Show me your mad dogfighting skills!

[leafer]

Just curious why you didn't set proper wingspan for the gunsight?

 

Enjoyed the vid. :thumbup:

[Solty]

Heated argument with too many Doras. POV clip that I made lately. Enjoy.

 

 

Edited September 5, 2014 by Solty

[Pandacat]

Heated argument with too many Doras. POV clip that I made lately. Enjoy.

 

 

 

This video shows failed physics modelled in DCS. One winged 190 not only didn't flip out of control but also kept on flying level and straight for minutes. In real life, that aircraft would have been spinning out of control long time ago.

[NineLine]

This video shows failed physics modelled in DCS. One winged 190 not only didn't flip out of control but also kept on flying level and straight for minutes. In real life, that aircraft would have been spinning out of control long time ago.

 

 

I dont agree, he had a good chunk of wing left, and was fighting it quite hard to maintain control, he eventually lost it, seems legit to me... I think the only difference in sim to real world is most pilots would have immediately bailed rather than trying to save it.... we dont have fear for life modelled in the sim ;)

[Pandacat]

I dont agree, he had a good chunk of wing left, and was fighting it quite hard to maintain control, he eventually lost it, seems legit to me... I think the only difference in sim to real world is most pilots would have immediately bailed rather than trying to save it.... we dont have fear for life modelled in the sim ;)

 

The damage was substantial, visually. I would say at least 2/3 of the wing got ripped off. Also, I was hoping to see the initial snap roll when the wing suddenly broke off (cuz pilot wouldn't know when exactly the wing was gonna fall off and to balance control to compensate). In video, it was blocked by P51's windshield rim. But I got the feeling it didn't occur. While it is true that there is no fear for life in sim, there is also no financial, political or disciplinary motivations to save a seriously crippled aircraft in sim. ;)

[NineLine]

The view was obscured a good amount of the time, it looks like he might have snapped over atleast once... hard to say.

[BitMaster]

I dunno for the Dora as I am still waiting on this damn Paycheck but I can tell you that the same instant moment the wing goes LALA in your P-51 you definitely have no doubt that something goes completely wrong.

 

There has been an incident in Israel with a F-15. That guy RTB'ed with 1 wing 100% torn off right at the fuselage...don'say it wont fly on 1 wing, there are starnge things out there that still dont harm any laws of physics, just really really strange..but true.

 

 

Bit

[Pandacat]

I dunno for the Dora as I am still waiting on this damn Paycheck but I can tell you that the same instant moment the wing goes LALA in your P-51 you definitely have no doubt that something goes completely wrong.

 

There has been an incident in Israel with a F-15. That guy RTB'ed with 1 wing 100% torn off right at the fuselage...don'say it wont fly on 1 wing, there are starnge things out there that still dont harm any laws of physics, just really really strange..but true.

 

 

Bit

 

I heard about that f-15 story. But that's not comparable cuz modern jets are designed very different from old WWII planes. For starter, F-15's fuselage is designed to provide lift in addition to what wings can give you. While losing 1 wing will undoubtedly upset your balance, the lift generated from the fuselage will help to mitigate the effect. The same cannot be said for WWII fighters.

[NineLine]

[blackgold]

The wings can produce uneven lift and still be controllable if you have enough control surfaces to maintain level flight. Example, you can get uneven slat and/or flap deployment and you might not spin out. Level flight is achieved with control surfaces, not airplane design. Conditions are never perfect to the point the airplane flies dead level with no trim and no correction. With a damaged wing, it's just a question of how much control the airplane has (left) and if that is enough to maintain level flight.

[NineLine]

It is really about surviving the moment the damage happens, I remember reading a story about a B-17 that lost most of one wing, went inverted, but was able to roll back over long enough for everyone to bail out, I cant confirm that story as I dont remember where I read it of course...

[BitMaster]

I heard about that f-15 story. But that's not comparable cuz modern jets are designed very different from old WWII planes. For starter, F-15's fuselage is designed to provide lift in addition to what wings can give you. While losing 1 wing will undoubtedly upset your balance, the lift generated from the fuselage will help to mitigate the effect. The same cannot be said for WWII fighters.

 

I am not comparing the F-15 to any WWII Airplane, it is only an example of how odd you can fly.

 

SiThSpAwN's picture says it all and I bet you can cut off some more and it would still fly if the Pilot has the guts 'n' skills... just dont give up stirring the stick to find the magic spot where it suddenly flies tamed.

 

 

Bit

[98abaile]

MY FIRST KILL!

I know you can all probably put me to shame but I am beaming right now. I've only ever dabbled in flight sims before, playing EF2000 casually when I was in my early teens and only ever dipping my toes into A-10C and the blackshark before giving up; this is the first time I've actually taken a simulator seriously and I'm hooked.

 

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I notice that when he turns he uses lots of rudder to bring the nose down during a turn; I have always been trying to keep the slip indicator centred even when trying to pull a similar turn, do I not need to worry about the slip indicator so much? Also prior to this sortie I've always left the radiator doors in automatic (and many times blown up the engine), for this sortie I deliberately set a control on my hotas and opened them fully with no problems (although you may notice in the track that I deliberately kept my RPM below maximum); is this something you guys do and is there any disadvantage to having the coolant go below the green mark?

P-51D vs Fw190 FIRST KILL.trk

[kontiuka]

MY FIRST KILL!

I know you can all probably put me to shame but I am beaming right now. I've only ever dabbled in flight sims before, playing EF2000 casually when I was in my early teens and only ever dipping my toes into A-10C and the blackshark before giving up; this is the first time I've actually taken a simulator seriously and I'm hooked.

 

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I notice that when he turns he uses lots of rudder to bring the nose down during a turn; I have always been trying to keep the slip indicator centred even when trying to pull a similar turn, do I not need to worry about the slip indicator so much? Also prior to this sortie I've always left the radiator doors in automatic (and many times blown up the engine), for this sortie I deliberately set a control on my hotas and opened them fully with no problems (although you may notice in the track that I deliberately kept my RPM below maximum); is this something you guys do and is there any disadvantage to having the coolant go below the green mark?

Congrats on the kill! I'd say generally you want to have coordinated flight in a turn otherwise you're losing precious energy. There are times when you're not worried so much about being coordinated but for smooth flying, you want to be. In a dogfight, I usually keep a slightly nose down attitude in a turn. I lose a bit of altitude but it helps keep my speed up.

 

As for the radiator doors, I used to do like you but I now keep them in automatic. From what I've been told, a cold engine can be hazardous as well or at least not be as efficient. The green zone is there for a reason.

[flare2000x]

MY FIRST KILL!

I know you can all probably put me to shame but I am beaming right now. I've only ever dabbled in flight sims before, playing EF2000 casually when I was in my early teens and only ever dipping my toes into A-10C and the blackshark before giving up; this is the first time I've actually taken a simulator seriously and I'm hooked.

 

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I notice that when he turns he uses lots of rudder to bring the nose down during a turn; I have always been trying to keep the slip indicator centred even when trying to pull a similar turn, do I not need to worry about the slip indicator so much? Also prior to this sortie I've always left the radiator doors in automatic (and many times blown up the engine), for this sortie I deliberately set a control on my hotas and opened them fully with no problems (although you may notice in the track that I deliberately kept my RPM below maximum); is this something you guys do and is there any disadvantage to having the coolant go below the green mark?

 

Hey, I just got mine too! I never would have thought to buy the Mustang, as I don't really like the plane IRL, but I received a free key and tried out the "dogfight" instant action. Within a few minutes, I had him! It was a lot easier than in the Dora, I could actually aim and I felt that 51 handles much easier. (Maybe It's the curves that I set up . . . Who knows.) The P-51 really can turn, and with a little bit of lag pursuit it was easy to kill the sole Fw.

 

 

Plus landing pic: :lol:

 

flare

Edited October 7, 2014 by flare2000x
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[Snaut]

First dogfight = first kill!

 

I just purchased the P-51D on Steam.

First instant action dogfight and I managed to shoot the wing off the Dora.

 

I hadn't setup the gunsight controls yet, so it was mostly shooting by observing where the tracers fly :)

first dogfight.trk

[Zilch]

I guess the L-39 isn't a V1.

 

I'm building a mission in which the player's P-51's are tasked to shoot down a pair of L-39 spotter planes, so I figured I'd test them in 1 vs. 1 before I subjected the player to a situation he can't overcome.

 

After 229 50-cal hits on this damn L-39 without it dying, I think I'm going to scrap the idea.

 

However, after I run out of ammo, I got inspired by a story I read of an RAF Meteor pilot tipping a V1 flying bomb over with his wing after a gun jam, I decided to try the same thing against the hole-riddled L-39.

 

Results are predictable. Track attached.

 

 

 

EDIT: Shot it down on a second attempt with 163 hits. Compared to the few dozen it took to down the An-26 and MiG-15, I'm not sure how the damage models are working.

Buzz Bomb.trk

Edited December 10, 2014 by Zilch

[NakedSquirrel]

[WildBillKelsoe]

simple... effective... clean...

 

[Solty]

simple... effective... clean...

 

Thats a Fw190 not the Kurfurst 109K4

 

If you did that agianst a 109 you would be dead after second circle

Edited December 28, 2014 by Solty

[WildBillKelsoe]

Thats a Fw190 not the Kurfurst 109K4

 

If you did that agianst a 109 you would be dead after second circle

 

 

Oh sorry... I am mistaken it is a Fw190 Dora..:smartass:

[Zompa]

I want to get better at making videos. In this one I use one of the filters in the youtube editing process and I like how it turned out. I want to do more of these because I enjoy doing so. This flight is nothing special but just an instant action dogfight I happen to have some fun doing. Though, because of some songs I chose to add into the video, it is not allowed in some countries. For this I'm considering using Vimeo because I don't think that is an issue with them. But anyways, I don't have anywhere else to share this video where anybody would give a hoot. So I hope you'll enjoy.

 

Edited January 5, 2015 by Zompa

[Solty]

Oh sorry... I am mistaken it is a Fw190 Dora..:smartass:

No worries. I made a K4 video though :P Also, against AI.

 

 

I wish I could make a video from MP, but all my replays don't work properly :(

 

Anyway enjoy.

[Pandacat]

No worries. I made a K4 video though :P Also, against AI.

 

 

I wish I could make a video from MP, but all my replays don't work properly :(

 

Anyway enjoy.

 

Awesome flying. I always enjoy watching your videos. Every time I watch them, I pick up something new from them. Some MP stuff will be great. Btw, from your MP experience, were you able to get many kills against k4s in mustang?

[Solty]

Awesome flying. I always crashed during watching your videos. Every time I watch them, I pick up something new from them. Some MP stuff will be great. Btw, from your MP experience, were you able to get many kills against k4s in mustang?

 

 

Thank you. :)

 

And... Well I have only met one K4 so far and he crashed when turning at low alt. I have the 109 though and can say that for now it is superior to the mustang.

 

But, good tactcal placement and energy advantage can mitigate its advantage in performace. One thing is certain about 109. It is very delicate, and eve a short burst can put it out of action.