Announcing Flaming Cliffs 2.0

[Griffin]

Keeps getting better and better!

However, there is some information my brain isn't able to process.

 

Q: Will Flaming Cliffs 2.0 and DCS: Black Shark be online compatible?

A: Yes! You will now be able to fly head-to-head and cooperatively with players flying the Ka-50.

 

Q: If there are future Black Shark patches, will Flaming Cliffs 2.0 still be online compatible?

A: We will make every effort to retain this compatibility.

 

Q: Will the upcoming DCS: A-10C Warthog be online compatible with Flaming Cliffs 2.0?

A: We do not know yet as DCS: A-10C Warthog is still in development.

These Q&As make me think that it's possible that there could be a situation where BS is compatible with both A-10 and FC2.0 but A-10 and FC2.0 aren't compatible with each other. If such situation is possible, how can that be? Common sense says that this isn't possible but in case A-10 won't be compatible with FC2.0, it means that FC2.0 and BS players will be able to fly with each other only for a short period of time until A-10 is released and will "destroy" this compatibility.

 

I figure there would be two possible scenarios. Either ED will have to patch both BS and FC2.0 every time a new patch or future module will be released to retain this compatibility or the compatibility of FC2.0 and DCS series will be dropped as soon as new DCS modules will be released.

 

Could someone with less tired brains explain this to me as mine can't process this "conflict". :huh:

[Teknetinium]

51st appreciate every upgrade that will be done. Hope that all go as planed so we all can enjoy the new upgrades just after all Christmas food.

 

And S! to all F-15 pilots ;)

[GGTharos]

I'll process it for you:

 

The answer to your question is nobody knows right now, so you can pretty much stop asking :D

 

Could someone with less tired brains explain this to me as mine can't process this "conflict". :huh:

[Boberro]

I think what he's saying is that LO will now have the advantage of the optimization you see in BS. I don't know about you, I get MUCH better framerates in Black Shark when flying over large cities. I mean, there's no comparison. I can get extreme frame rates in LO but as soon as I get in the vicinity of a large city....sub 20 FPS. Krasnodar will get as low as 9 FPS! I can fly in this area in BS down at roof-top levels and get a steady 20 to 30. LO should still benefit from higher framerate because you fly higher, but also benefit when you fly lower too.

 

 

Maybe this is it...

 

Hope I get finally someday new PC to check this optimization :D

[Griffin]

The answer to your question is nobody knows right now, so you can pretty much stop asking :D

 

Ok, too early to know I see. Sorry, I didn't notice anyone else asking the same question. Just seems strange to advertise that it will be compatible with DCS while the next module could possibly destroy this.

Edited November 25, 2009 by Griffin

[EtherealN]

ED advertised that it will be compatible with DCS:BS. This is a statement of current affairs.

 

The rest are statements about possible futures and it can go either way for all I know (and I don't know all that much. ;) ).

 

That's the difference.

Edited November 25, 2009 by EtherealN

[26-J39]

DCS A-10C MP Compatibility

 

Hello,

 

I'm a little worried as to how compatible the A-10C module will be with BS and FC2.0 in MP. As far as i know the A-10c module will be compatible with BS. (the whole point of DCS is to have multiple high fidelity aircraft in one battlefield, right?) If FC2.0 will be compatible with BS then why this comment in the Flaming Cliffs 2.0 Upgrade FAQ:

 

Q: Will the upcoming DCS: A-10C Warthog be online compatible with Flaming Cliffs 2.0?

A: We do not know yet as DCS: A-10C Warthog is still in development.

 

Surely the answer should be: Yes of course! FC2.0 will be compatible with all DCS modules..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And if it is, will there be FC2.0 A-10 AND DCS A-10 compatible in MP? surely this will cause a public debarcle. Will ED remove the A-10 from FC2.0 when the DCS A-10 arrives? I doubt it because this is unfair to people who only play FC2.0.... I do understand that ED will not release info about something they are not concrete on but this seems tooo fishy to me. :noexpression:

[EvilBivol-1]

We cannot promise FC-2.0 compatibility for all future DCS modules. That would require ED to continue development of two different products, only one of which they have full control over (DCS). Remember, Flaming Cliffs is still a Lock On-based product (Ubisoft). ED hopes to ensure all DCS modules retain online compatibility between each other (although each DCS module is a stand-alone simulation product), but we can't say the same for Flaming Cliffs beyond DCS: Black Shark.

 

We'll know more about DCS: A-10C Warthog and how it will work as it nears completion.

Edited November 26, 2009 by EvilBivol-1

[26-J39]

Ok thanks EvilBivol-1.. I think i get it a bit better now :) Cheers

[33 309th_Hedgehog]

We cannot promise FC-2.0 compatibility for all future DCS modules.

 

It is obvious that no one will "promise".

 

I think what most of the participants of this discussion mean is the following point: It is a huge gap between FC and DCS Black Shark from a technology point of view. No one did expect that this step will be done. But ED handled it. (By the way, congrats to that!).

 

Between the coming Products of DCS there should not be that big difference by means of technology.

 

Therefore I'm wondering why it is said, that FC may not be compatible to DCS A-10C. And more of that: I do not understand why ED is always arguing that Black Shark and A-10C "may" be compatible.

 

Honestly: what kind of need is for two or more DCS Series (Black Shark, A-10C, ...) which are not compatible for online coop? ...

[Pilotasso]

Its already very unnusual for any software companies make 2 distinct titles MP compatible. Dont ask for the whole cow when ED gives ya a leg. But its a business option for ED to cash in in the mean time between DCS modules. Its probably take longer than 9 months. Think about that. :)

[159th_Viper]

......I do not understand why ED is always arguing that Black Shark and A-10C "may" be compatible.....

 

It has been mentioned Time and Time and Time Again that the DCS Engine is being Modified/Upgraded/Improved etc etc........For reasons that are Fairly Obvious, this is the Better Solution, in keeping with Technological Advancement.

 

Said Modifications/Improvements/Upgrades can accordingly either be structured in the Developement of an Entire New Engine (Highly Unlikely/Nigh Impossible) or the Improvement and Adaptation of the Exisiting Engine (Happening as we Speak).

 

That said - Stands to Reason that there will Possibly come a Time that the Improvements/Upgrades to the Engine for One Module as a necessity precludes compatibility of a Previous Model......then again, maybe not. There is however a very real possibility that the above might Indeed occur. Should it occur, then we can say that We have Indeed been Warned.

 

Until then, Happy with what I've Got, Ta!

[Feuerfalke]

Between the coming Products of DCS there should not be that big difference by means of technology.

 

 

I think the opposite is the fact.

 

Black Shark was just the first title of the DCS-Series, which is planned to be expanded and upgraded with every new modules. That was stated a lot of times before.

 

So, while DCS is already a giant leap forward in a new direction, it's just a first step and there is simply no guarantee, that e.g. once multiplayer-functionality is expanded, new code implemented that bases on features of DCS, there is a good chance, that these additions will no longer be compatible with LO.

 

Long story short: In means of technology, the gap between LO and DCS will most likely increase with each module released, not decrease.

Edited November 26, 2009 by Feuerfalke

[26-J39]

If the DCS A-10 module arrives and is not MP compatible with BS the whole DCS concept is out the window like a brick and i'll be very unhappy..

[Kuky]

well no one said BS and A-10 will not be compatible, I am sure they will otherwise not much point to DCS modules, what I do think will happen is that with DCS A-10, DCS BS will be upgragable to newer engine (what ever they change) because DCS is built with that in mind, while LockOn/FlamingCliffs has limitations and can't (which is why they decided to stop using LockOn engine and move on to advancing the code through DCS series... but then again who know what will happen... nothing is set in stone

[26-J39]

Kuky, you provide some food for thought :)

 

what I do think will happen is that with DCS A-10, DCS BS will be upgragable to newer engine (what ever they change) because DCS is built with that in mind

.

 

I hope this is the case and ED are being quiet about the upgrades to all DCS modules as new ones pop out..

[Stangpilot]

Wow, I dont check the forums in 4 or 5 months and I come back to the news in this thread. FANTASTIC!! Count me in as a continued customer.

[Vekkinho]

Hey, what happened to this thread, was it moved from Lock On and merged with same thread in DCS section?

[joey45]

Probaly ^^

[EvilBivol-1]

Hey, what happened to this thread, was it moved from Lock On and merged with same thread in DCS section?

I think I may have done that accidentally. Now moved back to the Lock On section.

[Vekkinho]

LOL! I thought I was losing my mind!

[Pilotasso]

^^^^ its too late for me. :)

[topol-m]

^^^ :laugh: There`s always hope...

[Udat]

It would be really cool if FC 2.0 owners that bought future DCS modules would get FC updated to the level of the last module they paid for. This is offcourse just wishful thinking from a guy that don't know the first thing about programming (or legal stuff,) but I think it'd be win-win (it would make us buy new modules for sure, and keep us happy with FC constantly up to date) if at all possible.

[Luse]

Is the option of having smoke on while on the ground active. This would be HUGE for aerobatic teams. along with a couple other things.