My Fing ID Posted October 8, 2010 Posted October 8, 2010 "Let us hope that ED do well with sales so they can continue this great series." ... with a multirole fighter-bomber. There, fixed it for ya :) No way, we need something like DCS C130. Then we could have all the excitement of taking off, flying, AND landing equipment/troops/supplies! The less combat the better I say!:D
Steel Jaw Posted October 8, 2010 Posted October 8, 2010 As I said, no offense to ED. Like the bumble bee, rotary wings aint meant to fly. ;) "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, Red Dragon 7800XT/16GB.
GGTharos Posted October 8, 2010 Posted October 8, 2010 You are incorrect. They are charging fair market value in both markets. This is something I do not agree with. Charging North American and Europeans more money based on the false believe we are wealthier. This is simply not so any longer and it reeks of bias and discrimination based on social status and geography. I have no problem paying $60 for A10. It is worth every penny, but we are no different economically today than Russia or other countries. The US economy is the worst I've seen in my life time and Canada continues to lose good paying jobs to other countries with lower standards and few labour laws. Sorry, I don't mean to sound political. My point is this is a myth based on the past and needs to change. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Steel Jaw Posted October 8, 2010 Posted October 8, 2010 Boner, are you feeling disenfranchised today? :D "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, Red Dragon 7800XT/16GB.
andysim Posted October 8, 2010 Posted October 8, 2010 Same here I would pay $100 for a sim of this quality. As with most things in life you get what you paid for and $59.99 is more than reasonable for what you get. A top notch A-10C and largley overhauled sim to run it in. Just save a few dollers a week untill the final retail build comes out and you wont even notice you spent it hehe.
Renato71 Posted October 8, 2010 Posted October 8, 2010 I find it hard to believe that someone, ANYONE, cannot afford US $60 for a sim that will entertain for hundreds (in my case thousands) of hours. Sorry, I do not buy that. I cannot. And since you are bragging so much about how much you would like to pay, I'm awaiting your serial key in my PM box. I'm downloading DCS-WH as I type this in anticipation of your PM. Feel free to send more serial keys, as none of my buddies cannot afford it. Alternatively, I will to take your 200 USD, and as soon as funds arrive at my account, I will send YOU one serial key. Thanks in advance. 2 I'm selling MiG-21 activation key. Also selling Suncom F-15E Talon HOTAS with MIDI connectors, several sets. Contact via PM.
GhostDog Posted October 8, 2010 Posted October 8, 2010 To my disdainful European and aggrieved American compatriots: less than the price in YOUR market does not equal "cheap" in another market. EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 Gaming | i5 7600K 3.8 GHz | ASRock Z270 Pro4 | Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200 16 GB | PNY CS2030 NVMe SSD 480 GB | WD Blue 7200 RPM 1TB HDD | Corsair Carbide 200R ATX Mid-Tower | Win 10 x64
BoneDust Posted October 8, 2010 Posted October 8, 2010 Boner, are you feeling disenfranchised today? :D Not at all bud. I can easily afford to buy this game, but the reality is many people in Canada and I'm sure in the US work low paying jobs now. You know this for a fact being from Ontario. All the good manufacturing jobs are gone. I've never been a self person and even though I can afford to buy whatever I want I know there are many others who cannot, and I just think we in the west are taken advantage of by most Global businesses today. Regarding FMV I remember very clearly when BS was release there was a post on here from someone involved with the business stating the price was higher in the West because people could afford to pay more; or words to that effect. Alienware New Aurora R15 | Windows® 11 Home Premium | 64bit, 13thGen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9 13900KF(24-Core, 68MB| NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 4090, 24GB GDDR6X | 1 X 2TB SSD, 1X 1TB SSD | 64GB, 2x32GB, DDR5, 4800MHz | 1350W PSU, Alienware Cryo-tech (TM) Edition CPU Liquid Cooling power supply | Pimax Crystal VR
Callsign.Vega Posted October 8, 2010 Posted October 8, 2010 My custom built computer, 3x 30" LCD's for this sim title with Hotas Warthog and Simped's cost me about $8000. I think $60 for the software is a fair price. ;) GPU: RTX 4090 - 3,000 MHz core / 12,000 MHz VRAM. CPU: 7950X3d - 5.2 GHz X3d, 5.8 GHz secondary / MB: ASUS Crosshair X670E Gene / RAM: G.Skill 48GB 6400 MHz SSD: Intel Optane P5800X - 800GB VR: Pimax Crystal CONTROLS: VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Base / VPC Constellation ALPHA Prime Grip / VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle / TM Pendular Rudders
Grimes Posted October 8, 2010 Posted October 8, 2010 Think of it this way. The standard price point of most new PC games is $50. The 60$ price point is becoming more and more common within the PC gaming medium. Many of them pre-order somewhere between $50-60. Although its not uncommon to get a slight discount to pre-ordering. So I wouldn't say the 60$ is entirely crazy. But I do understand where your point of the argument. But think of it like this, Black Shark is supposed to be brought up to the same standard as A10. Thus, really all you pay for with DCS:A10 is the ability to fly the A10 as all of the new features will theoretically be provided free of charge to BS users. Unlike some of you I wouldn't pay 100$+ for it. Mostly because I'm broke. But even then anything above 60$ that isn't a collectors edition with a bunch of cool swag just isn't worth it. The right man in the wrong place makes all the difference in the world. Current Projects: Grayflag Server, Scripting Wiki Useful Links: Mission Scripting Tools MIST-(GitHub) MIST-(Thread) SLMOD, Wiki wishlist, Mission Editing Wiki!, Mission Building Forum
keithb Posted October 8, 2010 Posted October 8, 2010 Contrast with Oleg's Storm of War - a different beast but completely new, new scenery etc, been in development forever. I've had it on pre-order for over 4 years (!) for just $30.... I'm happy to pay the $60 for A-10C...but I would have been happier with the Fulda gap than Georgia. Cheers, Keith
Jg2001_Rasputin Posted October 8, 2010 Posted October 8, 2010 Here in Europe a newly released game usually costs about 50€. The so called special editions 60-70€. 60$ equals 43€ so I say its a very fair price for a new game. How much do the MSFX third party developers charge for their planes btw?
galagamo Posted October 8, 2010 Posted October 8, 2010 Here in Europe a newly released game usually costs about 50€. The so called special editions 60-70€. 60$ equals 43€ so I say its a very fair price for a new game. How much do the MSFX third party developers charge for their planes btw? Well I just spent $43USD on the IRIS A-10A for FSX. So who's arguing that DCS WH is overpriced anyway? Now the TM WH at 499.99, I can't afford it so I say it's overpriced:mad: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] OS:WIN7 HP X64|MOBO:ASRock Z68|CPU:I52500k@4Ghz|RAM:12Gb 3x4Gb GSkill Ripjaws 9-9-9-24 @1600Mhz|GPU:ASUS GTX580|HDD:2x128Gb Crucial sataIII SSD raid0|PSU:Antek 1000watt|Case:Antek 1200|Peripherals: TMWH|Saitek ProFlight rudder pedals|TrackIr4
Odin_Norway Posted October 8, 2010 Posted October 8, 2010 When I served in the navy 10 years ago, we alwaysed measured things in pints (of beer). I still think that's a good way to legitimate a purchase :thumbup: You see, here in Norway, if you buy a pint at a pub i will cost probably around $10 (Yeah, I know it's terrible, but our gouverment don't want us to use alcohol and tobacco so they try to make it so expensive that noone will afford to drink/smoke). Anyway, the point is, if you do the math, you'll easily see that you get tons of more fun with the Warthog than you get from beer for the same amount of dollars :smartass: You see Oh btw, I can't afford the sim yet myself. Still have to read about the fun in here for two more weeks until I get my salary. 1 Oдин
bfeld Posted October 8, 2010 Posted October 8, 2010 I don't really understand why people relate the price of the product to the number of vehicles they can steer. I mean, the TADS or ABRIS (in BS) programming seems more complex than other full price games ;)
zaelu Posted October 8, 2010 Posted October 8, 2010 I live in Romania... sort of Russia remuneration but with UK+10% prices... 60$ is a lot. Yes I payed a lot more on beer and PC hardware but my HOTAS is used at more than just one game. Also I don't play DCS or FC for hundreds and hundreds of hours... maybe is just me in this situation. Also... DCS A10 still has the arcade mode for casual players... Implementing this mode had its costs and its reasons... they wanted to broaden the market by attracting the kids into it. But... 60$? A kid buying this game at 60$ for sure bought something like ARMA 2... what do you expect he will tell to his "clan"? The DCS game will not provide even 10% of the fun he seeks and he gets from something like ARMA... so he will spread bad vibes. That's if is not stopped right at the purchase by the price. my 2 cents. PS Of course the development of DCS A10 was expensive and ED deserves to earn some revenue for it... but imho the pricing could be set a bit too in the niche. I think 50 would had sounded more buyable... implying a good game... 60... expensive game... which attract greater care before buying it. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] I5 4670k, 32GB, GTX 1070, Thrustmaster TFRP, G940 Throttle extremely modded with Bodnar 0836X and Bu0836A, Warthog Joystick with F-18 grip, Oculus Rift S - Almost all is made from gifts from friends, the most expensive parts at least
nomdeplume Posted October 8, 2010 Posted October 8, 2010 I think it makes sense, economically, to implement as tiered a pricing structure as you can. The game isn't even released yet, so obviously the pre-purchase + beta is aimed at the hardcore who are likely at least considering spending $500 for the Warthog HOTAS. Maybe they won't immediately drop the price after release, but it will inevitably come down, especially as it makes it way to Steam. And a while after the physical product release, it'll start on its way to the bargain bin. So, everyone gets to choose how much they're willing to pay for it. Those who pay more get to play it sooner than those who choose to pay less, but why shouldn't people who pay more get something 'better' for their money?
Devilman Posted October 8, 2010 Posted October 8, 2010 The price of the game is fine. What I am personally frustrated with is I have purchased Lock On modern air combat... 5 times. Lomac original cd. lomac Flaming cliffs x 3 2x download version + 1 cd version (cd version is water damaged after moving house/state) ~related DCS blackshark seperate purchase, but eventually intergrated to FC2 as stand alone Lock On flaming cliffs 2. currently still on first purchase however MAIN computer is dead and i probably have lost it. What i would like to see is a loyalty discount applied to those who own previous titles. (eg FC1 get 40% off FC2 & 20% off DCS a-10 i also would like to have true ownership of the titles i buy. Since lock on flaming cliffs I feel like have only 'rented' the game. DCS A-10 possibly could see me spend a total of 2000 - 2500. and im not really 'into' mud moving Id rather be spending this money on DCS- Kuznetsov with a functional kuznetsov lower deck parking and realistic Su-33 perhaps thrustmaster would release a HOTAS FLANKER i mite also mention i had flanker 2 sweet game! aside from the bugs. 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Join Maddog Simulations DCS World Club & Squadrons for every module
ZaltysZ Posted October 8, 2010 Posted October 8, 2010 You see, here in Norway, if you buy a pint at a pub i will cost probably around $10 (Yeah, I know it's terrible, but our gouverment don't want us to use alcohol and tobacco so they try to make it so expensive that noone will afford to drink/smoke) Here I can buy 30 pints in pub and about 50 pints in store for a price of Warthog. :D Wir sehen uns in Walhalla.
zaelu Posted October 8, 2010 Posted October 8, 2010 For the same price... I can buy in a super market 100 cans of beer (0.5l)... decent one. :D Maybe only beer is cheaper here... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] I5 4670k, 32GB, GTX 1070, Thrustmaster TFRP, G940 Throttle extremely modded with Bodnar 0836X and Bu0836A, Warthog Joystick with F-18 grip, Oculus Rift S - Almost all is made from gifts from friends, the most expensive parts at least
kiss4luna Posted October 8, 2010 Posted October 8, 2010 my monthly income is $350 so although i bought A10 but it's indeed a bit expensive for me RTX 3070
digitaljjd Posted October 8, 2010 Posted October 8, 2010 If paying a slightly higher price point ensures that there will be a next DCS module to come, then we should all "Buy more, BUY MORE NOW...and be happy."
Feuerfalke Posted October 8, 2010 Posted October 8, 2010 Contrast with Oleg's Storm of War - a different beast but completely new, new scenery etc, been in development forever. I've had it on pre-order for over 4 years (!) for just $30.... I'm happy to pay the $60 for A-10C...but I would have been happier with the Fulda gap than Georgia. Cheers, Keith There is no release-date for SOW, yet, not even daring to speak of a price. And it's still based upon IL2 more or less. So your main argument doesn't really fit. If you preordered it 4 years ago (!), well, that's rather an argument that you have too much money, not too little. This is especially true, since SOW at this time WAS an addon for IL2 and as such had a prospected addon-price. It's a new game, so 30$ won't be it. MSI X670E Gaming Plus | AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D | 64 GB DDR4 | AMD RX 6900 XT | LG 55" @ 4K | Cougar 1000 W | CreativeX G6 | TIR5 | CH HOTAS (with BU0836X-12 Bit) + Crosswind Pedals | Win11 64 HP | StreamDeck XL | 3x TM MFD
CHSubZero Posted October 8, 2010 Author Posted October 8, 2010 If paying a slightly higher price point ensures that there will be a next DCS module to come, then we should all "Buy more, BUY MORE NOW...and be happy." Are you crazy man? :doh: Everyone should buy modules just to make sure that another one comes out??!! If so then something is terrible wrong in the release schedule of the modules (releasing modules addressed to a smaller interested group instead of release a module that interests a larger group of people)... Aviation Livery - Explore Military Aircraft Liveries My Mods: DCS User Files
Steel Jaw Posted October 8, 2010 Posted October 8, 2010 my monthly income is $350 so although i bought A10 but it's indeed a bit expensive for me You need to start exploiting the masses and raise your income. ;) "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, Red Dragon 7800XT/16GB.
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