Aries Posted May 11, 2012 Posted May 11, 2012 Have you seen that manouvre in one of the movie dogfights? Performed first by a BF-109 and later by the Mustang pilot, like they have thrust vectoring? :music_whistling: Is it even possible, or is it just eyecandy? :pilotfly: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] ...the few, the proud, the remaining...
Nate--IRL-- Posted May 11, 2012 Posted May 11, 2012 Yes - that film is historically accurate in every respect. No Hollywood gimmicks or CGI at all. Nate Ka-50 AutoPilot/stabilisation system description and operation by IvanK- Essential Reading
Revelation Posted May 11, 2012 Posted May 11, 2012 LOL @ Nate... Too bad the movie was absolutely horrible and the original HBO movie "Tuskegee Airman" with Lawrence Fishburn was light years in quality past this Star Wars reincarnation... Win 10 Pro 64Bit | 49" UWHD AOC 5120x1440p | AMD 5900x | 64Gb DDR4 | RX 6900XT
BSS_Vidar Posted May 11, 2012 Posted May 11, 2012 Well, this P-51 can't do that, it would depart way before pitch-back due to speed bleed off. The movie had some nice eye candy, but historicaly... it was HORRIBLE. \/
6S.Duke Posted May 11, 2012 Posted May 11, 2012 HORRIBLE movie! :D The only good movies about the WWII are "Battle of Britain" (year 1969), "Memphiss Belle" (year 1990) and (for me) "Dark Blue World" (year 2001)... MB339 EFM Coder Frecce Tricolori Virtuali [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Opoch Posted May 11, 2012 Posted May 11, 2012 Terrible film for sure. Movies are all so lame anymore it seems. But it may be that I'm just not old enough to appreciate how bad it was...
PeterP Posted May 11, 2012 Posted May 11, 2012 (edited) I was sec away to go in this film with my wife- and I read some reviews beforehand - and I knew that some physical/historical laws where put out of authority .... - She wanted to make me a pleasure and watch this film with me... : so I said "stop" and we went in into one of this great European author-driven movies you never will see in normal U.S. theatres. I watched it than later alone - what can I say ? - Nicely done...and I also had a great time. But I knew It would ruin the day of my wife if she had to sit beside me while I explain what is wrong in this scene again. :) Edited May 11, 2012 by PeterP
Furious Posted May 11, 2012 Posted May 11, 2012 Couldnt watch it to the end. Acting was so bad it hurt.
Spetz Posted May 11, 2012 Posted May 11, 2012 I watched the "film" last week..AFter the first 10 minutes I forced myself to continue watching only because of the planes...Brutal acting etc... 2/10
sobek Posted May 11, 2012 Posted May 11, 2012 Too bad the movie was absolutely horrible and the original HBO movie "Tuskegee Airman" with Lawrence Fishburn was light years in quality past this Star Wars reincarnation... You dare mock Star Wars? :) Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
Maximus_G Posted May 11, 2012 Posted May 11, 2012 The only good movies about the WWII are "Battle of Britain" (year 1969), "Memphiss Belle" (year 1990) and (for me) "Dark Blue World" (year 2001)... Yes, it's been a long time since there were great new WWII aircraft movies. At least they sometimes make good scenes in different movies. The very best WWII aircraft scene from the newer movies for me is in the Valkyrie, it's the strafe run against Tom Cruise character. A marvelous shot (i mean cinematic), pure and convincingly scary.
jimcarrel Posted May 11, 2012 Posted May 11, 2012 I don't think I have seen the '69 "Battle of Britain" film. "Memphis Belle" was marvelous and it took me almost 1 1/2 years to even find "Dark blue World" here in the US after it's original release . Win 10 64 bit Intel I-7 7700K 32GB Ram Nvidia Geforce GTX 1060 6gig
LZ_Xray Posted May 11, 2012 Posted May 11, 2012 The only good movies about the WWII are "Battle of Britain" (year 1969), "Memphiss Belle" (year 1990) and (for me) "Dark Blue World" (year 2001)... Duke, there may be more than just three. ;) How about "Twelve O'clock High" (1949), "633 Squadron" (1964), "The War Lover" (1962), "The Dam Busters" (1955), and "Catch 22" (1970) (I know, it's a comedy, but lots of great B-25 sequences in it!), just to name a few? Intel i7 930 @2.8 GHz;16 GB DDR3 RAM;ASUS STRIX GeForce GTX 970 4GB;Windows 10;TrackIR 5;27" 1920X1080 single LG display;Saitek Pro Flight pedals;Thrustbuster Wartass HOTDOG [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 04B, 98G, 96C, 96B, 11B, drill sergeant, linguist Callsign "Chug"
Bearcat Posted May 12, 2012 Posted May 12, 2012 (edited) As a film it left a lot to be desired... When I saw the German lead baddie .. and his scar ... I said to myself ... "Really? ReallY? A SCAR.. a German bad guy with a scar??!! :cry::doh:" I fully expected him to pull out a monocle and a cigarette ... in a long holdr no less.. :doh: As entertainment .. for me I was pleased.. the planes.. the markings all that was pretty well done from a visual standpoint.. except for the vinyl squadron patches.. some of the acting was good.. in fact it wasn't the acting that sucked to me .. but the script it self.. It was awful .. AWFUL!! With a bad script the acting becomes almost moot.. Raygun? Raygun? Really? !! :cry: That character was actually created from Fred Hutchins who flew Little Freddie .. He got shot down 3 times.. and once was rescued by Greek partisans who nursed him back to health.. and he showed up at the base months later.. Entertaining? Yeah .. sure.. but a "memorable" film? Only in the bad ways... 12 O'Clock High .. a CLASSIC in the best way.. DBW.. I stumbled across this in Hollywood Video about 9 years ago.. what a great film.. I liked BoB .. even though it wasn't a movie perse.. Edited May 12, 2012 by Bearcat [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] AMD Fx-8350 | ASUS M5A99X EVO | EVGA 1050G PS | Corsair Force 3 240GSSD Samsung 840 EVO 500G SSD | 32G Corsair Vengance DDR3 | Seagate 1TB 7200RPMHD WD 2TB 7200 RPMHD XFX DD FX-HD 7870 2GB DDR5 | SB Xi-Fi APU | W7 U | TIR3 MSFFB2 | Saitek X-52|SaitekPro Pedals | Logitech Z-640 5.1 | ASUS VE248 24" LCD
hassata Posted May 12, 2012 Posted May 12, 2012 (edited) 3 words: Tora, Tora, Tora. Edit: err, and one trailer GgX1WBf2SjE Edited May 12, 2012 by hassata [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
TimmyD Posted May 12, 2012 Posted May 12, 2012 (edited) The maneouvre can be done and has been used in dogfights, Richard Candaleria talks about the move in this video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdCm5z2RpI8 Edited May 12, 2012 by TimmyD [sIGPIC]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic90244_1.gif[/sIGPIC]Windows 7 Ultimate 64 on OCZ SSD, (AM3)AMD955BE x4 3.2GHz - GPU AMD6950 x2Gb - 16Gb Ripjaw G-Skill DDR3 PC12800 1600MHz https://www.facebook.com/#!/FerociousFrankie
WildBillKelsoe Posted May 12, 2012 Posted May 12, 2012 Zatar, there has been ppl on the internet, me inclusive, wondering if that stunt could be pulled. The short answer is no. The long answer is: bleed speed. And last night, I saw Fishburns' 90's Tuskegee Airmen flick. It is amazing what those people went through just to fly an airplane in the days of them white-supremacist warmongers... Well, just another dark spot in the white man's history. But if it wasn't for Eleanor Roosevelt, they never would have seen combat nor be on a request from a white bomber man. Alot of people object to the "colored" at that time. just inherit hate I say... AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
Furious Posted May 12, 2012 Posted May 12, 2012 The Me 109G2 (also known as Hitler's anti gravity machine) in IL2 could pull it off... :music_whistling:
TimmyD Posted May 12, 2012 Posted May 12, 2012 Zatar, there has been ppl on the internet, me inclusive, wondering if that stunt could be pulled. The short answer is no. The long answer is: bleed speed. Watch the video again....!!! This move has been/can be pulled not sure how many times people did it and scored kills like Mr Candaleria but if your life depends on this you'll try it. [sIGPIC]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic90244_1.gif[/sIGPIC]Windows 7 Ultimate 64 on OCZ SSD, (AM3)AMD955BE x4 3.2GHz - GPU AMD6950 x2Gb - 16Gb Ripjaw G-Skill DDR3 PC12800 1600MHz https://www.facebook.com/#!/FerociousFrankie
blackbaron Posted May 12, 2012 Posted May 12, 2012 Watch the video again....!!! This move has been/can be pulled not sure how many times people did it and scored kills like Mr Candaleria but if your life depends on this you'll try it.
ClearDark Posted May 12, 2012 Posted May 12, 2012 The maneouvre can be done and has been used in dogfights, Richard Candaleria talks about the move in this video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdCm5z2RpI8 This maneuver CAN NOT BE DONE by any plane from the WW2 era. Period. What worries me more is that Candaleria, who is a real WW2 pilot, sits in front of the camera and lies about his war stories. As if he has to glorify them to make him look better.
Suchacz Posted May 12, 2012 Posted May 12, 2012 Stop arguing. Now we have Mustang at our disposal, so go out and show this maneuver to us! Don't forge't to post your track! :music_whistling: Per aspera ad astra! Crucial reading about DCS: Black Shark - Black Shark and Coaxial Rotor Aerodynamics, Black Shark and the Trimmer, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 1, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 2
TimmyD Posted May 12, 2012 Posted May 12, 2012 This maneuver CAN NOT BE DONE by any plane from the WW2 era. Period. What worries me more is that Candaleria, who is a real WW2 pilot, sits in front of the camera and lies about his war stories. As if he has to glorify them to make him look better. During WWII, LT. Richard Candelaria was dogfighting in his P-51 Mustang with a skilled German pilot in am Me109. With the German flying circles around him and latched on his tail, Candelaria tries a risky maneuver, kicking his Mustang's tail around so the German would overshoot him. His plane does the equivalent of a short spin in the air and shoots down the German plane. Although he's not spinning in the air per-se, it still qualifies as an unconventional tactic. Eat your heart out, thrust vectoring. Of course, making flying machines spin in strange maneuvers has been around since WWI, with the little Fokker Triplanes being extremely agile for their time. In the Dogfights documentary series, one WWII pilot had the trick of simultaneously pitching down and yawing, turning his whole plane into one huge, unstable, airbrake. In the same series, one US pilot in Vietnam had perfected an exploitation of the Phantom jet's flat spin failure mode, putting his plane into a flat spin for a few seconds at a time to WTF his enemies and forcing overshoots by losing airspeed, then quickly recovering to normal flight on their tails. The P-51's maneuver is actually a tactic you're taught in flight school called a slip. It's used in civilian aviation to either drop altitude quickly (like maybe you're too high above a runway to land) and quickly recover, or keep your plane traveling straight in a crosswind. Yes, it also acts as an airbrake and you can recover from it really, really easily (you enter it by yawing one direction and rolling slightly the opposite; you exit by releasing the controls). Pilots during WWI would use slips to strafe targets air and ground, in addition to the aforementioned "let the Messerschmitt pass right by" use during WWII. Article taken from http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MultiTrackDrifting Your choice whether you believe it, but I certainly wouldn't dismiss it considering the aircrafts strange handling characteristics!!! [sIGPIC]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic90244_1.gif[/sIGPIC]Windows 7 Ultimate 64 on OCZ SSD, (AM3)AMD955BE x4 3.2GHz - GPU AMD6950 x2Gb - 16Gb Ripjaw G-Skill DDR3 PC12800 1600MHz https://www.facebook.com/#!/FerociousFrankie
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