Did it go unnoticed still? FC 2.0 upgrade will make LockOn and BS MP compatible!

[Rikus]

"Improved flight performance for player-controlled aircraft"

 

Improved like the Su25T AFM model?

 

Greeting

[3Sqn_Sven]

Why Not?

 

Fear of being Tanked again and again in the Kamov? If so - understandable, but I'm willing to give the Mission-Designers, having regard to the new Dynamic that Rotary will introduce, the benefit of the Doubt that they will be able to cater for the added Dynamic and Author their Missions accordingly.

 

3Sqn have in the past for LockOn tailored Missions to aid Bombers in a Hostile environment with Inter Alia Fighter Flight Distances/SAM Umrellas/Intelligent Defence Networks etc etc - No reason why the same cannot be true for Rotaries........That said - I'm with you. If the Mission does not Step Up, I will not be Flying it.....Was never one to voluntarily aid in the Ego-Stroking of a Fast-jet Jockey by being a Target Drone......:P

 

Think about it - Properly Structured with Good Voice Comms, PvP is about as real as it gets and a helluva lot of Fun to Boot :)

 

 

Ps: Willing to Bet a Fiver........

 

Don't forget the jets probably won't see you on radar as you'll be flying too slow...or at least have the option to. We'll probably have to find you via tally.

[c0ff]

the upgrade only applies to lockon.

no files will need to be changed within black shark.

 

Black Shark will be patched as well.

[Grimes]

From a pure multiplayer standpoint there is going to be a severe shock to the Black Shark pilots when they enter a LO server. There is no question of that. It is going to take some very careful mission construction in order to provide an adequate online experience for all pilots. Flight distances, terrain, and enemy composition are all going to be important factors. It might take some testing to get right, but I'm certainly open to experimentation. Players will have to adjust to having enemy jets in the theater of war. One interesting and possibly fun mission I see potential for the Ka-50 to do in a fighter/bomber world is to simply be a FAC or a lead scout for friendly CAS aircraft.

 

If the fear of A2A fighters in the area worries you, I wouldn't worry. There are bound to be Dedicated A2G servers. If the DFA server makes a comeback I can all but guarantee they will run Co-op or co-op like PvP missions with just the ground pounders.

 

Maybe here is a better place to ask, if I made a mission in BS, would it be compatible with FC 2.0? In that I create it in Black Shark and then open it in FC2.0 in order to make the needed changes?

[ZaltysZ]

Maybe here is a better place to ask, if I made a mission in BS, would it be compatible with FC 2.0? In that I create it in Black Shark and then open it in FC2.0 in order to make the needed changes?

 

I think LockOn: Flaming Cliffs 2.0 = DCS: LockOn :) It is DCS engine with aircrafts from LockOn, but without fidelity of DCS (no AFM for righters, no clickable cockpits and etc.). Wise decision, because it will be easier for devs to maintain just DCS engine and drop LockOn code completely. Devs win, we in too, because every improvement DCS gets, will be given to FC 2.0 too. :)

 

Back to your question. When FC 2.0 comes out, BS will get update too. So if your mission works after that BS update, it will work on FC 2.0 too.

[159th_Falcon]

Black Shark will be patched as well.

I stand corrected, out of curiosity will there be any other thing changed in whit the BS update besides making the two sims compatible whit each other?

for example bug fixes, or maybe an performance improvement?

[Eddie]

Don't forget the jets probably won't see you on radar as you'll be flying too slow...or at least have the option to. We'll probably have to find you via tally.

 

I'm not familiar with the radar modelling in Lock-On, but the movement of the rotors themselves provides enough movement for pulse doppler radars to recognise the contact as non-clutter. This means that if anything, choppers have a harder job hiding from fighters in some respects than fixed wing aircraft, as methods such as the doppler notch and beaming are not (as) effective.

 

Of course, rotary wing a/c can use terrain masking far easier than fixed wing a/c, so a good pilot could negate the negative aspects of having a spinning rotor disc.

 

As I said I don't know if lock-on models radar to this level, so it may not be relevant.

 

With regards to FC 2.0, I share many of the concerns voiced by others with regards to the online environment. But as Viper and GG said above, a well made mission and pilots flying properly (as opposed to 'air-quake style') could actually make for a better experience, especially given that I suspect there will be more servers available once the lock-on and DCS communities become one.

 

Of course we'll see for ourselves in the fullness of time

[NRG-Vampire]

Don't forget the jets probably won't see you on radar as you'll be flying too slow...or at least have the option to. We'll probably have to find you via tally.

 

...and i hope AMRAAM missiles will not fly through trees while im hiding in a forest with my chopper :cry:

[Kuky]

trouble with Ka-50 is the pilot doesn't even know when he's being picked up on someone's radar.

[Pilotasso]

...and i hope AMRAAM missiles will not fly through trees while im hiding in a forest with my chopper :cry:

 

 

Of course not...the impact on that tree is whats going to get ya. :D

[Rikus]

What will happen when DCS:A10 appear?

 

We will see pilots flying Ka50, pilot with DCS:A10 with lot of work, and pilots of A10 of LOMAC doing the same but quickier and easier?

 

Same for the future DCS:MIG29 or SU27.

 

Will these modules desactivate same plane in DCS:LOMAC?

 

Greetings

 

P.D. "Improved flight performance for player-controlled aircraft"

 

Can someone explain a bit more this point please

[159th_Falcon]

We will see pilots flying Ka50, pilot with DCS:A10 with lot of work, and pilots of A10 of LOMAC doing the same but quickier and easier?

They will probably replace the lockon A10 whit the DCS A10 when it comes out. No point in having 2 of the same planes in the game now would it?

[sobek]

I think LockOn: Flaming Cliffs 2.0 = DCS: LockOn :) It is DCS engine with aircrafts from LockOn, but without fidelity of DCS (no AFM for righters, no clickable cockpits and etc.). Wise decision, because it will be easier for devs to maintain just DCS engine and drop LockOn code completely. Devs win, we in too, because every improvement DCS gets, will be given to FC 2.0 too. :)

 

Make no mistake, AFAIK FC 2.0 will be the very last update to the Lock On series, at least that is what i remember Wags saying.

 

I don't think that ED will go through the hassle to keep FC 2 up to date with all the DCS improvements after this.

[Boberro]

trouble with Ka-50 is the pilot doesn't even know when he's being picked up on someone's radar.

 

How if I understand correctly radar has filter which filters any objects below example 200 km\h speed (I heard 150 for RUS).

 

P.D. "Improved flight performance for player-controlled aircraft"

 

 

It won't be Su-25T FM. But corrected simple models to more realistic than it is now.

[sobek]

How if I understand correctly radar has filter which filters any objects below example 200 km\h speed (I heard 150 for RUS).

 

The rotor moves above 200 km/h ;)

[Boberro]

The rotor moves above 200 km/h ;)

 

So it is about rotor not whole shape of helicopter? Hmm I think I didn't know this. So situation is worse... Ka-50s will have to be defended or hide behind buildings ect...

[JimMack]

So it is about rotor not whole shape of helicopter? Hmm I think I didn't know this. So situation is worse... Ka-50s will have to be defended or hide behind buildings ect...

 

The "bible" ( Fighter combat:tactics and maneuvering by Robert L Shaw) gives some explanation

See http://books.google.com/books?id=hBxBdKr0beYC&pg=PA191&lpg=PA191&dq=helo+tactics+versus+fixed+wing&source=bl&ots=9qcr2KjLGk&sig=ovRR5EvmgA89kLCXHbWy58Dc3Ng&hl=en&ei=hg8ES-PRNIXH-QbMu9itCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=helo%20tactics%20versus%20fixed%20wing&f=false

[GGTharos]

Doppler radar detects moving things, and rotors move very quickly. ;)

There is an instance in one of the gulf wars where an F-15E detected and locked onto a landed Mi-8 from 50nm in air to air mode because of the spinning rotors. They then proceeded to hit it with a GBU (which hit after the helicopter took off, thus making it the first ever A2A kill with a GBU).

 

So it is about rotor not whole shape of helicopter? Hmm I think I didn't know this. So situation is worse... Ka-50s will have to be defended or hide behind buildings ect...

[Rikus]

They will probably replace the lockon A10 whit the DCS A10 when it comes out. No point in having 2 of the same planes in the game now would it?

 

I think thats the way too.

 

Greetings

[nemises]

well...if they can make FC2.0 interoperable with DCS:BS, I see no issue with making it intereoperable with DCS:Hog or any future modules...just multiplayer client connections...

 

Perhaps it will be possible for mission makers to stipulate what type of A10 (for eg) to have in a slot, FC2.0 or DCS...?

...or for servers to only allow DCS connections and not FC2.0 ...

 

As for the possible differential between the DCS A10 or the FC2.0 A10...well, for starters the DCS A10 is an A10c, whereas the FC Hog is an A10a .. so, the DCS hog should be a far greater threat despite any additional pilot workload.

 

...and besides, who is not going to update to a kick ass FM and weapons workflow and 6dof cockpit?...who cares if the FC Hog is easier to fly...

[sobek]

I think thats the way too.

 

Greetings

 

Don't expect the DCS A-10 to become flyable in FC 2.0 ;)

Edited November 18, 2009 by sobek

[GGTharos]

You're making assumptions about A-10C + FC2 far, far too early.

[BTTW-DratsaB]

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=47144

 

Read here and provide feedback!

Personally I think this is a perfect move for DCS: BS to get MP fired up! Now we can create massive operations where players can take different parts in it! How cool is that!? :thumbup:

 

With all the hardware announced and now this; Sim Revival!

 

 

Heh heh, I never check that section. Thanks for the heads up, great news!!

[Feuerfalke]

It was stated before that it's planned to upgrade the DCS-engine with each new module that is released.

 

So while this first step called DCS:BS may still be compatible with LO, depending on the changes in future modules, it may no longer be. And what upgrade is when implemented probably depends on a lot of factors, so it's most likely impossible to say wether the next modules will be compatible or not, until everything is set in stone.

 

In either case, in the end, I wouldn't like to fly a DCS:F-15C online against a LO Mig29 or Su33... :doh:

[RvEYoda]

Doppler radar detects moving things, and rotors move very quickly. ;)

There is an instance in one of the gulf wars where an F-15E detected and locked onto a landed Mi-8 from 50nm in air to air mode because of the spinning rotors. They then proceeded to hit it with a GBU (which hit after the helicopter took off, thus making it the first ever A2A kill with a GBU).

 

:lol::pilotfly: