Does your Shkval slew around uncontrollably? Report here. The “Crazy Shkval" Problem

[Speed]

Yup, I had this happen again to me the other day. I was going to save a track but damn, I forgot. I suppose I still have the track somewhere though, but it's probably a 30 MB track.

 

I think it happens more often at low altitude... not sure though

 

MadDog:

Try to save a track of this! Better yet, get multiple tracks! That's the only way we can ever get this fixed.

 

As to the folks saying it's not the Shkval's fault, that the pilots are doing something wrong- you're just wrong. Sorry.

 

I used to have a track, way back in Black Shark 1, that displayed the "crazy Ivan Skhval". It was recorded by another person who was in a multiplayer flight with me. He rage-quit the flight in frustration, as the crazy Skhval problem made him totally incapable of engaging targets. Over his screaming and cursing, I had him send me a track. I saw the buggy behavior clearly on the track. I watched his in-cockpit HOTAS as he vainly tried to fight the "crazy Skhval". He would command a slew, but the instant he let go of the slew button, the Skhval was take off into the wild blue yonder again in some random direction, all by itself.

 

Next, I took over control of the chopper (you can take over control in a track at any time). The problem continued. The instant I commanded a slew of the Skhval, the problem immediately stopped, and the Skhval become fully controllable again. That proves the problem is some kind of bug. If it was some kind of avionics modeling, then it would have continued to operate in the same manner as before. Clearly, somewhere in code, for some people more often than others, the Skhval slew control just occasionally goes totally berserk.

Edited April 26, 2012 by Speed

[Migow]

Yup, I had this happen again to me the other day. I was going to save a track but damn, I forgot. I suppose I still have the track somewhere though, but it's probably a 30 MB track.

 

I think it happens more often at low altitude... not sure though

 

MadDog:

Try to save a track of this! Better yet, get multiple tracks! That's the only way we can ever get this fixed.

 

As to the folks saying it's not the Shkval's fault, that the pilots are doing something wrong- you're just wrong. Sorry.

 

I used to have a track, way back in Black Shark 1, that displayed the "crazy Ivan Skhval". It was recorded by another person who was in a multiplayer flight with me. He rage-quit the flight in frustration, as the crazy Skhval problem made him totally incapable of engaging targets. Over his screaming and cursing, I had him send me a track. I saw the buggy behavior clearly on the track. I watched his in-cockpit HOTAS as he vainly tried to fight the "crazy Skhval". He would command a slew, but the instant he let go of the slew button, the Skhval was take off into the wild blue yonder again in some random direction, all by itself.

 

Next, I took over control of the chopper (you can take over control in a track at any time). The problem continued. The instant I commanded a slew of the Skhval, the problem immediately stopped, and the Skhval become fully controllable again. That proves the problem is some kind of bug. If it was some kind of avionics modeling, then it would have continued to operate in the same manner as before. Clearly, somewhere in code, for some people more often than others, the Skhval slew control just occasionally goes totally berserk.

it's navigation computer that go crazy(bug) so the shkval go crazy especially with dynamic weather

[enigma6584]

Yup, I had this happen again to me the other day. I was going to save a track but damn, I forgot. I suppose I still have the track somewhere though, but it's probably a 30 MB track.

 

I think it happens more often at low altitude... not sure though

 

MadDog:

Try to save a track of this! Better yet, get multiple tracks! That's the only way we can ever get this fixed.

 

As to the folks saying it's not the Shkval's fault, that the pilots are doing something wrong- you're just wrong. Sorry.

 

I used to have a track, way back in Black Shark 1, that displayed the "crazy Ivan Skhval". It was recorded by another person who was in a multiplayer flight with me. He rage-quit the flight in frustration, as the crazy Skhval problem made him totally incapable of engaging targets. Over his screaming and cursing, I had him send me a track. I saw the buggy behavior clearly on the track. I watched his in-cockpit HOTAS as he vainly tried to fight the "crazy Skhval". He would command a slew, but the instant he let go of the slew button, the Skhval was take off into the wild blue yonder again in some random direction, all by itself.

 

Next, I took over control of the chopper (you can take over control in a track at any time). The problem continued. The instant I commanded a slew of the Skhval, the problem immediately stopped, and the Skhval become fully controllable again. That proves the problem is some kind of bug. If it was some kind of avionics modeling, then it would have continued to operate in the same manner as before. Clearly, somewhere in code, for some people more often than others, the Skhval slew control just occasionally goes totally berserk.

 

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Hope this helps.

[Skkuda]

It happens to me twice playing the mission road of tianetti

[RagnarDa]

I can report this problem also. Doubt it is burnt-out laser because the behavior is different. Could also be low-performing computer system and also being at somewhat same height as target. I do also have a Saitek X36 with the target slew mapped to the thumb eight-way POV on the stick.

[Dejjvid]

This only happen on certain missions. Gonna save a track next time it happens.

 

Often, but not everytime your laser range goes nuts aswell. So if you suddenly go from tracking a target at 6km and you suddenly see it at 2.6km you will see the crazy ivan shkval soon after. The if you relock your target, it will display the correct range for 5-20 seconds. Then go nuts again. And when you are cursing the most, you suddenly have that crazy shkval again.

 

Ragnar, if you have Agatons mission, part two and feel like saving a track. That's the mission i was talking about.

 

I have the slew assigned to TMS on my Warthog HOTAS.

[Relent]

Happened to me last night. I use a MSFF2 joystick and Saitek X52 throttle. The slew functions are assigned to the hat on the throttle, which has four positions (up/down/left/right).

 

I tried to slew in a different direction and it didn't have an effect. I had to turn off the shkval and turn it on to reset it.

[gillesdrone]

We have it concerns in the 319th of the 3rd-wing, since the patch DCS for FC3

 

I noticed that it occurs when the distance of the target is lost during a travel as the shkval tries to repointer on the distance it becomes crazy and leaves on the highly-rated

 

If we take a mission charged well with the overcast, we shall have the concern, if for the same mission we put a sky without cloud the disparait problem can be the other Problems are connected but that this is sure

[Isegrim]

I have done some tests some month ago.

 

For me it seems like "it" happens or is been executed by changes of the QNH Air pressure.

 

At 761 QNH "it" happens just sometimes for me,

 

at lower or Higher Air pressure "it" often happens.

 

Also High Temperatures are a proplem i noticed.

[FubarBundy]

To me its become part of the sim

 

I'm just used to crazy Skhval syndrome and see it as part of the sim... Crazy Russian technology.. sometimes it does crazy stuff!. I think I would miss this little "feature" if it was removed. :huh:

[StoOopiD]

me too.

 

ch pro thottle (analog stick)

[BaD CrC]

I have done some tests some month ago.

 

For me it seems like "it" happens or is been executed by changes of the QNH Air pressure.

 

At 761 QNH "it" happens just sometimes for me,

 

at lower or Higher Air pressure "it" often happens.

 

Also High Temperatures are a proplem i noticed.

 

Very interesting. The mission Gillesdrone was mentionning were we almost all had the crazy shkval problem (5 out of 6 pilots) was set up with 35 deg C temperature and low QNH.

[Absolut]

also crazy shkval here, never got this problem before and still using the same hotas warthog setup, but since i installed every thing ( also ka50 ) new for FC3 it feels totaly different also the flight characteristic is different and strange. my heli wont roll and with the trimm on it shakes always left and right like a half full milkbottle.

[Katmandu]

My Shkval goes crazy too, (no it is not autoscan mode that is toggled by "O"!) Here is a vid I made where I had to fight it, and also the saved track (you'll neeed to fast forward the flight to target first).

 

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=86488&d=1377290485

 

My joystick is MSFF2, I use hat switch for slew control.

Edited August 23, 2013 by Katmandu

[Devrim]

Yes. This problem still exits.

 

I lock on a target. Target moves and disappears behind a building. Shkval loses the target but it seems like tracking the target. It moves unceasingly and tracks nothing. And I can't stop it!

[ajax]

Devrim, I've found that the behavior you describe can be solved by clicking "Uncage Shkval/Designate Target" with the HMS activated.

[Katmandu]

I've solved this problem by taking a distance measurement with laser range finder. Once Shkval knows distance to point its looking at it, it stops being confused. I now think it 's not a bug, but a portrail of optical stabilisation/tracking system's shortcoming.

[Hunden Ynk]

Another similar solution, seems to be to turn the laser off. That disregards any previously collected range-data, which in any case, can turn stale quick as soon as you start slewing around, triggering the crazy-Shkval(?). Then range when you're all set to fire. I'd love to know if this an error or not, no conclusions yet?

[karambiatos]

This has become really weird since 1.2.6, ive lazed a target 6 km away only to have it jump to 0.3 then 0.1 after the laze, for no reason at all, causing my helicopter to nose plant there were no buildings between me and the target, the strange thing is, i have been unable to replicate it in singleplayer.

 

ive attached a track, if anyone wishes to view it, it begins around 17:42:00 ingame TOD i believe

client-20130912-204355.trk

[Katmandu]

Another similar solution, seems to be to turn the laser off. That disregards any previously collected range-data, which in any case, can turn stale quick as soon as you start slewing around, triggering the crazy-Shkval(?). Then range when you're all set to fire. I'd love to know if this an error or not, no conclusions yet?

 

I have paid attention to this behaviour over the past month and I now think that this could be modelled behaviour of real Shkval- the optical stabilser is more likely to go bonkers during twilight hours or in fog, a quick laser distance measurement has always recovered the uncontrollable slewing. Looks like a feature to me :)

[karambiatos]

I have paid attention to this behaviour over the past month and I now think that this could be modelled behaviour of real Shkval- the optical stabilser is more likely to go bonkers during twilight hours or in fog, a quick laser distance measurement has always recovered the uncontrollable slewing. Looks like a feature to me :)

 

And when i happens in clear weather? is it locking onto the air molecules?

[TimeKilla]

And when i happens in clear weather? is it locking onto the air molecules?

 

lol the devs will love him.

[zaelu]

I noticed too that lasing is weirder lately but... maybe it's more realistic this way? I don't know how "perfect" such system works but I fear is not like "in the games".

[Davis0079]

how often do you guys use the laser reset...or turn your laser off.......try installing the mod that puts the laser temp on the hud and monitor it carefully........I never have crazy shkval problems anymore.......I'm pretty sure it is a malfunctioning laser that is messing with you guys and not the camera

 

dont wait for the timer to count down to 0 and the laser to turn off automatically.....use the laser reset immediately after your missile hits...not only will you keep your laser cooler and in better working order...but you will be able to fire more missiles one after another with less time wasted between each shot

 

 

I think this is a laser temp/faulty laser problem.....not a crazy shkval problem

 

 

like previously stated....I stopped having this problem after learning to manage the laser a little better.

[Katmandu]

And when i happens in clear weather? is it locking onto the air molecules?

 

In clear weather it can also loose auto focus and start hunting, this is 1980s camera technology were talking about here, it is pretty amazing az it is for 1980s ;)

 

THe bottom line is that in ANY conditions a laser distance measurement will always cure the uncontrollable slew (which is only more likely in bad visibility, but still happens in perfect daylight).