 3rd parties handle most of the DLC's while ED focuses on the core and long term bug issues.

So fire half the team or make them do other things in which they are not experts and refuse to work on new projects that brings money in the future. If only DCS users were the ED managers we would have bug free game, feature creep, all aircraft and units modeled... and "out of business sign" on the main site in months.

[BIGNEWY]

6 hours ago, Tom P said:

100% agreed. Both maps are rough compared to Syria for low level. Another reason why I think ED should let 3rd parties handle most of the DLC's while ED focuses on the core and long term bug issues.

terrain teams do not work on the core, they work on terrains. Same for aircraft teams, they work on aircraft modules. We have more than 50% of our team members working on the core of DCS, you can see the work being done on each change log we publish.

We also have to sell products, it enables us to keep development going, if we took your advice we would go out of business eventually. 

 

[Tom P]

2 hours ago, draconus said:

So fire half the team or make them do other things in which they are not experts and refuse to work on new projects that brings money in the future. If only DCS users were the ED managers we would have bug free game, feature creep, all aircraft and units modeled... and "out of business sign" on the main site in months.

Not what I said at all

[curioso007]

hace 5 horas, draconus dijo:

So fire half the team or make them do other things in which they are not experts and refuse to work on new projects that brings money in the future. If only DCS users were the ED managers we would have bug free game, feature creep, all aircraft and units modeled... and "out of business sign" on the main site in months.

That's an option, or maybe they should fire those who don't do their jobs well and hire those who do, as is done in any company in the world. If you don't do your job well, then goodbye, except for those with monopolies, if you know what I mean.
Regards

(Google translator)

 

[HC_Official]

just a Tip OP ,  imgur it is blocked in UK now, so UK people see this

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[MAXsenna]

41 minutes ago, HC_Official said:

just a Tip OP ,  imgur it is blocked in UK now, so UK people see this

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Wait WHAT? Why? What's going on over there? 

What images services are not blocked? 

[freehand]

No  imgur images for us in the UK unless we go other ways to view but I can not be bothered to be honest.

[waterman]

1 hour ago, MAXsenna said:

Wait WHAT? Why? What's going on over there? 

What images services are not blocked? 

 

Just a quick heads up !

Remember the " Photo Bucket" free then pay to have pictures still visable on internet disaster years ago ?

Also Facebook ban some user accounts for unknown reasons all users company photos and Docs locked.

If WW3 is on the Brink then next step is  -

Retreive all your files from online storage while you still can.

Keep your files on SSD Drive in a cardboard box under your Bed !

Be very careful if you depend on online storage or you will have a big problem -

Cloud services could be Locked and you loose everything if world GOV departments enforce it.

Also server farms dont work too well after a MOAB drops through the roof.

Another none WW3 problem on the horizon could be if USA introduce data import fees to none USA bases companies.

Could make the huge DCS updates interesting $$$

 

[MAXsenna]

2 hours ago, waterman said:

Just a quick heads up !

Remember the " Photo Bucket" free then pay to have pictures still visable on internet disaster years ago ?

Also Facebook ban some user accounts for unknown reasons all users company photos and Docs locked.

Not the same thing as a whole country blocking services. This is politics because some people are worried about kids watching videos of the most destructive creature of the planet Earth mate.

2 hours ago, waterman said:

Retreive all your files from online storage while you still can.

Keep your files on SSD Drive in a cardboard box under your Bed !

Be very careful if you depend on online storage or you will have a big problem -

Cloud services could be Locked and you loose everything if world GOV departments enforce it.

Thank you for reminding a sysadmin of 30 years how to do backups. /s

2 hours ago, waterman said:

Another none WW3 problem on the horizon could be if USA introduce data import fees to none USA bases companies.

Whatever you smoked today is not for me. /j

3 hours ago, freehand said:

No  imgur images for us in the UK unless we go other ways to view but I can not be bothered to be honest.

Well, the first they came for the images services. They are only making people's lives miserable for no reason. Tor is free, even for kids. Kids will always find a way to watch pr0n. Can't believe politicians are really this stupid. Actually, is very believable.  

"OFF with the heads!" /j

EDIT: I only use Imgur for posting screengrabs here, as my forum storage is full. 

Edited 2 hours ago by MAXsenna

[waterman]

Glad to help

Dont worry you will always be very busy with the rinse and repeat never ending DCS Bug support questions to answer 

I would have thought you would have been replaced with Ai bot answering all the same old user problem questions 

However I am amazed how many new DCS problems there are every day on the forum even the bot may be overwhelmed 

I wonder how new users get on who dont know about this forum - all the special tricks to even get basic DCS running.

WOW Thanks you sorted out my post for DCS users to understand I will let this thread get back on topic 

bye bye 

 

[MAXsenna]

@waterman

I think your apostrophes and punctuation marks are on strike.

[Czar]

What an horrid thing about the imgur in the UK.
My quota is done on the forum, so I can't put images here.
That website, regardless of its first page content, was really easy to make images shareable.

@HC_Official Thanks for the heads up.

2 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

Well, the first they came for the images services. They are only making people's lives miserable for no reason. Tor is free, even for kids. Kids will always find a way to watch pr0n. Can't believe politicians are really this stupid. Actually, is very believable.  

An excuse can be just that, an excuse. The means to do evil in disguise.