Fw-190D9 Discussion

[msalama]

What sort of "goodies" did the D-9 install?

 

F.ex. a water-cooled inverted V-12 engine with a 50%-50% ethanol-water injection system instead of the radial used in the earlier models, etc. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Fw_190#Fw_190D-9 for further info.

[Suchacz]

I heard some rumors, that Fw-190 D-9/R11 has some flight stabilisation system (PKS 12 with FuG 125 Hermine) and some fancy sights (TSA 2D) installed... :music_whistling:

 

Can someone provide to me (us) some more info about it?

Edited March 22, 2013 by Suchacz

[speckfire]

Didn't the D-9er have a hotas system and a round indicator?

[Nate--IRL--]

I heard some rumors, that it has some flight stabilisation system and some fancy sights installed... :music_whistling:

 

No to the fancy sights, there is a bar in the way.......

 

Nate

[NineLine]

http://www.fw190d-9.com/Fw190D-9_panel1.htm

[Krupi]

Please tell me they have added the centre bomb rack and ZSK 244 bomb panel, Don't make me beg :cry:

[NineLine]

Please tell me they have added the centre bomb rack and ZSK 244 bomb panel, Don't make me beg :cry:

 

Its early in development, so I dont know much, but if you gauge it by the details of the P-51D, I am sure everyone will be pretty happy...

 

It looks like the D-9 only ever carried one SC500, well and there was wing mounted mortar/rockets, but it sounds like that system wasnt used much if at all, I think I did find and send the manual on that system Yo-Yo's way...

[Kwiatek]

Well for starters... just how long is too long when you start injecting Methanol ;)

 

D-9 had 2 systems:

 

Some had methanol injection - MW50 - 2100 PS ( 1.8 Ata)

 

Some had 1900 PS modification ( 1,7 Ata)

 

" Standard production planes had either �Erhöhte Notleistung� or �MW-50� available, not both."

 

" [...]In September 1944 an equipment kit was installed which raised boost pressure and increased the Jumo 213 A's emergency output from 1,750 to 1,900 h.p. The installation was carried out on-site by Junker's Tecnical Field Service (TAM). This increased emergency power could be used at altitudes to 5000 meters. At the same time, use of takeoff power (1,750 h.p.) was extended to 30 min., while authorization was given to use combat power (1,620 h.p.) without restriction. "

 

 

It would be nice to have both version :)

[NineLine]

D-9 had 2 systems:

 

Some had methanol injection - MW50 - 2100 PS ( 1.8 Ata)

 

Some had 1900 PS modification ( 1,7 Ata)

 

" Standard production planes had either �Erhöhte Notleistung� or �MW-50� available, not both."

 

" [...]In September 1944 an equipment kit was installed which raised boost pressure and increased the Jumo 213 A's emergency output from 1,750 to 1,900 h.p. The installation was carried out on-site by Junker's Tecnical Field Service (TAM). This increased emergency power could be used at altitudes to 5000 meters. At the same time, use of takeoff power (1,750 h.p.) was extended to 30 min., while authorization was given to use combat power (1,620 h.p.) without restriction. "

 

 

It would be nice to have both version :)

 

 

SOunds like the second thing you mention appears to have only been a fix in the field until the planes could be fitted with the MW50, so I dont know that it would be worthy of being modeled, not to mention if there is good documentation on it either...

[Kwiatek]

SOunds like the second thing you mention appears to have only been a fix in the field until the planes could be fitted with the MW50, so I dont know that it would be worthy of being modeled, not to mention if there is good documentation on it either...

 

Probably it was initialy field mod instalation but i think later planes had these system in standart or were equimplent with MW 50 instalation. So i think there were operational both version - with 1900 PS modification and MW50.

 

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The Junkers technical field service visited III./JG 54 monthly. In October the number of Fw 190 D-9s on strength with the Gruppe rose to 68. Of these, 53 had been converted to 1,900 h.p. and one was delivered by Focke-Wulf with the MW 50 system. The remaining 14 were in the process of being converted and completion was imminent.

[...]In its November report, Junkers noted that all the aircraft of the three new Gruppe were being converted to 1,900 h.p. and that the work was significantly more difficult at frontline airfields where there were no hangers.

By the end of December 1944 there were 183 Fw 190's in operation with the increased performance modification, and 60 more had been delivered with the MW 50 system and were at the point of entering service. *

* Dietmar Hermann, Focke-Wulf Fw 190 "Long Nose", (Schiffer, Atglen, PA, 2003)"

 

I got some German scan charts with both system used in D-9.

Edited March 22, 2013 by Kwiatek

[NineLine]

Probably it was initialy field mod instalation but i think later planes had these system in standart or were equimplent with MW 50 instalation. So i think there were operational both version - with 1900 PS modification and MW50.

 

"

The Junkers technical field service visited III./JG 54 monthly. In October the number of Fw 190 D-9s on strength with the Gruppe rose to 68. Of these, 53 had been converted to 1,900 h.p. and one was delivered by Focke-Wulf with the MW 50 system. The remaining 14 were in the process of being converted and completion was imminent.

[...]In its November report, Junkers noted that all the aircraft of the three new Gruppe were being converted to 1,900 h.p. and that the work was significantly more difficult at frontline airfields where there were no hangers.

By the end of December 1944 there were 183 Fw 190's in operation with the increased performance modification, and 60 more had been delivered with the MW 50 system and were at the point of entering service. *

* Dietmar Hermann, Focke-Wulf Fw 190 "Long Nose", (Schiffer, Atglen, PA, 2003)"

 

I got some German scan charts with both system used in D-9.

 

I imagine it will depend on documentation available for both systems, if you have documentation you should link it here. It may be something Yo-Yo doesnt have.

[Kwiatek]

I will contact with Yo-Yo and send him my charts if he would need it :)

[NineLine]

I will contact with Yo-Yo and send him my charts if he would need it :)

 

Perfect :)

[Krupi]

Let the race begin... Click the image :thumbup:

 

[sobek]

What sort of "goodies" did the D-9 install? I'm curious about that.

 

The engine control unit (it's a combination of several mechanical controllers) is a work of art on its own. In flight, engine power can be controlled with one lever, everything else is done by the automatic controllers.

[SimFreak]

What aiming system did it have? Was it anything like a pony?

[Krupi]

What aiming system did it have? Was it anything like a pony?

 

The luftwaffe did have a system IIRC that was based on the allied one, it was significantly better "supposedly" but did not see much use...

 

I will dig up the info I read, but I am not sure how accurate it is.

 

EZ 42

 

 

 

http://www.albentley-drawings.com/gun_sights.htm

 

Looks like it was not in many aircraft :(

 

 

Hmmm maybe that website is not 100% accurate!

 

Edited March 22, 2013 by Krupi

[SimFreak]

So normal was just a reflective site?

[Foul Ole Ron]

The normal was the reflective sight Revi 16B:

 

http://www.fw190d-9.com/Fw190D-9_panel1.htm

 

According to Fritz Hahn there was about 200 EZ-42 gyro sights put into FW190s and ME-262s. Allied tests found that it was superior to their computing sights. Would think that the DCS version probably should have the Revi 16B sight though if we're talking the common match-up that would have occurred.

[SimFreak]

Looks like 190 is in next patch as AI only. Time to bump up this thread

[NRG-Vampire]

Looks like 190 is in next patch as AI only. Time to bump up this thread

 

i concur

and we need screenshots too :D

 

Matt-Wags please post some :thumbup:

[NineLine]

i concur

and we need screenshots too :D

 

Matt-Wags please post some :thumbup:

 

Why not wait a little longer and make your own ;)

[NRG-Vampire]

Why not wait a little longer and make your own ;)

 

To wait, or not to wait, that is the question :D

you know that is eternal: how long/when ? :devil_2:

[SimHog]

I can't wait to fly it. I hope it's going to be modeled as good as the Pony.

[nick10]

Hopefully the AI is realistically modelled.

 

Getting rather tired of being repeatedly shot down by the AI P-51. The pilot seems immune to all g-forces.