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[czarnyolek]

Why ED don´t do it from the begginin?

 

And its a user who has to discover it

 

Greetings

 

Because this feature should be a big asset for next DCS release and by doing it with FC2 they would limit number of future DCS buyers. I suppose, but i don't think it is something to worry about because market for flight sims is so thirsty it will absorb any new release, especially with quality presented by ED products. This thread will disappear soon enough anyway, just as Nevada terrain did, but the word will spread ;)

Edited March 30, 2010 by czarnyolek

[EvilBivol-1]

Because this feature should be a big asset for next DCS release and by doing it with FC2 they would limit number of future DCS buyers. I suppose, but i don't think it is something to worry about because market for flight sims is so thirsty it will absorb any new release, especially with quality presented by ED products. This thread will disappear soon enough anyway, just as Nevada terrain did, but the word will spread

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=43634

 

At least make an effort to be informed before making such ridiculous statements. The cockpits in FC2 are the same as in Lock On and FC - not designed for 6 DOF technology and based on 2D texture panels in a 3D space. Expanding the 6 DOF limits can produce graphical artifacts in these cockpits. However, the code is there and open for you to experiment and if you find a good solution that provides both more movement and no artifacts, we are only happy to see it.

Edited March 30, 2010 by EvilBivol-1

[Distiler]

Because this feature should be a big asset for next DCS release and by doing it with FC2 they would limit number of future DCS buyers. I suppose, but i don't think it is something to worry about because market for flight sims is so thirsty it will absorb any new release, especially with quality presented by ED products. This thread will disappear soon enough anyway, just as Nevada terrain did, but the word will spread ;)

 

Perhaps It's because quality standards. Some of us can live with modded cockpit and it's flaws (you'll see disapearing textures and other glitches when you move the head to the limits), some others not. But I suspose ED as a corporation prefers limited 6DoF without glitches. Also, they did it as a lua file, not encoded in any file so it's open to modify, be thankful.

[czarnyolek]

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=43634

 

At least make an effort to be informed before making such ridiculous statements. The cockpits in FC2 are the same as in Lock On and FC - not designed for 6 DOF technology and based on 2D texture panels in a 3D space. Expanding the 6 DOF limits can produce graphical artifacts in these cockpits. However, the code is there and open for you to experiment and if you find a good solution that provides both more movement and no artifacts, we are only happy to see it.

 

I meant one with Hawgs work witch disappeared when mod got to lockonfiles download section.

Anyway i dont keep myself updated with DCS news as i'm not into helis or a-10s, so i don't think i'm obliged to it. My apologies thou :thumbup:.

Just hope that no one will delete this thread as 6dof in FC2 will give us more fun, so i don't want my statements lead to limit others access to this mod.

humble pole

Edited March 30, 2010 by czarnyolek

[element1108]

That IS an amazing find, thankS Gozr!

[asparagin]

Very nice +1

[Bucic]

BTW, I still haven't got an answer to my question I tossed somewhere before - does camera in FC2 moves down during high G maneuvers to mirror spine compression?

:music_whistling:

 

Anyone?

[HiJack]

Works great!

Thanks Gozr for exelent work :)

[Rikus]

 

The cockpits in FC2 are the same as in Lock On and FC - not designed for 6 DOF technology and based on 2D texture panels in a 3D space. Expanding the 6 DOF limits can produce graphical artifacts in these cockpits. However, the code is there and open for you to experiment and if you find a good solution that provides both more movement and no artifacts, we are only happy to see it.

 

Perhaps It's because quality standards. Some of us can live with modded cockpit and it's flaws (you'll see disapearing textures and other glitches when you move the head to the limits), some others not. But I suspose ED as a corporation prefers limited 6DoF without glitches. Also, they did it as a lua file, not encoded in any file so it's open to modify, be thankful.

 

I see.

 

Thanks

 

Greetings

[element1108]

Companies play by the rules while allowing us to bend them to our liking. Excellent philosophy to follow.

 

On that note, do I just copy and paste those values onto the server.lua? Forgive me as my programming and self modding skills are very limited.

[Spetz]

Excellent ! Will try after work.. Has anyone tried this with Ricardo's HD cockpits ??

[Scudslaker]

:book:+1 Rep.:smartass:

[Xjikz]

How does this values work ? What must I change to "reduce" the effects of movement, but keep enough freedom do see behind the cockpit bars?

 

Actually these values give texture problem because we are too far on the left or right side of the cockpit.

 

local new_6DOF = {x = {-0.02,0.35},y = {-0.15,0.21},z = {-0.26,0.26},roll = 90.0}

[nemises]

you'll need to experiment yourself, but it "seems" pretty straight forward..

 

The X = value is the limit on the X axis , the y values is the Y axis, the z values are the limits on the Z axis.

 

Judging from the lack of symetry in some of the values, I think it can be assumed ED are using an "X Up" approach, where the X axis is up and down, Y axis is forward and back, and Z axis is left and right ... just tweak the limits inwards towards 0 (for eg. try z = {-0.2,0.2} ) and see if that helps you..if you need less movement still, set the upper and lower limits closer to 0...for more movement, then extend the distance from 0 for the limits.

 

If someone can corect whic Axis are which , that'd be great, as I do not have access to a FC2 machine to test personaly.

Edited March 30, 2010 by nemises

[Immmer]

Actually when you set ka50 values this is what you get:

 

 

Doesnt look so good.:huh:

[GGTharos]

Realistically 'up/down' should have the least motion, followed right up with 'forward/back' which should be fairly restricted, and only left/right should be significantly less restricted (0.1 works, you might want to try up to 0.15)

[Bucic]

Aah, much hated clipping. Get's in your way in almost any game. Even more annoying when you don't understand it...

[Napa]

Realistically 'up/down' should have the least motion, followed right up with 'forward/back' which should be fairly restricted, and only left/right should be significantly less restricted (0.1 works, you might want to try up to 0.15)

 

As well as forward and back... IRL the pilot has the "Seat belt sign" to ON and keeps his body from flying around in the cockpit and rolling around :lol:

[some1]

Aah, much hated clipping. Get's in your way in almost any game. Even more annoying when you don't understand it...

 

It's not clipping, it's non-existent 3D model.

[Bucic]

It's not clipping, it's non-existent 3D model.

So there's a separate external models for cockpit views?

[Wags]

Perhaps It's because quality standards. Some of us can live with modded cockpit and it's flaws (you'll see disapearing textures and other glitches when you move the head to the limits), some others not. But I suspose ED as a corporation prefers limited 6DoF without glitches. Also, they did it as a lua file, not encoded in any file so it's open to modify, be thankful.

 

Correct. Expanding the views outside the defaults exposes the limited geometry of the cockpits. To have included the values stated in this thread would have led to countless bug accusations. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[Wilde]

I like the default setting of it actually. You can look around the ejection seat far enough to see your wingman in a loose formation. Those extreme movements from the youtube clips seem too much to me. After all the pilot is tied to his seat and not walking around an airliner.

[159th_Viper]

I like the default setting of it actually....

 

Aye - there's a Good reason for the existence of the 'Default' values. Oh Wei, like Kids in a Candy-Store - always certain that the Good Stuff can only be found under the Counter, much to the Shopkeeper's Annoyance......:D

[some1]

So there's a separate external models for cockpit views?

 

No, Lock On uses the same external model for cockpit view (except it removes simple interior and pilot from external model). The trick is that it renders cockpit always as the last object, so it appears on top of everything else.

 

Holes are seen in places that are not covered by cokcpit model, because there you look at exterior model 'from the inside'. The polygons are visible from one (external) side only.

 

It has nothing to do with viewport clipping that can be seen in Lockon when you mess in Modman with clipping setting, or in every other game. It's just how the Lock On engine works, and how the models were built back in 2003 (or earlier).

Edited March 30, 2010 by some1

[Bucic]

Thanks for the excellent explanation, some1.