Oculus Rift and DCS World Discussion

[Frusheen]

I've tried this. 'Pause' got the briefing card out of the screen, but no joy on the '5'.

 

Sounds like a tracking camera issue. Have you tried with the camera disconnected? Is the desk demo working? Did you update the firmware when you got the unit?

[EasilyDistracted]

Alright, I got it up and running. I needed to use the Bilago service manager. Thank you all for your help. Now I can work on setting up my graphics options for the smoothest experience. Any suggestions?

 

GTX780

[mgsanna]

I've reached acceptable fps and latency, and had my first decent flight in VR, with the Black Shark. I'm a long time 3D gamer: CRT with shutter glasses, emagin z800, passive polarized 3D monitor and 3D projector with shutter glasses. The most convincing was the projector, covering 80º of field of view, and adjusting stereo for correct scale. But NOTHING COMES CLOSE TO THE AUTHENTICITY OF FLYING THAT THE RIFT CONVEYS, EXCEPT REAL FLIGHT.

 

And it's a development kit with a resolution that doesn't let you read a thing. This must evolve to the point where serious simming can be done because this is the one and only proper way to interface with a simulation.

 

SO TRUE YOU ARE RIGHT

nothing is so real as oculus

[Cedaway]

Tech progress:

Japan Display has invented an 8'' 4K display (578ppi)

By now, it's only a demo product. But it shows the technology goes to the good direction...

(Source - in french: http://www.tomshardware.fr/articles/4k-uhd-tablette,1-54798.html)

[schurem]

How do you guys re-center the rift? Poring through a HUD makes my neck sore so I'd like that position to correspond with a more natural position IRL.

 

Also, is there a way to make the HUD have a little more contrast? Like make the lines darker or something? I found doing BVR on the Su-27 nigh on impossible because reading the HUD quick enough while also controlling the jet is pretty darn hard to me.

 

The rift is the future of flight simulation imo. Its so much more real. It's such a rush to look out of the cockpit as you bank, climb and dive. Really brings home the power and speed of these machines. <expletive deleted> glorious!

 

I'm quite sure we'll overcome the resolution-related problems over time. Perhaps having FOV on a slider so we can zoom in with a flick of a thumb?

Edited November 6, 2014 by schurem

[battguano]

OMG, I am salivating at the prospect of getting in a plane and taking off with my Rift! Mine's sitting home all alone in a box waiting so patiently for me to get there. Come on Dec18th!

[will-]

I just cannot understand how the rift is any good. The eye strain from text, MFD, HUD makes it just a glorified head tracking unit that does one thing good.

 

Using most recent sdk, extended desktop, in game setting display set to 5k/? (Highest it will go).

[cichlidfan]

I just cannot understand how the rift is any good. The eye strain from text, MFD, HUD makes it just a glorified head tracking unit that does one thing good.

 

Using most recent sdk, extended desktop, in game setting display set to 5k/? (Highest it will go).

 

The people that are enjoying aren't using the HUD or other instruments.

[smirkza]

How do you guys re-center the rift? Poring through a HUD makes my neck sore so I'd like that position to correspond with a more natural position IRL.

 

Also, is there a way to make the HUD have a little more contrast? Like make the lines darker or something? I found doing BVR on the Su-27 nigh on impossible because reading the HUD quick enough while also controlling the jet is pretty darn hard to me.

 

The rift is the future of flight simulation imo. Its so much more real. It's such a rush to look out of the cockpit as you bank, climb and dive. Really brings home the power and speed of these machines. <expletive deleted> glorious!

 

I'm quite sure we'll overcome the resolution-related problems over time. Perhaps having FOV on a slider so we can zoom in with a flick of a thumb?

 

Hi,

 

Numpad 5 is the default recenter button.

 

As for the HUD, I am about to try a HUD mod by PeterP that increases the size of the A10 HUD font. I'll let you know how it goes, but lets be honest, it has to be better than the default.

 

Link here -

 

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/374967/

 

Smirkza

[smirkza]

I just cannot understand how the rift is any good. The eye strain from text, MFD, HUD makes it just a glorified head tracking unit that does one thing good.

 

Using most recent sdk, extended desktop, in game setting display set to 5k/? (Highest it will go).

 

I had problems with eye strain a lot until I spent a little time adjusting the DK2 lens distance with the config utility. Before, I could play for 10 mins max and would end each session with a very odd feeling with my vision.

 

Now, I can play for as long as I want to and have no visual problems after taking the rift off.

 

As said though, it's almost impossible to fly with the HUD as it currently is so you need to have a good feeling for where gauges are and normal/abnormal ranges.

 

I guess the thing that excites me the most with it isn't the sense of immersion it gives me (which I still think is fantastic) but rather the possibilities it demonstrates of where this tech will be in the future. With high enough res screens (maybe CV2 but with luck CV1) we will be able to experience and enjoy our simulations to a degree that we could only dream of before.

 

Sure, it won't suit everybody. There are many negatives (eye strain, weight, res, gfx demands etc) but I think the positives simply outweigh them.

 

Smirkza

[xaoslaad]

I had problems with eye strain a lot until I spent a little time adjusting the DK2 lens distance with the config utility. Before, I could play for 10 mins max and would end each session with a very odd feeling with my vision.

 

Now, I can play for as long as I want to and have no visual problems after taking the rift off.

 

As said though, it's almost impossible to fly with the HUD as it currently is so you need to have a good feeling for where gauges are and normal/abnormal ranges.

 

I guess the thing that excites me the most with it isn't the sense of immersion it gives me (which I still think is fantastic) but rather the possibilities it demonstrates of where this tech will be in the future. With high enough res screens (maybe CV2 but with luck CV1) we will be able to experience and enjoy our simulations to a degree that we could only dream of before.

 

Sure, it won't suit everybody. There are many negatives (eye strain, weight, res, gfx demands etc) but I think the positives simply outweigh them.

 

Smirkza

 

The immersion is immense. the 3D look of the cockpit makes me want to reach out and touch things. Looking back I feel like if I could crawl out of the cockpit I could touch the wing.

 

I think many have mentioned the look and 'feel' of landing as the ground approaches. Flying around I find myself looking over the side of the pit a lot. I have noticed chipped paint along the edges of some of them just outside the glass I have never seen before otherwise.

 

Sims are perfect for this tech. You are sitting in a cockpit you can't walk around in, so the limitation that you need to sit in front of the IR tracker is not jarring.

 

It is currently hard to read the HUD, gauges, etc. but for pure flying, say on Virtual Acrobatics, I'd use it in a heart beat. Fighting would be rather difficult at these resolutions in most aircraft though.

 

Re: weight, I just look at it as pilots have helmets they wear. Some of them are probably heavier than the rift. Just adds more to the sensation in my book. I'd love to see JHMCS emulated. It would _really_ add to it :)

 

If CV1 gives a big boost to the resolution and loses the screen door effect we'll be in heaven.

 

Also, I did the config setup for the distance between eyes, etc. and have noticed no eye strain. I do get some weird sensations when I see myself going up or down or doing a barrel roll and my body of course doesn't move. It's not nausea by any means. Maybe like a mild butterflies in your stomach sensation. That can linger a bit, but other than feeling a bit 'odd' it's no bother. It's not what I'd call unpleasant.

Edited November 6, 2014 by xaoslaad

[will-]

The butterflies, motion sickness is a added bonus!

 

Appreciate any tips given as this tech is great. And I'm only on day1. Im glad it will only get better from here. Very exciting.

 

For the eye sight adjustment in DCS I hope to find a resolve from that with some trial and error.

[Cyb0rg]

 

:D

[cichlidfan]

^^^ This is why there is no pressure on Oculus to improve resolution by huge margins (as needed for reading instrument panels).

[will-]

I wonder why there is no simple convergence method to fix this. Kind of like the old rear projection tv's. Aligning red,green,blue.

[xaoslaad]

I have read they do some stuff in Elite Dangerous software-wise to remove the issue. It's noticeable on the edges, due to the lenses. Maybe eventually it will become part of the SDK so devs don't have to compensate manually. Alien Isolation is a blast in the OR for sure.

Edited November 6, 2014 by xaoslaad

[will-]

ED(elite dangerous) has unreadable text also. The game looks amazing using OR. I imagine dcs will look even stellar with 2.0.

 

Have yet to try alien yet. Will try later after work. I'll presume alien works like ED and using the app mode instead of extending desktop.

 

Thanks for the much needed help.

[xaoslaad]

ED(elite dangerous) has unreadable text also. The game looks amazing using OR. I imagine dcs will look even stellar with 2.0.

 

Have yet to try alien yet. Will try later after work. I'll presume alien works like ED and using the app mode instead of extending desktop.

 

Thanks for the much needed help.

You need to set it extended but unlike DCS I experience no judder with it left as secondary monitor. The menu screens work with OR too so navigation of those is easier as well...

 

Google for setup instructions. You need to edit a line in an XML file and pause the OR service. It's all fairly easy.

[smirkza]

Ok, after installing the mod by PeterP I previously mentioned the HUD has become readable in the DK2, without being too cluttered.

 

I've attached one pic but it's easier to see in game than here.

 

Link to mod here -

 

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/374967/

 

Smirkza

[CookPassBabtridge]

I know its been asked several times and not been answered yet (well, after having Ctrl+F'd 100 pages of this thread for SLI anyway), but does DCS DK2 work with SLI?

 

I just built a new rig. My old one was a gaming laptop which was just plug and play, but I am struggling with getting DK2 working with my rig. The game works fine in SLI on a monitor, but my two Nvidia 980 GTX's just give me the black screen treatment in the DK2.

 

Is SLI meant to work, and I just need to fiddle about with it? I am getting really good frame rates with an OC'd 5820K and SLI cards on a monitor at all high settings so I cant wait to see what its like in the Rift, especially with DSR on. I've not tried single card yet.

 

Specs:

 

CPU: i7-5820K tried at various clocks

GPU: DUAL SLI EVGA 980 GTX SC ACX 2.0

RAM: 16GB Corsair Dominator DDR4 2666MHz

SSD: Samsung PRO 850 500 GB

Cooler: Corsair H105

PSU: 1000W Superflower Leadex Platinum

Edited November 7, 2014 by CookPassBabtridge

[xaoslaad]

I have SLI 970's and I don't take them out of SLI to use the Rift. What funky magic it' could be doing in the background I have no idea.

[xaoslaad]

Ok, after installing the mod by PeterP I previously mentioned the HUD has become readable in the DK2, without being too cluttered.

 

I've attached one pic but it's easier to see in game than here.

 

Link to mod here -

 

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/374967/

 

Smirkza

 

Do you find the S-25T HUD readable? Even with the large fonts it has by default I find it difficult to read.

[will-]

On Day 2. I moved the DK2 camera to the top of my monitor and wow what a difference! i can finally read the text with no eye strain. I did have the camera mounted further back per instructions (5ft away). Now it still has blurry image but readable text, now im only wondering what else can be done to further improve the image....

 

Have not yet tried peterP mod,

 

but currently is there a way to have have the zoom work in game? very hard to fly the a10c... may just need practice..

 

Is there also a way to change the zoom/head postion in game? a10c the seat looks 2ft away from the rear. (with trackir zoom would fix this.) also sometimes loading into the game the head position is off vertically.

 

thanks!

[smirkza]

On Day 2. I moved the DK2 camera to the top of my monitor and wow what a difference! i can finally read the text with no eye strain. I did have the camera mounted further back per instructions (5ft away). Now it still has blurry image but readable text, now im only wondering what else can be done to further improve the image....

 

Have not yet tried peterP mod,

 

but currently is there a way to have have the zoom work in game? very hard to fly the a10c... may just need practice..

 

Is there also a way to change the zoom/head postion in game? a10c the seat looks 2ft away from the rear. (with trackir zoom would fix this.) also sometimes loading into the game the head position is off vertically.

 

thanks!

 

Press numpad 5 (by default) to recenter camera view,

 

Smirkza

[CookPassBabtridge]

I have SLI 970's and I don't take them out of SLI to use the Rift. What funky magic it' could be doing in the background I have no idea.

 

Thank you good sir :) This means that my problem lies elsewhere. Hmmmmmm.