How to create a cold war enviornment .

[badger66]

Why dont all you 3rd party developers , hold a poll about the cold war ..... for example 1975 to 1995 .

 

Talking about F-4 , A-6 , F-16A , F-15A , Mig-29A , Su-17/22 , A-10A , Jaguar , Mirage III , Mirage F1 , Mirage 5 , Harrier GR3 ,SU-25 , Buccaneer , Thunderchief F-105 , Mig-27 , SU-15 , F-5 , Tornado , A-7 , Draken , Starfighter , Mig-23 , F-111 , Mig-19 , F-18A , Tomcat , SU-27 , Lightning F6 , EA-6B , RF-4C with a european theatre map .

 

Albania,Bulgaria,East Germany,West Germany,Great Britain,France,Russia,Czecheslovakia,Belguim,Nederlands,Italy,Hungary,Poland,,America,Canada,Denmark,Norway,Romania,Spain,Greece,Portugal,Turkey, sure ive missed some !!!

 

The war that never happened ..... a simple poll could reveal massive interest in this era ..... possibily easier to gain correct info on decommisioned airplanes .

 

We could fight out the cold war with planes that require technical challange , instead of everything is done for you .....e.g. F-22 !!!

 

This is my personal vision ..... plenty of airbases ..... plenty of aircraft , plenty of national liveries ..... plenty of terrain ..... realistic and plenty of history too !!!

 

No harm in a poll ...... lots of us are older and would love to see such a wargame .....

 

This theatre , would certainly be of interest , involving numerous countries , as is already represented by the people who already play these sims .

 

For me ..... everyone is lamenting Bezcl and his 21 , and his 23 to follow ..... why not add to this and create "the biggest war that never happened" !!!

 

Just a thought , imo .

Edited September 29, 2012 by badger66

[Cobra847]

Why dont all you 3rd party developers , hold a poll about the cold war ..... for example 1975 to 1995 .

 

Talking about F-4 , A-6 , F-16A , F-15A , Mig-29A , Su-17/22 , A-10A , Jaguar , Mirage III , Mirage F1 , Mirage 5 , Harrier GR3 ,SU-25 , Buccaneer , Thunderchief F-105 , Mig-27 , SU-15 , F-5 , Tornado , A-7 , Draken , Starfighter , Mig-23 , F-111 , Mig-19 , F-18A , Tomcat , SU-27 , Lightning F6 , EA-6B , RF-4C with a european theatre map .

 

Albania,Bulgaria,East Germany,West Germany,Great Britain,France,Russia,Czecheslovakia,Belguim,Nederlands,Italy,Hungary,Poland,,America,Canada,Denmark,Norway,Romania,Spain,Greece,Portugal,Turkey, sure ive missed some !!!

 

The war that never happened ..... a simple poll could reveal massive interest in this era ..... possibily easier to gain correct info on decommisioned airplanes .

 

We could fight out the cold war with planes that require technical challange , instead of everything is done for you .....e.g. F-22 !!!

 

This is my personal vision ..... plenty of airbases ..... plenty of aircraft , plenty of national liveries ..... plenty of terrain ..... realistic and plenty of history too !!!

 

No harm in a poll ...... lots of us are older and would love to see such a wargame .....

 

This theatre , would certainly be of interest , involving numerous countries , as is already represented by the people who already play these sims .

 

For me ..... everyone is lamenting Bezcl and his 21 , and his 23 to follow ..... why not add to this and create "the biggest war that never happened" !!!

 

Just a thought , imo .

 

There are aircraft in development (both announced & unannounced) which meet your criteria.

 

I, personally, love earlier era jets-- but you must remember that while they're earlier, they're no less complex or easier to develop than their modern counterparts.

 

Look to the near future to see some new announcements that will probably make you happy. :)

[Buzpilot]

I don't understand, a no combat era in DCS? Dynamic Combat Simulator.

[BIGNEWY]

more than anything I want a larger area to fly in, I want to feel like I really do need to use that air refuelling tanker lol

 

I would go for any scenario that gets me out of Georgia and flying cold war would be a great start :)

[msalama]

I don't understand, a no combat era in DCS? Dynamic Combat Simulator.

 

Ahem, it's actually called Digital Combat Simulator ;) And what's wrong with the Cold War era anyway? Would love to see some missions / scenarios myself where said war turns HOT, and that's kinda hard to do if you don't have the goodies...

[Haggart]

Sure, it IS a great idea. But think of the implications! Europe, modeled in DCS acurracy? Even if you would just like to model the most significant landmarks and fill the rest with autogen, you would need something around 10-20 years. If you look at the time the nevada project took ED (and thats mostly desert!), you could calculate around... 50+ years?

 

We could dream of such an enviroment. But why don't shrink it a bit to something perhaps achievable? Take germany. Every level 3 scenario in the SIOPS included a major NN-war taking place between the Elbe and the Rhine. You could even go on and model real world scenarys thought through in US- and USSR-war plans, and germany is relativly small.

But a problem is still: high urban density which would need to be modeled at least to a good portion, and many small airports (which are capable for helicopters, STOL transporters or even small fighter aircraft like the Mig29). The only thing I could imagine would be a Framework which models the terrain accuratly, and then a common repository to which everyone could commit urban modeling.

[MemphisBelle]

Sure, it IS a great idea. But think of the implications! Europe, modeled in DCS acurracy? Even if you would just like to model the most significant landmarks and fill the rest with autogen, you would need something around 10-20 years. If you look at the time the nevada project took ED (and thats mostly desert!), you could calculate around... 50+ years?

 

Dont forget that ED has implented a very new engine and Grafic system to the new map (EDGE). Once the development of that System is finally done and a focus rests on the map development itself, so new maps will get available quite more faster than today.

 

according to the thread, I´d love such an idea. And as RAZBAM-Cobra already stated so some of these flying gems are to be expected in the near future as well...folks, we are moving towards interesting times...

[badger66]

There are aircraft in development (both announced & unannounced) which meet your criteria.

 

I, personally, love earlier era jets-- but you must remember that while they're earlier, they're no less complex or easier to develop than their modern counterparts.

 

Look to the near future to see some new announcements that will probably make you happy. :)

 

Oohhh ..... that sounds good enough for me . Thank you :)

[badger66]

but you must remember that while they're earlier, they're no less complex or easier to develop than their modern counterparts. :)

 

No no , I didnt mean to imply that was the case . What I ment was that the tech info is probably more readily available , unclassified .

[Bricks]

I don't understand, a no combat era in DCS? Dynamic Combat Simulator.

 

Was there ever an era without combat?

[Haggart]

Was there ever an era without combat?

 

Is the pen mightier then the sword...? (And no, no pun over automatic weapons coming on)

 

I don't see, how the integration of new display effects improve the development speed of terrain development...? What is missing is an terrain sdk ;) but as I dont see this anytime coming, we're doomed to Georgia...

[Cedaway]

European Map, with DCS world class of detail???

Ok, studios can begin now and let's see us toghether in 2 to 5 years...

Nevada map, a desert map, took (and still under developpement) more than 2 years... So can you imagine the effort and ressources to put into an european map project? Sounds like impossible.

[Pyroflash]

Is the pen mightier then the sword...? (And no, no pun over automatic weapons coming on)

 

I don't see, how the integration of new display effects improve the development speed of terrain development...? What is missing is an terrain sdk ;) but as I dont see this anytime coming, we're doomed to Georgia...

 

There is no need for a terrain SDK. Nevada itself was not an ED project until they adopted it after the people making it stopped. It is entirely possible to create new terrain for DCS using current tools, however not many people have attempted to undertake this challenge.

 

Also, we currently have no idea where Nevada stands on ED's development queue. I would guess that it is pretty low at any rate, because I recall the entire project being shelved for the better part of a year before just recently being revived. So in all reality, work on Nevada has only really lasted a little over a year :thumbup: (As an ED project. I realize that as a whole, the Nevada project has lasted for a lot longer than that, but since it was redone from scratch since beta by ED, well..)

Edited September 29, 2012 by Pyroflash

[Ripcord]

There is no need for a terrain SDK. Nevada itself was not an ED project until they adopted it after the people making it stopped. It is entirely possible to create new terrain for DCS using current tools, however not many people have attempted to undertake this challenge.

 

Also, we currently have no idea where Nevada stands on ED's development queue. I would guess that it is pretty low at any rate, because I recall the entire project being shelved for the better part of a year before just recently being revived. So in all reality, work on Nevada has only really lasted a little over a year :thumbup: (As an ED project. I realize that as a whole, the Nevada project has lasted for a lot longer than that, but since it was redone from scratch since beta by ED, well..)

 

Agreed - they are clearly making it a priority to get everything they already have working in ONE WORLD, and like it or not, that world is going to be Eastern Black Sea region. They do this first, and later we will see - maybe the priorities will change?

 

So we know that the Nevada project has started and stopped and restarted -- no doubt this a huge part of the delay but there are possibly other technology issues as well -- they keep updating this unified DCS WORLD and so who knows, perhaps that impacts the development of this new terrain?

 

MAYBE (crazy theory here) part of the long delay in NEVADA is some form of standartization that will enable ED or a third party GOING FORWARD to generate these terrains much more easily and seamlessly. Maybe this EDGE technology is a central part of this effort?

 

Regardless, we simply cannot just assume that new terrain development is always going to continue at the same pace as now. Now is about laying the groundwork (I hope).

[genbrien]

I don't understand, a no combat era in DCS? Dynamic Combat Simulator.

 

I'm pretty sure the point was '' if there was a WW3 in the cold war era'' ..... :music_whistling:

[Darkwolf]

+1 for cold war, especially early era.

Regarding the map - I'm surely about to get executed by crowd of DCS players .... but i would love to see ED stopping nevada and reallocating his power on a noob friendly map editor. That would allow more maps to be released.

[Mt5_Roie]

I think were missing the point of the thread in a way. Yes we get it would take a lot to get Europe into DCS. But the question was is there interest in it.

 

I think any place away from our current flying location would be great. I think Europe would be an incredible location to fly in. Plus creating a war that was never actually fought would be cool. We could see which side would have trully dominated.

 

Now if you take the time it takes to create flying space, I think another great location would be the Middle East. Between Israel, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria - you got a nice war torn area that is relativlely small.

[JABO2009]

I basically like the idea of having a cold war scenario, but not a fictional war for god sake? why do some ask for European theatre here? would be nearly impossible to create such ar large map and it wouldnt make any sense either ! cold war never broke out over europe ! (beside some Tupolev Bear intercepts and other small incidents)

 

real cold war aerial battles appeared in Indochina/; India/Pakistan; Korea; Vietnam and the middle east

 

So simulating dogfights over these border regions would make far more sense....

 

I personally would go for the KOREAN theatre..

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post%E2%80%93World_War_II_air-to-air_combat_losses

 

 

 

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Edited October 17, 2012 by JABO2009

[badger66]

+1 for cold war, especially early era.

Regarding the map - I'm surely about to get executed by crowd of DCS players .... but i would love to see ED stopping nevada and reallocating his power on a noob friendly map editor. That would allow more maps to be released.

 

Yep +1

[badger66]

I basically like the idea of having a cold war scenario, but not a fictional war for god sake?

 

What , ya mean a real one !!! :D

 

German/Polish/Czech border would be enough . A lot of the "A" models we fly today , were present at the end of the cold war ..... tremendous potential . Just look at the way the vote went , 56-1 says it all for me .

Edited October 17, 2012 by badger66

[SkateZilla]

Da Cool Simulator.

 

 

As stated, most of those platforms are being worked on, both announced and unannounced,

 

the problem is terrain, until EDGE is done and opened to 3rd parties, there are Zero Maps in the Pipeline by 3rd parties.

[JABO2009]

What , ya mean a real one !!! :D

 

German/Polish/Czech border would be enough . A lot of the "A" models we fly today , were present at the end of the cold war ..... tremendous potential . Just look at the way the vote went , 56-1 says it all for me .

 

but thats the point, what exactly happended at the german / polish border except GDR/Soviet military training and parades? NOTHING !

 

I dont wanna simulate aerial dogfights that "could have been fought"

 

-> I want a Korean border map to simulate dogfights that HAVE BEEN fought !

[badger66]

but thats the point, what exactly happended at the german / polish border except GDR/Soviet military training and parades? NOTHING !

 

I dont wanna simulate aerial dogfights that "could have been fought"

 

-> I want a Korean border map to simulate dogfights that HAVE BEEN fought !

 

Since when did A-10's operate in or around Gerogia against Russia ?

 

We have to have an element of imagination .....

 

Now , realisticaly , what is North Korea going to throw at the South and America , assuming China doesnt get involved ?

 

A few 27 and 29 ..... and heaps of 19 , 21 ..... woopeedoo !!!

[badger66]

Da Cool Simulator.

 

 

As stated, most of those platforms are being worked on, both announced and unannounced,

 

the problem is terrain, until EDGE is done and opened to 3rd parties, there are Zero Maps in the Pipeline by 3rd parties.

 

Hopefully that will come along in time too .

[Teapot]

I can't believe I missed this thread!

Yes of course we need Cold War Era.